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Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 569	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote I'm f--king sick of them. At least bricked proto slayer logis fatten my wallet and require lots of SP... it seems like every random blue/redberry is running around in a militia heavy frame with a RR. That is all.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 130	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:58:00 - [2] - Quote Templar sentinel and a scrambler rifle. Behold the magic headshot while I burn half a mag in a second. Closed Beta Veteran Founding CEO of Dead Six Initiative/Lokun Listamenn Lokun i Gangi, Mercenaries. Recruitment is OPEN
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5112	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:58:00 - [3] - Quote Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1465	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:02:00 - [4] - Quote I agree been running my alt with less than 2 million SP and it is as aggravating as a militia tank. I use my alt to see what others go through when they are just starting in this game and I cant believe we have retained so many new players with the crap that is going on. Do not blame the suit or the weapon, blame the scrub players that use cheap tactics to substitute their poor gun game. I run a starter fit with a basic RR due to lack of SP or starter fit with SG BPO. A heavy before 1.8
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1281	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:02:00 - [5] - Quote Tanks. 100x worse.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3209	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:52:00 - [6] - Quote So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 570	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:02:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. I didn't say I've been losing to them. I've killed them far, far more times than they've killed me. It's still the most annoying low SP / low ISK fit out there.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 664	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:04:00 - [8] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. I dont know if I agree or not but lets look at the facts... Commando is more expensive, At standard level (There is no militia commando) has no slots to fit armour reps or damage mods It has the benefit of 2 light weapons but at the huge cost of loss of grenades as well as **** poor health regeneration ability. When you look at it, no wonder people rarely use commandos and instead go for heavy suits with light weapons. Actually the more I think about it the more I do actually think heavy suits should be limited to heavy weapons and sidearms. (Unless CCP gets their act together and starts balancing things) Lets be honest guys this game is probably one of the least balanced games I have ever played in my 20+ years playing computer games since I was a young child.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3209	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:08:00 - [9] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. I didn't say I've been losing to them. I've killed them far, far more times than they've killed me. It's still the most annoying low SP / low ISK fit out there. I didn't say that you were. What I am saying is this: It's funny to kill them since they basically have a stacked HP suit with a rifle that can drop you quickly, yet when outsmarted, the joke is more or less on them. So they don't annoy me. Just my two ISK Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9171	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:09:00 - [10] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. As much as I hate RR+heavy combo, I strongly disagree. Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it". The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. The RR heavy issue is really a product of the RR's poor balancing, not the heavy's ability to use light weapon. Basic heavies and sentinels should not be nerfed because there are problems with one weapon. Also, it would be extremely unfair to restrict a suit to only 2 primary weapons (only 4 in the foreseeable future; the Gallente and Amarr one are coming at some point). Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1623	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:13:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. As much as I hate RR+heavy combo, I strongly disagree. Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it". The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. The RR heavy issue is really a product of the RR's poor balancing, not the heavy's ability to use light weapon. Basic heavies and sentinels should not be nerfed because there are problems with one weapon. Also, it would be extremely unfair to restrict a suit to only 2 primary weapons (only 4 in the foreseeable future; the Gallente and Amarr one are coming at some point). Heavy sniper is a scrub though. Forge Gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charge Sniper Rifle, it is the Heavy Sniper Rifle. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 861	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:18:00 - [12] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Heavy sniper is a scrub though. Forge Gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charge Sniper Rifle, it is the Heavy Sniper Rifle. Would that make my Heavy Thales fit double scrub? Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1624	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:19:00 - [13] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Heavy sniper is a scrub though. Forge Gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charge Sniper Rifle, it is the Heavy Sniper Rifle. Would that make my Heavy Thales fit double scrub? Not if the Thales is a Forge Gun Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4899	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:21:00 - [14] - Quote Even a half-brained/half-organized team can win with the Holy Trinity of Dust 514: Heavy with an HMG (CQC/some mid-range) Anything with a Rail Rifle (Everything) Logistics with Nanohives/Drop Uplinks (Fast deployment/resupply anywhere) Congrats. By reading this you are fully prepared to win this game no matter what gets thrown at you. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 217	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:21:00 - [15] - Quote I'm seeing a lot more of them ever since the update was confirmed for mid-March, and yeah, it's a problem, but only on certain maps. Out in the open they're only marginally more effective than a heavy running a HMG, but the ones that run a Kala rr can be real nasty. The issue is that their light weapon is just as effective as yours is but they're packing almost three times the EHP of a standard assault fit, so in a straight up fight you better be damned good at dodgeing bullets for an extended period of time if you want to come out of that th victor. Which is totally doable, of course. But when sentinels get those passive resists come patch day...ow. They will dominate mid to close range, and hold their own in CQC too by sheer dint of how tough they'll be. Between the invisibility of scouts and the hardening of heavies, I can see assault suits feeling the squeeze pretty bad. But well see. As noted above, tank spam is a bigger problem. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4899	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:24:00 - [16] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. As much as I hate RR+heavy combo, I strongly disagree. Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it". The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. The RR heavy issue is really a product of the RR's poor balancing, not the heavy's ability to use light weapon. Basic heavies and sentinels should not be nerfed because there are problems with one weapon. Also, it would be extremely unfair to restrict a suit to only 2 primary weapons (only 4 in the foreseeable future; the Gallente and Amarr one are coming at some point). Big problem with the Heavy, right now, is that it's the most up-to-date as far as balancing. There are some suits that have needed a re-balance since the game first came out that have not received it (Gallente Assault with a shield bonus, point-in-case). Sure, the Heavy is perfectly balanced... in a game that has a thousand other imbalances. It's not just the weapon, it's the opposition as well and it's important to remember that. Remember, it's not about what the person is saying - it's about why they're saying it. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4191	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:30:00 - [17] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. No. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1634	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:31:00 - [18] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. That is boring. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 446	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:32:00 - [19] - Quote Even worse is when they run around in a LAV. Almost as annoying as the murder taxis of old.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1634	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:33:00 - [20] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. As much as I hate RR+heavy combo, I strongly disagree. Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it". The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. The RR heavy issue is really a product of the RR's poor balancing, not the heavy's ability to use light weapon. Basic heavies and sentinels should not be nerfed because there are problems with one weapon. Also, it would be extremely unfair to restrict a suit to only 2 primary weapons (only 4 in the foreseeable future; the Gallente and Amarr one are coming at some point). 100% agree, I have a LR on a fat suit and I love it. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson

Debacle Nano BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:38:00 - [21] - Quote Is this a thing? Gonna try it out now. Glad still have my "Skinweave" heavy to make things cheaper. Closed beta anyone?
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 572	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:39:00 - [22] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Is this a thing? Gonna try it out now. Glad still have my "Skinweave" heavy to make things cheaper. ;_; now I regret posting.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5122	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:42:00 - [23] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. No. ok > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5122	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:46:00 - [24] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. That is boring. ok > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 175	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:16:00 - [25] - Quote I just came up with a solution that I think everybody would agree would at least help... Heavies have bigger hands right; so add a reload speed reduction that is large enough to make it something to think about especially in close quarters. So when replacing a Heavy weapon with a Light or sidearm you get some kind of "nerf" to that weapon. Just a suggestion, somebody else can come up with the rest of it. *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
Alpha 443-6732 342	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:39:00 - [26] - Quote dont you think the reason they would consider using a rifle over a heavy weapon is the fact that their only heavy anti personal weapon IS A GLORIFIED SHOTGUN? you ***** morons should never be in charge of balance. why should a heavy suit be limited to heavy weapons only, thus putting a ** band aid on the situation? this ridiculous kind of thinking has lead to the magically disappearing bullets we have now, people complaining that enemies who won't fist fight them are pussies, infantry AV being either OP or useless, etc. MORE MECHANICS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. a heavy sacrifices mobility, ewar and equipment to field the best defence and offence, yet moves like a snail and jumps like a cripple. logically, a heavy weapon should overall be the best weapon in its role. yet, i hear people stating that its role of point defence means that it is acceptable to have poor heavy weapons, which is mind numbingly simple minded to say. a heavy should be relegated to point defence because it is its most effective role, NOT ITS ONLY ROLE. if heavies become OP, nerf their speed before anything else, because it won't completely cripple them as a class, less than nerfing their ideal weapons. ALL WEAPONS SHOULD BE BALANCED AROUND RIFLES. When a light minmatar AR outperforms a minmatar HMG, SOMETHING IS CLEARLY WRONG. The LR should have range similiar or greater than the RR. The shotgun should scare people as it did in chromosome. The MD should have consistent but low single target dps, enough to suppress and engage groups but not enough to be used as a shotgun. The sniper rifle should outrange all weapons, have much higher dps potential but have drawbacks like naturally ineffective hipfire dps due to recoil and slight bullet drop and leading requirements at extreme ranges. RENDERING AND WEAPONS HAVING RANGE ARE ESSENTIAL FOR BALANCE**. want cover and patience to be useful? want thinking and strategy rewarded? want to counter the big mean heavy shooting his big pew pew gun? guns having range more than 50m makes running out in the open suddenly a danger, the heavy a huge target to be molested from unknown places, the tank to be chewed at from shadows darting from bush to bush (or crate to crate). A targets ability to retaliate is severely reduced when being attacked from unknown places and they deserve it, since they had the nerve to give in to the lust for WP and leave the safe haven of nearby cover. tl;dr stop putting band aids on something that needs stitches and medicine, the heavies use RRs because their hmg is a gimmick and way too niche to be any more than a glorified shotgun here's a thought, how would you feel if sidearms were better than light weapons? oh right, remember what happened to the flaylock pistol?
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1634	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:52:00 - [27] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. That is boring. ok Sorry, let me redo. Removing the light weapon from the heavy suit wouldn't offer as much diversity as if we let them keep it. Giving up something to get another is what makes it great. Yeah he might be a huge pool of HP but he moves like it to so pick when and how to fight as often as possible and try to be in a squad. Limiting any modules, equipment or weapons by suit size isn't as fun as letting people build the suit they want. To the people wanting a forge on a scout, yes you can if you can find the resources and there is a movement penalty. I say let them. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3114	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:44:00 - [28] - Quote Mediums are for attack, heavies for defence. What's the problem here? Are you just annoyed that you spent your SP on a medium suit when you realise you'd have preferred a heavy? No.
iTbagyou Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:21:00 - [29] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. Since heavies can use light weapons. Id like my brick tanked gal logi to carry a boundless hmg. Slap down some wyrikomi triages and have fun. Only "fairlol" way to have it. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 46	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:28:00 - [30] - Quote I have started to agree with the 'You just suck at it crowd' Take a light suit w a cr or a sg. Run around the heavy in circles while you kill him and laugh the whole time. If he kills you, just spawn from the uplink you just dropped and.... Wait, you didn't plan ahead and put down an uplink? YOU SUCK!

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:30:00 - [31] - Quote Wow a bunch if veterans complaing about the noobs doing everything they can to survive against proto/high sp players You al just look dumb conplaning about this. New player = low sp= low isk = doing what it takes to survive = kills a vet = make vet cry = vet buthurt = noob happy War never changes
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1445	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:42:00 - [32] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I'm f--king sick of them. At least bricked proto slayer logis fatten my wallet and require lots of SP... it seems like every random blue/redberry is running around in a militia heavy frame with a RR. That is all. funny thing is I tried it and I suck balls, too expensive to be that slow unless you're being repped or in a squad. mlt heavy frame? I need to hop back on this account and see if I can get my ADV sentinel! now that's how you act like a heavy rail rifle scrub! with 3 plates! DUST VIDEOS
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:53:00 - [33] - Quote iTbagyou wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. Since heavies can use light weapons. Id like my brick tanked gal logi to carry a boundless hmg. Slap down some wyrikomi triages and have fun. Only "fairlol" way to have it. I'm all for heavy weapons on lighter frames. A heavy weapon would take up a light and a sidearm slot on a medium suit and get increased CPU/PG requirements. On a light suit it would also get increased recoil and extremely slow reload speed.
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 224	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:53:00 - [34] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Wow a bunch if veterans complaing about the noobs doing everything they can to survive against proto/high sp players You al just look dumb conplaning about this. New player = low sp= low isk = doing what it takes to survive = kills a vet = make vet cry = vet buthurt = noob happy Actually, I never considered it from that angle. Fair point. I'd do it too if I was a new player. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 10	Posted - 2014.02.15 12:40:00 - [35] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Wow a bunch if veterans complaing about the noobs doing everything they can to survive against proto/high sp players You al just look dumb conplaning about this. New player = low sp= low isk = doing what it takes to survive = kills a vet = make vet cry = vet buthurt = noob happy HAha +1 That makes question is he really a vet if he cannot kill them. There is only few really good proto heavy light weapon users. All the rest just try to adapt. Heavy dropsuit isn't designed for light weapon. It's fuckin slow people with poor scanning and NO EQUIPMENT. Use that knowledge next time. Any stupid flux + weapon with +10~20% more dmg against armor will kill him. Or go with dempners and sneak behind him with anything You want. RE are fun. Somebody told me that flux + nova knives is even more fun. I don't mind if Heavies are using light weapons during this stage of the game. When all heavy weapons arrive we can discuss it later. And it is really good idea to make commando only heavy type who can use light weapons but... There will be time for this. Now let them use it.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1245	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:31:00 - [36] - Quote Best tactic for new players TBH. If I just started to play dust, I would run militia amarr heavy with rifles to counter all the protostompers. Also militia rail tank to counter other tanks. Its either do that or get f-¦d in the A. Drop it like its hat.
Sgt Buttscratch lcritMYpantS 1654	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:01:00 - [37] - Quote For now we have to accept it due to the fact CCP have not added a heavy weapon in over a year. But when they do have choice I think then it should be blocked. Narbs will tell you that its "boring" or that it removes dusts customization and diversity, these people are mistaken, everyone using a RR/CR/AR/SCR is boring, that isn't diverse. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 194	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:08:00 - [38] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: I just came up with a solution that I think everybody would agree would at least help... Heavies have bigger hands right; so add a reload speed reduction that is large enough to make it something to think about especially in close quarters. So when replacing a Heavy weapon with a Light or sidearm you get some kind of "nerf" to that weapon. Just a suggestion, somebody else can come up with the rest of it. we also have a larger surface area than other frames. so give us three times the passive scanning precision as a scout.
iTbagyou Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:43:00 - [39] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Wow a bunch if veterans complaing about the noobs doing everything they can to survive against proto/high sp players You al just look dumb conplaning about this. New player = low sp= low isk = doing what it takes to survive = kills a vet = make vet cry = vet buthurt = noob happy HAha +1 That makes question is he really a vet if he cannot kill them. There is only few really good proto heavy light weapon users. All the rest just try to adapt. Heavy dropsuit isn't designed for light weapon. It's fuckin slow people with poor scanning and NO EQUIPMENT. Use that knowledge next time. Any stupid flux + weapon with +10~20% more dmg against armor will kill him. Or go with dempners and sneak behind him with anything You want. RE are fun. Somebody told me that flux + nova knives is even more fun. I don't mind if Heavies are using light weapons during this stage of the game. When all heavy weapons arrive we can discuss it later. And it is really good idea to make commando only heavy type who can use light weapons but... There will be time for this. Now let them use it. when the hmg was trash, I didnt see an issue with it. However, the hmg is no longer trash. Heavies carry heavy weapons. Medium and light frame carry light weapons. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:52:00 - [40] - Quote I'm a heavy that uses a RR, but your worries will be gone when 1.8 comes out. The RR is getting nerfed. I hate to say it, but I guess it's for the best. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 593	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:57:00 - [41] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Wow a bunch if veterans complaing about the noobs doing everything they can to survive against proto/high sp players You al just look dumb conplaning about this. New player = low sp= low isk = doing what it takes to survive = kills a vet = make vet cry = vet buthurt = noob happy HAha +1 That makes question is he really a vet if he cannot kill them. There is only few really good proto heavy light weapon users. All the rest just try to adapt. Heavy dropsuit isn't designed for light weapon. It's fuckin slow people with poor scanning and NO EQUIPMENT. Use that knowledge next time. Any stupid flux + weapon with +10~20% more dmg against armor will kill him. Or go with dempners and sneak behind him with anything You want. RE are fun. Somebody told me that flux + nova knives is even more fun. I don't mind if Heavies are using light weapons during this stage of the game. When all heavy weapons arrive we can discuss it later. And it is really good idea to make commando only heavy type who can use light weapons but... There will be time for this. Now let them use it. Again, I never said I was losing to them, and for the record, I don't have any prototype suits. I just think RR heavies are indicative of Dust's balance / fitting-metagame problems. Everyone is flocking to high EHP, high range, high damage. I posted this topic after spending all evening running around with a CR in my STD scout BPO and going K/D and ISK positive every match. The vast majority of people aren't moving around the map or flanking or generally trying to play in an interesting manner, they'd rather waddle around with a rail rifle in a blob, and that's what's annoying to me. I 100% understand why they're doing it, and I'm not crass enough to suggest that they should stop or shouldn't be able to, but I still hate it.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1898	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:02:00 - [42] - Quote What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:03:00 - [43] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Wow a bunch if veterans complaing about the noobs doing everything they can to survive against proto/high sp players You al just look dumb conplaning about this. New player = low sp= low isk = doing what it takes to survive = kills a vet = make vet cry = vet buthurt = noob happy HAha +1 That makes question is he really a vet if he cannot kill them. There is only few really good proto heavy light weapon users. All the rest just try to adapt. Heavy dropsuit isn't designed for light weapon. It's fuckin slow people with poor scanning and NO EQUIPMENT. Use that knowledge next time. Any stupid flux + weapon with +10~20% more dmg against armor will kill him. Or go with dempners and sneak behind him with anything You want. RE are fun. Somebody told me that flux + nova knives is even more fun. I don't mind if Heavies are using light weapons during this stage of the game. When all heavy weapons arrive we can discuss it later. And it is really good idea to make commando only heavy type who can use light weapons but... There will be time for this. Now let them use it. Again, I never said I was losing to them, and for the record, I don't have any prototype suits. I just think RR heavies are indicative of Dust's balance / fitting-metagame problems. Everyone is flocking to high EHP, high range, high damage. I posted this topic after spending all evening running around with a CR in my STD scout BPO and going K/D and ISK positive every match. The vast majority of people aren't moving around the map or flanking or generally trying to play in an interesting manner, they'd rather waddle around with a rail rifle in a blob, and that's what's annoying to me. I 100% understand why they're doing it, and I'm not crass enough to suggest that they should stop or shouldn't be able to, but I still hate it. Maybe you should try it, it's very fun. It'll probably change your whole opinion on things. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 593	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:14:00 - [44] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... Invisible scouts will be the heavy killer, or at least that's what I'm really hoping for. Knives, shotguns, and REs are hopefully going to be the weapons of choice. @Prince Adidas: For weeks I've been sitting the middle of the blob dropping nanohives and uplinks and using my own RR. It works very well, but it bores me.
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:16:00 - [45] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: KingBabar wrote: What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... Invisible scouts will be the heavy killer, or at least that's what I'm really hoping for. Knives, shotguns, and REs are hopefully going to be the weapons of choice. @Prince Adidas: For weeks I've been sitting the middle of the blob dropping nanohives and uplinks and using my own RR. It works very well, but it bores me. Get a heavy suit with it, and at least try to get an advanced RR like the SB-39. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 603	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:17:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. Your entire argument was nullified when you mentioned strafing at long range. 100% of people who use rail rifle heavies also use aim assist Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 407	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:18:00 - [47] - Quote Untill there is a full auto heavy weapon with range to rival the rail rifle spam i vow to use my proto HVY and Pro RR on every wide open map, it would be imbalanced to limit hvy suits to hvy weapons withe current lack of variety for heavy weapons, why should heavis are slower, larger target, and currently armor heavy, by all rights if we both have a RR the quicker suit should win the enguagement. Especially something like a caldari, and trust me, u put your RR down or come closer i woul be happier to melt your face off with my hmg That not even mentioning how L slots can fit sidarms ,if u limit one u hav to limit them all Director:Diplomat Search DL514 to apply
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:19:00 - [48] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. Your entire argument was nullified when you mentioned strafing at long range. 100% of people who use rail rifle heavies also use aim assist I know I use it all the time. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 594	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:30:00 - [49] - Quote Prince Adidas wrote: Awry Barux wrote: KingBabar wrote: What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... Invisible scouts will be the heavy killer, or at least that's what I'm really hoping for. Knives, shotguns, and REs are hopefully going to be the weapons of choice. @Prince Adidas: For weeks I've been sitting the middle of the blob dropping nanohives and uplinks and using my own RR. It works very well, but it bores me. Get a heavy suit with it, and at least try to get an advanced RR like the SB-39. By "my own RR" I meant Kalaakiota w/ Prof III and complex damage mods, and yes, I have tried it on my Sentinel BPO. I'll trade that extra 500 EHP for triage nanohives any day of the week. Still hate it. Edit: Also, don't tell me to join the stupid infantry FOTM. That's gross. That's a gross way to live.
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:37:00 - [50] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: Awry Barux wrote: KingBabar wrote: What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... Invisible scouts will be the heavy killer, or at least that's what I'm really hoping for. Knives, shotguns, and REs are hopefully going to be the weapons of choice. @Prince Adidas: For weeks I've been sitting the middle of the blob dropping nanohives and uplinks and using my own RR. It works very well, but it bores me. Get a heavy suit with it, and at least try to get an advanced RR like the SB-39. By "my own RR" I meant Kalaakiota w/ Prof III and complex damage mods, and yes, I have tried it on my Sentinel BPO. I'll trade that extra 500 EHP for triage nanohives any day of the week. Still hate it. Edit: Also, don't tell me to join the stupid infantry FOTM. That's gross. That's a gross way to live. Even the Kalaakiota bores you? Aw man.. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 595	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:42:00 - [51] - Quote Prince Adidas wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: Awry Barux wrote: KingBabar wrote: What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... Invisible scouts will be the heavy killer, or at least that's what I'm really hoping for. Knives, shotguns, and REs are hopefully going to be the weapons of choice. @Prince Adidas: For weeks I've been sitting the middle of the blob dropping nanohives and uplinks and using my own RR. It works very well, but it bores me. Get a heavy suit with it, and at least try to get an advanced RR like the SB-39. By "my own RR" I meant Kalaakiota w/ Prof III and complex damage mods, and yes, I have tried it on my Sentinel BPO. I'll trade that extra 500 EHP for triage nanohives any day of the week. Still hate it. Edit: Also, don't tell me to join the stupid infantry FOTM. That's gross. That's a gross way to live. Even the Kalaakiota bores you? Aw man.. How could it not? I literally never have to think about whether my weapon is right for the job or what the situation is tactically. I out DPS and out range every other weapon on the field with the exception of tanks. Combine that with half decent gun game and it's just easy mode. Lots of kills =/= fun kills.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2203	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:02:00 - [52] - Quote Non-Commando heavies should be penalized for using light weapons. Make light weapons have 250% kick when being used by a heavy suit. Explain it away with a bit of flavor text: Due to the servos in the elbow joints of a Basic or Sentinel Class Heavy Suit being specifically designed to lift heavy weapons up, and not compensate for weapon-kick, Light Weapons are harder to control while using a heavy suit and their barrels often rise at an accelerated rate compared to the use of a Light Weapon on a Light or Medium suit. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 60	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:14:00 - [53] - Quote CCP saber said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8 ......
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 597	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:16:00 - [54] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: CCP saber said heavys with light weapons is being addressed in 1.8 ...... Source? Any info on how? I'm not sure that's a good idea.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1636	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:23:00 - [55] - Quote iTbagyou wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. Since heavies can use light weapons. Id like my brick tanked gal logi to carry a boundless hmg. Slap down some wyrikomi triages and have fun. Only "fairlol" way to have it. Agreed, But there should be a 50% movement penalty for carrying the HMG, even if you are holding a sidearm or equipment. And in a light suit it should be a 75% movement penalty. Fair is fair. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:25:00 - [56] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: iTbagyou wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. Since heavies can use light weapons. Id like my brick tanked gal logi to carry a boundless hmg. Slap down some wyrikomi triages and have fun. Only "fairlol" way to have it. Agreed, But there should be a 50% movement penalty for carrying the HMG, even if you are holding a sidearm or equipment. And in a light suit it should be a 75% movement penalty. Fair is fair. Movement penalty isn't creative enough. It basically gives the smaller suit the drawback of the heavy, which essentially removes the point of using that gun on a smaller frame in the first place. The malus should be of a different nature. I made a short post about that in this thread.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 131	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:35:00 - [57] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. I didn't say I've been losing to them. I've killed them far, far more times than they've killed me. It's still the most annoying low SP / low ISK fit out there. Not everyone plays KB/m. That strafing crap works for them, but console controller players can turn there sensitivity up all the way and never move that fast?! Solution to fat suits with CR and RR is flux grenades and DMG mods. Which ruins my gallente shield game, making me a little heavy with all that armor?! Stacking armor like a heavy just to survive the engagements with the fat suits?! "Anybody order chaos?"
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:36:00 - [58] - Quote RR is OP. If you see a heavy using besides there HMG there is a BIG problem or they are scrubs. Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 855	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:37:00 - [59] - Quote Well... they're the new FOTM, they're also easier to skill into than a LVL 5 Gallante logi... *Assassination is my thing.*
Onesimus Tarsus 1207	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:44:00 - [60] - Quote The idea of running in less than the most lethal fit per buck spent is as stupid as eating broth with chopsticks. CCP put the stuff in the game, it works, and I don't care if everyone except me runs it. Choices matter, and CCP lets them choose it, to their benefit. So it makes the game boring and unplayable, so what? Choice over all, baby. I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3116	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:01:00 - [61] - Quote KingBabar wrote: What a bunch of QQ.... Heavy/RR combo is mostly easy to counter. I'm on the other hand seriously concerned about the upcoming buff to the frames in combination with the current beast that is the HMG. Even nades will lose much of its role as the fatty killer, Will fattys be a must in future PCs in the city maps? I fear they will indeed.... Surely that's a good thing? No.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 609	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:07:00 - [62] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So you don't know how to keep your distance and tear them apart by strafing left and right, while aiming at their domes? It takes longer to kill them than average but it can be done. I didn't say I've been losing to them. I've killed them far, far more times than they've killed me. It's still the most annoying low SP / low ISK fit out there. Not everyone plays KB/m. That strafing crap works for them, but console controller players can turn there sensitivity up all the way and never move that fast?! Solution to fat suits with CR and RR is flux grenades and DMG mods. Which ruins my gallente shield game, making me a little heavy with all that armor?! Stacking armor like a heavy just to survive the engagements with the fat suits?! Huh? I don't use KBM in Dust, the virtual joystick input makes me want to smash my mouse into tiny pieces. You can strafe plenty well with a controller. You can even get more tricky against some people by not strafing at max speed after a few direction switches, then speeding up again. Throws people off.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4039	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:44:00 - [63] - Quote Rail rifles are the FOTM, and the favored tactic of standing in the open like an idiot makes sentinels the best choice because they have enough eHP that they die to everything in 1.5 seconds, rather than .5 seconds. That is why. I am your scan error.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:58:00 - [64] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. I actually support this. As a Forge/HMG heavy since Dust's earlier days, I run nothing else on my heavies. If I feel the need to use a light weapon on something "heavy", I use the Commando...
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 600	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:02:00 - [65] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Commandos should be the only Heavies that can use light weapons. All other Heavies should be restricted to heavy weapons IMO. wrong the light and medium suits should have bonuses on light weapons. dont gimp the heavy suit because you cant kill a slow moving target. I dont use this setup but i will in 1.8 because i will try my best to only use caldari gear We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:27:00 - [66] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I'm f--king sick of them. At least bricked proto slayer logis fatten my wallet and require lots of SP... it seems like every random blue/redberry is running around in a militia heavy frame with a RR. That is all. Adapt or get the f out. If you can't beat em, join em. With TTK being so screwed up, heavy is the only option. The funny thing is, CCP wants it this way. You want LESS fit options?


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