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Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 953	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote I'm getting sent to late matches that last 5 seconds more often, now. I did, however, get a Cala's from that. But still, I rather play than get stuff I can't even use!
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 163	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:58:00 - [2] - Quote I seriously doubt we have the active player numbers to institute matchmaking the way a number of people on the forums seem to be suggesting. At this point I'd settle for a simple sorting algorithm that divides squads between sides before filling in the 'randomns'. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6788	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:00:00 - [3] - Quote We just don't have enough people online. The matchmaking works wonders when you have enough people online. Unfortunately, 4,000 concurrent users at one time is not enough. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1014	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:01:00 - [4] - Quote At the moment of writing this, the timer for ambush is 3:20 still searching. :X Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 421	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:02:00 - [5] - Quote I've had opposite experience so far, matches have just started, teams are both full or close enough and matches are tight though I might just have been lucky I will show you fear in a handful of dust. 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 94	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:08:00 - [6] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: I seriously doubt we have the active player numbers to institute matchmaking the way a number of people on the forums seem to be suggesting. At this point I'd settle for a simple sorting algorithm that divides squads between sides before filling in the 'randomns'. Maken Tosch wrote: We just don't have enough people online. The matchmaking works wonders when you have enough people online. Unfortunately, 4,000 concurrent users at one time is not enough. Correctamundo And with all this supposed logic we still get more unbalanced games than not. Just very simple matchmaking and let whatever happens happen. The last minute deployments are detestable though. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:25:00 - [7] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I'm getting sent to late matches that last 5 seconds more often, now. I did, however, get a Cala's from that. But still, I rather play than get stuff I can't even use! There is a very simple way to not be sent in to these type of matches. When launching a match in the battle finder, once you get the "waiting for deployment" message, the battle finder will display how many mercs are currently qued for this battle. If you see 31/32 immediately cancel deployment, wait a few seconds, then redeploy. I do this for anything 28-31. These numbered mean that more than likely you are taking the spot of someone that has just left a battle that is already in progress. Follow this rule and you will never be put into another match that is already in progress. {:)}{3GÇó>
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 802	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:31:00 - [8] - Quote If someone rage-quits near the end of the match, why does CCP's algorithm think it's a good idea to queue me into that same match? Is it so hard to implement something that a) prevents people from quitting a game near the end of a match or b) prevents people from joining a game that's nearly over?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 954	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:44:00 - [9] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Joel II X wrote: I'm getting sent to late matches that last 5 seconds more often, now. I did, however, get a Cala's from that. But still, I rather play than get stuff I can't even use! There is a very simple way to not be sent in to these type of matches. When launching a match in the battle finder, once you get the "waiting for deployment" message, the battle finder will display how many mercs are currently qued for this battle. If you see 31/32 immediately cancel deployment, wait a few seconds, then redeploy. I do this for anything 28-31. These numbers mean that more than likely you are taking the spot of someone that has just left a battle that is already in progress. Follow this rule and you will never be put into another match that is already in progress. I did this yesterday. Had to cancel a match 15 times in a row. 10 of those times was the same exact match.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:48:00 - [10] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Joel II X wrote: I'm getting sent to late matches that last 5 seconds more often, now. I did, however, get a Cala's from that. But still, I rather play than get stuff I can't even use! There is a very simple way to not be sent in to these type of matches. When launching a match in the battle finder, once you get the "waiting for deployment" message, the battle finder will display how many mercs are currently qued for this battle. If you see 31/32 immediately cancel deployment, wait a few seconds, then redeploy. I do this for anything 28-31. These numbers mean that more than likely you are taking the spot of someone that has just left a battle that is already in progress. Follow this rule and you will never be put into another match that is already in progress. I did this yesterday. Had to cancel a match 15 times in a row. 10 of those times was the same exact match. You, can't reque immediately. You have to give it time to put some other poor shlub in that match, or it's just going to keep putting you right back in there. I usually wait about a minute or so befor requeing. I don't seem to have any problems. {:)}{3GÇó>

Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 544	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:50:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: We just don't have enough people online. The matchmaking works wonders when you have enough people online. Unfortunately, 4,000 concurrent users at one time is not enough. this is bullshit. I fought molon labe and nyan chan as a random. CCPcould have had them face each other but instead paired them up against randoms. Who wants some?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9285	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:55:00 - [12] - Quote To those people saying 'We don't have enough people'... That is not an excuse for matchmaking this poor. It truly is terrible. It puts multiple squads on one side. This is not an issue of there not being the people present - they are present, they're being put in the wrong places. Putting people in matches 5 seconds away from ending is likewise unacceptable. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood 464	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:55:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I'm getting sent to late matches that last 5 seconds more often, now. I did, however, get a Cala's from that. But still, I rather play than get stuff I can't even use! teams of 6 vs 16 now WTF ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
HAICD Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 93	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:59:00 - [14] - Quote When's the best time to bring out your proto gear?? When you have 5 proto players that have your back! If you make the squads smaller like 4 players it will be harder for one squad to run the whole match and if team try to q sync they should be against each other in a pub match. DOWG
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 320	Posted - 2014.02.11 20:06:00 - [15] - Quote it was a bug fix, NOT a tweak to matchmaking. most likely fixing a bug that had you fighting an empty team and nerver adding anybody
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1178	Posted - 2014.02.11 20:20:00 - [16] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: , I never thought about it like that. Deep man, deep. {:)}{3GÇó>
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 959	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:02:00 - [17] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: pyramidhead 420 wrote: , I never thought about it like that. Deep man, deep. I agree. He obviously knows what he's talking about! In all seriousness though, now half of my matches are started late (ranging from 3/4 of MCC health to 2%). I had one match where it was me and my squad buddy against 3 dudes out of the academy and a guy on his Python with proto missile turret. Yup.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 205	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:32:00 - [18] - Quote I didn't see much of any matchmaking fix at all today. All I saw was still heavily unbalanced matches in which some friends told me they were still going up against major q-synced squads in Ambush. Another match I was in consisted of all Sver and OSG all on one side while my half was all random scrubs. So what I saw was no fix at all, except now a huge wait time tacked on for pub matches of well over 2-3 mins in some cases. Looks like another disaster to me. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 561	Posted - 2014.02.12 01:53:00 - [19] - Quote Maybe on the 514th try. Who wants some?
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 95	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:42:00 - [20] - Quote No its not ideal at all joining matches that are so close to the end.... But i assume you're all queueing as individuals rather than a squad.... The mechanic is clearly broken for individuals now,,,, but you hardly ever get this problem when joining as a squad (presumably because not enough 'open' spaces become free near the end of games for a squad to be added) seems to me everyone having this problem should squad together,,, and at least then theres a temporary fix,,, and you can go back to being a loner once they finally sort it It's an 'MMO' anyway,,, everything in Dust prefers teamplay,,, even match queues!

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 963	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:09:00 - [21] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Maybe on the 514th try. In the 514th try, I'll get a permanent fetal error. That's what I think.
Dreniella Expert Intervention Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:24:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I'm getting sent to late matches that last 5 seconds more often, now. They did not hotfix that. They hotfixed matches where you'd play 1v16 for entire match.

CCP Draco C C P C C P Alliance 101	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:53:00 - [23] - Quote Hi, I'd like to offer a short explanation of what yesterday's matchmaking fix was all about. In essence, there was a problem with squads getting added on the wrong team in public and academy battles. So if you had a 4:8 battle and joined with a 4 player squad, it would sometimes put that squad on the team with 8 players, causing it to be 4:12. That should no longer happen with the fix. However, you may still end up with temporary imbalances if someone joins with a 6 people squad on an already balanced match, say 10:10, as it won't break up the squad. Thus you'd get a 10:16 (or 16:10) match until more players join the queue. Similar imbalances might happen if you have an 11:16 battle and all players in the queue are 6 player squads, as they would not fit into that battle. Thanks, CCP Draco

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4871	Posted - 2014.02.12 06:20:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Draco wrote: Hi, I'd like to offer a short explanation of what yesterday's matchmaking fix was all about. In essence, there was a problem with squads getting added on the wrong team in public and academy battles. So if you had a 4:8 battle and joined with a 4 player squad, it would sometimes put that squad on the team with 8 players, causing it to be 4:12. That should no longer happen with the fix. However, you may still end up with temporary imbalances if someone joins with a 6 people squad on an already balanced match, say 10:10, as it won't break up the squad. Thus you'd get a 10:16 (or 16:10) match until more players join the queue. Similar imbalances might happen if you have an 11:16 battle and all players in the queue are 6 player squads, as they would not fit into that battle. Thanks, CCP Draco It's still doing that. http://i.imgur.com/WleLjMZ.jpg Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1014	Posted - 2014.02.12 06:58:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: It's still having some imbalances. http://i.imgur.com/WleLjMZ.jpg That... doesn't seem TOO imbalanced. There seems to be 2 squads on the enemy side and maybe 3 squads on your side. What looks to be the problem in this pic, is the squad sizes. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4871	Posted - 2014.02.12 07:19:00 - [26] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: It's still having some imbalances. http://i.imgur.com/WleLjMZ.jpg That... doesn't seem TOO imbalanced. There seems to be 2 squads on the enemy side and maybe 3 squads on your side. What looks to be the problem in this pic, is the squad sizes. Was our squad of Anonymous (and myself) mixed with two other small squads against AE, ANONYMOUS (who we tried to q-synch with) and a squad of Molon Labe. We got annihilated. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 52	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:24:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Draco wrote: Hi, I'd like to offer a short explanation of what yesterday's matchmaking fix was all about. In essence, there was a problem with squads getting added on the wrong team in public and academy battles. So if you had a 4:8 battle and joined with a 4 player squad, it would sometimes put that squad on the team with 8 players, causing it to be 4:12. That should no longer happen with the fix. However, you may still end up with temporary imbalances if someone joins with a 6 people squad on an already balanced match, say 10:10, as it won't break up the squad. Thus you'd get a 10:16 (or 16:10) match until more players join the queue. Similar imbalances might happen if you have an 11:16 battle and all players in the queue are 6 player squads, as they would not fit into that battle. Thanks, CCP Draco I thought matchmaking was a complex process. So is it that scotty just queue guys up and throw them into a match? Dust to Dust Ashes to Ashes
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2185	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:29:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: It's still having some imbalances. http://i.imgur.com/WleLjMZ.jpg That... doesn't seem TOO imbalanced. There seems to be 2 squads on the enemy side and maybe 3 squads on your side. What looks to be the problem in this pic, is the squad sizes. Was our squad of Anonymous (and myself) mixed with two other small squads against AE, ANONYMOUS (who we tried to q-synch with) and a squad of Molon Labe. We got annihilated. Draco said the fix was to team numbers, not the balance of the players on either side. You had 16 vs 16. Though the may have been more in squads on one side than the other and those players may have been significantly better, you still had even numbers, which is what the fix was about. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1558	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:12:00 - [29] - Quote The response from CCP Draco is appreciated, and the fact that the matchmaker is getting attention is appreciated. But this must be said: given the nature of the error described and the fundamental role it plays in determining player experience, it is absolutely stunning how long it has taken CCP to address this. Furthermore, it was a problem solvable by a hotfix. The mind boggles and reels with despair simultaneously - if there's an upside it's that this did finally receive attention. Perhaps that's the hand of our new EP at work and hopefully a sign of things to come. I support SP rollover.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 575	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:48:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Draco wrote: Hi, I'd like to offer a short explanation of what yesterday's matchmaking fix was all about. In essence, there was a problem with squads getting added on the wrong team in public and academy battles. So if you had a 4:8 battle and joined with a 4 player squad, it would sometimes put that squad on the team with 8 players, causing it to be 4:12. That should no longer happen with the fix. However, you may still end up with temporary imbalances if someone joins with a 6 people squad on an already balanced match, say 10:10, as it won't break up the squad. Thus you'd get a 10:16 (or 16:10) match until more players join the queue. Similar imbalances might happen if you have an 11:16 battle and all players in the queue are 6 player squads, as they would not fit into that battle. Thanks, CCP Draco So there's no fix coming for the all-too-common situation of "2 full proto squads on one side vs all lone wolves on the other"? Surely, a better fix would be to make sure that each team has a premade squad before adding an additional premade to a team with one already. I mean, listen, I'm all for Dust being difficult, and I get that there will always be gearing imbalances. But stacking squads on one side of the match doesn't really make the game more fun or even challenging. Those well-coordinated squads just end up stomping the other team, driving them to the redline, then harassing the redline once they have total domination. It's not fun, and well, this is a game after all. It should be fun. And before all the fanboys come in with "oh Vespa you should join a squad!," I normally do play in squads. My corp is very active, and there's always guys to run with. But sometimes you queue up solo. Sometimes it's faster than waiting for the squad queue or sometimes you want to play a different game mode (FW) than the squads blitzing ambush matches. It happens, and when it does, it should at least be fun and competitive. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<



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