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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:20:00 -
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Lol at all the complaining. Dude, the tanks themselves are not OP. It's that fact that you can call one in for dirt cheap. make a MLT Tank cost the same as the most expensive Proto suit. Problem solved.
But Keep reading!
I must propose some questions to you all. Please take these questions into consideration
General:
Did you tank before 1.7?
No? Don't complain because you do not understand how bad their ability to take damage was.
To Tankers:
Were you tanking pre 1.7?
Were You proto?
Were you happy getting two shotted by forge guns?
Were you happy getting killed by ONE PERSON?
How much did your GOOD tanks cost?
To AV Users:
You should not be able to kill a tank with ONE Person.
Do you just assume you should be able to One/ Two shot any vehicle in existence on DUST?
Have you run any sort of variance in your AV? Forges? Swarms? Grenades? Proxies? Remotes?
Do you charge blaster tanks head on?
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
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Lucifalic
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:26:00 -
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So 1 guy with all proto av should not be able to solo an all militia tank???
Am I reading this right?
Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
64
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:30:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:So 1 guy with all proto av should not be able to solo an all militia tank???
Am I reading this right?
You can already do that. Lol.
Most MLT tanks are garbage.
Also, I'm speaking in terms of tanks in general. I could care less about a MLT tank. I personally Run Madru's and Guni's.
If a MLT tanker knows how to run his stuff, yes they shouldn't get solo'd. Think dropsuits. You can kill a proto in all MLT gear with some teamwork and planning. Nuff said.
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:33:00 -
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Tanks aren't OP... Tank Spam however, is. A single tank by itself can be killed by a 24k isk suit, advanced and basic gear with little to no problem at all, but that's only if that suit can get near the tank long enough to do so. Having five tanks covering each other makes this nearly impossible unless there's dedicated AV unit with forge guns and swarms distracting them. Pricing is really the only issue here, as OP said. People aren't afraid to lose tanks anymore, even new players, so they just spam them all day long and make a huge profit, as well as boosting their KD/R at the same time. 
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:35:00 -
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Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101
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Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:35:00 -
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Funny thing is, I only see 1 QQ thread that was bumped by a tanker, and the thread pre-dates AV's adaptation.
I'll bite anyways.
General:
Yes, I did tank before 1.7.
To Tankers:
I had PRO, but didn't run it often
I never got 2 shotted before 1.7. Even by a Wyrikomi Breach. Maybe you were bad?
Yes, I was. I am only one person in a tank, so I was glad with being killed by only one person on AV.
My average tank was 4-600k.
To AV Users:
Why shouldn't I? My total ISK loss is far more as AV, and I am still one person, just inside a tank.
Who said that they should 2 shot vehicles? Stop making baseless assumptions.
I've used all. My tank has only ever been killed by a squad of Forge Gunners, Jihad Jeeps, and Railguns. I think that's a problem.
"Teamwork For Thee, But No Teamwork For Me" - Such is the Motto of vehicle pilots
Want to know how to make a strike-through?
[s[Example[/s]
Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
64
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101
Lol if you're smart you can solo a tank. Remotes + AV nades/Flux + Swarms = Kill.
I'm okay with that. But pre 1.7 power was annoying asf.
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
Chromosome Veteran
Subsonic.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4627
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:38:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101 Lol if you're smart you can solo a tank. Remotes + AV nades/Flux + Swarms = Kill. I'm okay with that. But pre 1.7 power was annoying asf.
My entire wallet goes to the first person who can kill me with this.
Want to know how to make a strike-through?
[s[Example[/s]
Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
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Syeven Reed
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:38:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:Lol at all the complaining. Dude, the tanks themselves are not OP. It's that fact that you can call one in for dirt cheap. make a MLT Tank cost the same as the most expensive Proto suit. Problem solved.
But Keep reading!
I must propose some questions to you all. Please take these questions into consideration
General:
Did you tank before 1.7?
No? Don't complain because you do not understand how bad their ability to take damage was.
To Tankers:
Were you tanking pre 1.7?
Were You proto?
Were you happy getting two shotted by forge guns?
Were you happy getting killed by ONE PERSON?
How much did your GOOD tanks cost?
To AV Users:
You should not be able to kill a tank with ONE Person.
Do you just assume you should be able to One/ Two shot any vehicle in existence on DUST?
Have you run any sort of variance in your AV? Forges? Swarms? Grenades? Proxies? Remotes?
Do you charge blaster tanks head on?
Your new around the forums? 
My proto suit costs 166K.... my MLT tank on the other hand (whilst requiring no skills to use) costs under 70K
My suit will die in 5 shots of your tank - your tank will regain its shields in less time as my suit takes to start recharging them...
You try to solo a tank whilst also being shot at by tank(2) and hoping the redline(3) doesn't get you.
You see what everyone means by OP tanks
Gÿé Syeven 514
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10729
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:39:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101 Lol if you're smart you can solo a tank. Remotes + AV nades/Flux + Swarms = Kill. I'm okay with that. But pre 1.7 power was annoying asf.
Good tankers don't slow down, it's always move move move. The only way you're getting remotes on them with AV grenades then taking shots with your swarms is if they're absolutely terrible, and running around by themselves.
There's a reason Jihad jeeps have become a thing, and it's not just because it's incredibly hilarious to do
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Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
64
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:40:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Tanks aren't OP... Tank Spam however, is. A single tank by itself can be killed by a 24k isk suit, advanced and basic gear with little to no problem at all, but that's only if that suit can get near the tank long enough to do so. Having five tanks covering each other makes this nearly impossible unless there's dedicated AV unit with forge guns and swarms distracting them. Pricing is really the only issue here, as OP said. People aren't afraid to lose tanks anymore, even new players, so they just spam them all day long and make a huge profit, as well as boosting their KD/R at the same time.
Vehicle Quota more specific (ex: overall lim 7 vehicles. 3 tank max. 3 dropship max. 5 lav max.) rather than overall Quota, at least in ambush: Problem solved.
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
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Bax Zanith
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:40:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:
To AV Users:
You should not be able to kill a tank with ONE Person.
Do you just assume you should be able to One/ Two shot any vehicle in existence on DUST?
Have you run any sort of variance in your AV? Forges? Swarms? Grenades? Proxies? Remotes?
Do you charge blaster tanks head on?
I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
64
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Soldier Sorajord wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101 Lol if you're smart you can solo a tank. Remotes + AV nades/Flux + Swarms = Kill. I'm okay with that. But pre 1.7 power was annoying asf. Good tankers don't slow down, it's always move move move. The only way you're getting remotes on them with AV grenades then taking shots with your swarms is if they're absolutely terrible, and running around by themselves. There's a reason Jihad jeeps have become a thing, and it's not just because it's incredibly hilarious to do
Yup Yup. A smart tanker doesn't just sit and let you destroy them, just like a smart infantry doesn't just sit and get shot and die, lol.
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
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Subsonic.
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
64
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:42:00 -
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Add a Quota, Increase price, Problem solved. nuff said.
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2831
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:42:00 -
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I'm sick of reading these posts about people soloing tanks. I really am.
This really isn't a debate anymore. They aren't as OP as they were in closed beta, but those were proto tanks. Our AV was better then as well.
Tanks are OP in a pub match setting. The odds are overwhelming that your 6 guys will not be able to handle the tank spam WHILE also dealing with the infantry.
In a PC setting tanks are not OP. But they are killing pubs. It's as simple as that.
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Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
64
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:45:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm sick of reading these posts about people soloing tanks. I really am.
This really isn't a debate anymore. They aren't as OP as they were in closed beta, but those were proto tanks. Our AV was better then as well.
Tanks are OP in a pub match setting. The odds are overwhelming that your 6 guys will not be able to handle the tank spam WHILE also dealing with the infantry.
In a PC setting tanks are not OP. But they are killing pubs. It's as simple as that.
Like I said, Increase Price, and many people will stop. Add a quota of about 3, And you won't get massacred by 7 tanks in a match.
Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :)
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
683
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:46:00 -
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Ah the return of the zero-sum game... and the common fallacy of "it should take more than one person to kill a tank".. in a limited engagement 16 v 16 game...
Until it's fixed I'll in a tank to counter another tank - it's cheaper, more efficient and I can also kill infantry - it's exactly what's happening now - this is your zero-sum game.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
649
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:49:00 -
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Tanks should be powerful. They should not be cheap.
They should be AV oriented. LAVs should fear them. Infantry, not so much. A tank's AI should come from small blasters.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:50:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:So 1 guy with all proto av should not be able to solo an all militia tank???
Am I reading this right?
There is not going to be ADV or PRO tanks so... yes, most likely.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2511
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:51:00 -
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Did you tank before 1.7? Yes
Were you tanking pre 1.7? Yes
Were You proto? i have proto mods/turrets but still no proto hull
Were you happy getting two shotted by forge guns? if my hardeners are down i expect to get 2 shotted depending on tank and fit but with hardeners up i expect it to be double
Were you happy getting killed by ONE PERSON? if they worked for the kill and got me when my hardeners are down and they were in wait or chased after me then fair play, jihad jeeps excluded only proper AV weapons like FG/PLC/swarms
How much did your GOOD tanks cost? My most expensive tank is 700k, my average is 400-500k, my cheap is 200k+
To AV Users:
You should not be able to kill a tank with ONE Person.
Do you just assume you should be able to One/ Two shot any vehicle in existence on DUST? Only if i catch them with hardeners down, if hardeners are up then they are tougher to crack and takes at least double the amount of shots but it makes me work for that kill
Have you run any sort of variance in your AV? Forges? Swarms? Grenades? Proxies? Remotes? Yes, ive used remotes on jihad jeep which was too easy but fun but also meh, swarms are fire and forget no skill i dont like them, FG is my fave AV primary weapon and i love the breach FG, AV nades are a secondary to my FG as a support but i dont like the auto seeking feature since that takes away skill because i can spam them over a wall and never miss
Do you charge blaster tanks head on? No im not braindead
Intelligence is OP
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:56:00 -
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There are plenty of Tankers who have been running tanks since Beta, guys that were still using tanks in 1.6, who say flat out that Tanks and AV are as out of balance now as they were in 1.6. It is just no they are flipped in the TankGÇÖs favour.
The AV weapons available to the suits that most infantry run (small and medium frame) were over nerfed and need to be adjusted back up to achieve balance. The Swarm Launcher and the AV grenade do not need to be buffed to anywhere near what they were in 1.6. Small buffs will go a long way to approaching balance.
We donGÇÖt need AV to be able to take down a Tank with itGÇÖs hardeners active, unless there are large numbers of AV, but we donGÇÖt want a continuation of the situation were a Tank does not feel it necessary to put its harder on when it is only a Swarm Launcher shooting at it.
The other issue I see with tanks right now is that some high end tanks can run their cooldowns in sequence so that by the time the third one goes on cooldown, the first one is ready for use again. If a tank always has its defenses up there is no wave of opportunity for AV to exploit.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:01:00 -
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HEY GUYS YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER TO KILL ME BUT I SHOULD
BE ABLE TO WALK ALL OVER YOU SOLO
YEH I KILLED YOU USING PROTO SWARMS WITH A MILITIA TANK, SO WHAT? YOU'RE ONLY ONE PERSON
YOU SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN MY TANK
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Soldier Sorajord wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101 Lol if you're smart you can solo a tank. Remotes + AV nades/Flux + Swarms = Kill. I'm okay with that. But pre 1.7 power was annoying asf. My entire wallet goes to the first person who can kill me with this.
I came up with that fit, but I am not going to take that bet. I would get a better KDR with a Jehad Jeep.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:04:00 -
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The tank QQ is hilarious they can be killed in one instant with a jihad taxi
CCP fix PC your core game mode
Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:09:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:
To Tankers:
Were you tanking pre 1.7?
Were You proto?
Were you happy getting two shotted by forge guns?
Were you happy getting killed by ONE PERSON?
How much did your GOOD tanks cost?
1. Yes, tanking since the start of uprising.
2. Yes.
3. Didn't happen. Maybe if I was off hardener, reps in cooldown, and got fluxed, but other than that.....
4. 1.5 million.
Soldier Sorajord wrote:
To AV Users:
You should not be able to kill a tank with ONE Person.
Do you just assume you should be able to One/ Two shot any vehicle in existence on DUST?
Have you run any sort of variance in your AV? Forges? Swarms? Grenades? Proxies? Remotes?
Do you charge blaster tanks head on?
1. One person with AV should be able to kill a tank. You cannot have it any other way in a 16 v 16 game.
2. Even a double damage modded forge is not two shooting most things, and most rational AV are not asking for such things.
3. I have proto grenades, RE's and a prof 5 FG on my heavy alt. If I had not specced Amarr logi I would have more experience with proxies, but I don't have the slots.
4. With my heavy alt, I can tackle any tank in the game. That is a lot of SP and practice tank popping though. I also don't play nice when it comes to AV, there is no chivalry in it at all.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:09:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:HEY GUYS YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER TO KILL ME BUT I SHOULD
BE ABLE TO WALK ALL OVER YOU SOLO
YEH I KILLED YOU USING PROTO SWARMS WITH A MILITIA TANK, SO WHAT? YOU'RE ONLY ONE PERSON
YOU SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN MY TANK
Cause you know, 3 tanks in full cover can shoot at infantry that can't really hide anywhere.... oh wait, it's the other way around.
Well tanks can completely avoid infantry by using cover... oh wait, it's the other way around.
Everyone knows that if a dropsuit player kills you only twice the whole battle and a tank kills you 8 times, you focus on the dropsuit and obsess over it because it's more visually identifiable... Oh wait, it's the other way around again..
I can solo tanks, just not 100% every friggin time I see them. If I could do that there would not be any tanks on the field.
Any organized group of 2 or more AV can completely clear the map of 3-7 tanks easily. Provided the users actually think..
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Logi Stician
The Vanguardians
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
242
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:25:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:
Cause you know, 3 tanks in full cover can shoot at infantry that can't really hide anywhere.... oh wait, it's the other way around.
Have you ever played an Ambush? Get three or four tanks running around camping the smart deploy and tell me again how infantry can something something full cover.
Disclaimer: I know tankbush is broken, but I love it for the fast action and very decent payouts.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Well tanks can completely avoid infantry by using cover... oh wait, it's the other way around.
Redline rails and tanks nascar-ing it to the redline. Boom. Roasted.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Everyone knows that if a dropsuit player kills you only twice the whole battle and a tank kills you 8 times, you focus on the dropsuit and obsess over it because it's more visually identifiable... Oh wait, it's the other way around again..
What does this even mean? A tank is a force multiplier with what can be easily argued little risk, great reward, so it stands to reason that you will want to reduce the force multiplication to even the playing field.
"Oh great. A tank is moving past Bravo and headed to Charlie, switching to AV so we can kill it and resume playing the game."
"...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:35:00 -
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We brought in the frogs to deal with the gnats. We brought in the snakes to deal with the frogs. We brought in the mongooses to deal with the snakes. What are we gonna do about all these mongooses?
Have you seen my baseball?
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
35
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Soldier Sorajord wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me
Tanker credo 101 Lol if you're smart you can solo a tank. Remotes + AV nades/Flux + Swarms = Kill. I'm okay with that. But pre 1.7 power was annoying asf. My entire wallet goes to the first person who can kill me with this.
What kind of setup do you run? And I'll take that bet if I ever see you in a match.  Granted, it's unlikely that I'll ever see you in a match. 
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.13 16:37:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:We brought in the frogs to deal with the gnats. We brought in the snakes to deal with the frogs. We brought in the mongooses to deal with the snakes. What are we gonna do about all these mongooses?
Bring in the scouts. 
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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