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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 490	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:32:00 - [1] - Quote Racial parity is the oh-so wonderful buzz words used to state "every race has their own variant of a given item." One thing that I see thrown around a lot is the fact that "Minmatar Scout suits get a bonus to Caldari weapons." These topics are referring to the fact that the Nova Knife is a Caldari weapon. Many people have called for all racial variants for all weapons. However, is this truly necessary? Melee weapons are something I really see as not needing racial variants at all. What would be the functional difference between like an Amarr power-glove puncher and the Caldari Nova Knife? Both are completely worthless at anything other than melee range and both would probably deal an obscene amount of damage up close. With the rifles, each racial variant at least has it's purpose and concept. Caldari Rail Rifle for range and skirmishes, Gallente Assault Rifle for up-close face brawling. I don't see a reason to be that concerned about not having a lead pipe as the Minmatar weapon from a mechanics aspect as both would do exactly the same thing. Be well.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 566	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:34:00 - [2] - Quote No, if every race got copies of every other race's tech there will be guns that are completely pointless. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2187	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:36:00 - [3] - Quote Amarr are getting a AV lance. That is all. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 490	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:42:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Amarr are getting a AV lance. That is all. If this is true, then I revoke my statement on the pointlessness of racial parity in regards to melee weapons. The AV lance would have a completely different function entirely. I am still unsure what you could do with the other two races though. A knife is a knife.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1934	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:43:00 - [5] - Quote I will always love and suggest the idea of an Amarr power glove of death. Charlotte O'Dell is a liar, that's only a piece of corn & I'm the one and only majestic unicorn.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 167	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:09:00 - [6] - Quote No it's not necessary for all weapons; there shouldn't be 4 shotguns, 4 MDs, 4 swarms etc but sticking someone with a pointy object is one of the oldest forms of combat so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that each race came up with their own take on this combat method. I take it my thread sparked this topic. The only reason I brought it up is that 1.8 seems to be aligning races with their tech and the Min scout seemed to be a strange exception. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 915	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:16:00 - [7] - Quote Yes. Racial parity for the win. I want to role play with only Gallente tech, dammit!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 915	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:17:00 - [8] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: No it's not necessary for all weapons; there shouldn't be 4 shotguns, 4 MDs, 4 swarms etc but sticking someone with a pointy object is one of the oldest forms of combat so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that each race came up with their own take on this combat method. I take it my thread sparked this topic. The only reason I brought it up is that 1.8 seems to be aligning races with their tech and the Min scout seemed to be a strange exception. Swarms, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon are racial light AV. Not the same, but fill the same category. This is true racial parity.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 167	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:25:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: No it's not necessary for all weapons; there shouldn't be 4 shotguns, 4 MDs, 4 swarms etc but sticking someone with a pointy object is one of the oldest forms of combat so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that each race came up with their own take on this combat method. I take it my thread sparked this topic. The only reason I brought it up is that 1.8 seems to be aligning races with their tech and the Min scout seemed to be a strange exception. Swarms, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon are racial light AV. Not the same, but fill the same category. This is true racial parity. MD is light AV? In general I agree that 'categories' should have Racial Parity (yurr, with caps!). At the moment it's a bit of a Racial Parody. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3411	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:54:00 - [10] - Quote Joel II X wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: No it's not necessary for all weapons; there shouldn't be 4 shotguns, 4 MDs, 4 swarms etc but sticking someone with a pointy object is one of the oldest forms of combat so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that each race came up with their own take on this combat method. I take it my thread sparked this topic. The only reason I brought it up is that 1.8 seems to be aligning races with their tech and the Min scout seemed to be a strange exception. Swarms, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon are racial light AV. Not the same, but fill the same category. This is true racial parity. CCP's statement about the Mass Driver/Light AV is a little ambiguous: CCP Logibro wrote: Last time I checked, technically both the Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon are classified as "Launchers", and sit in the same category as the Mass Driver. This might be subject to change though, and doesn't preclude the inclusion of a Minmatar AV weapon of some kind (but I'm not saying there's one in the works. Just means we wouldn't never introduce one). That said, to the point of the OP, with knives specifically, I think the idea of having four different sets is a bit silly. However, a racial melee weapon for each race would be nice, and there's a lot of space within "melee" for variety I think. I wouldn't think 4 shotguns, 4 MDs, etc. are necessary, but each race having a form of Light AV, for one, would make sense. You have to imagine that the Amarr would have some sort of AV weapon to use with their ground forces prior to meeting other races, right? There doesn't need to be a "copy" of each weapon for each race. However, some kinds of weapons fill pretty unique roles that you'd expect every race to probably have in their arsenal. For example, the sniper rifle. A really long-range weapon used to take out people is almost a universal "type" of weapon in any game and any armed forces. It seems reasonable that some kind of "Sniping" rifle would be had by all races, though you'd expect the functionality to vary somewhat. Similarly, some sort of short range/close quarters firearm beyond melee seems likely. As a close-quarters option that doesn't require physical strength on the part of the user is reasonable. The debatable part is whether a sidearm pistol already fits this, or some sort of "SMG" type weapon should be in every races' arsenal. Arguably, something like the Magsec is really above and beyond what's required here. Those are what I'd call the core elements of racial parity weapon-wise (that we have left). Some kind of melee, some kind of AV, some kind of sniping rifle, and some sort of short-range/cqc suppression weapon. Though some weapons, like the Plasma Cannon, do a rather crap job of fill their role as well. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.

Paladin Sas Pro Hic Immortalis 287	Posted - 2014.02.10 05:57:00 - [11] - Quote plausible weapon variants shotguns Cald - pump action slug Gal - current near semi auto spread Minm - full auto, short range Amar - think laser rifle, but short range AOE. does more damage to groups of enemies than against lone soldiers knives Cald - current charge-up affair, boost the damage, reduce time between knife attempts Gal - (if DOTs are introduced) plasma injection DOT Minm - explosive tips (stab for 0 damage, run away, press button, boom) Amar - medium range (10meters) pulse lance (im pretty sure the AV lance described was a heavy weapon launchers Cald - Swarms Gal - PC Minm - MD (on a side note, i would LOVE a MD variant with a remote detonator instead of impact detonation) Amar - maybe some sort of charge up 3-5 round burst direct fire MD (for those who dont know, MD follows a near balistic arc, direct fire is linear) submachineguns Cald - magsec Gal - maybe some sort of charge up to release a burst of plasma rounds Minm - our current traditional bullet hose Amar - mid range, low ROF, submachine scrambler
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 263	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:03:00 - [12] - Quote Yes, it's necessary. '4 racial shotguns' is NOT an example of racial parity. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1663	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:07:00 - [13] - Quote I don't think the amarr melee weapon should be a glove. I want a bible to smack people over the head with.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5686	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:07:00 - [14] - Quote I see parity with some things as alright (every faction should have access to an all-purpose assault weapon), but I also like each race to have things that make them unique (MD, LR) to make things interesting. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1351	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:11:00 - [15] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I don't think the amarr melee weapon should be a glove. I want a bible to smack people over the head with. Slap some sense into them with a copy of pax amarria "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 707	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:22:00 - [16] - Quote Planetside 2 suffers from this from what i've heard. The Vanu for example don't have a long range tank. The Earth peeps(forget them) don't have a flanker option The Confederacy whatever don't have a brawler type. Sure, you have the 'specialty' types in each area, but bringing it back to DUST, do you expect caldari to NOT have a CQC weapon for when they attack an objective? Shotguns would fill this role. Amarr having a beyond 200m attack method? I propose the lazor get a buff to make it this. Minmatar having a 'tactical breach' weapon, akin to the laser rifle of today, or the plasma cannon and how it's used now? We need a melee weapon- minmatar's could do full damage with just a tap, meaning skmething like 80% of a caldari knive's full charge potential. Amarr could have some type of lightsaber, or an energy sword. Though t wouldn't be beneath them to have a Katana. Gallente could have some sort of supreme assasination, like a pocket shotgun, able to be held 1 in each hand, doing more damage the longer it keeps contact with the enemy. Think of the Guren mk.2 from Code Geass.(it has a plasma/matter distortion gun built in the palm of its' hand.) Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 23	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:14:00 - [17] - Quote racial parity just boils down that all four races will have their own take on all weapons/vehicles/race specific gear(starting in 1.8) so a heavy gun like the HMG for all 4 (who know when?) a melee weapon of some kind (soon tm) a variant on a assault rifle (already here) pistols (coming in 1.8) all four races will also then get a LAV, HAV and DS and MAV in the future (current stuff is caldari and gallante) all four will get a close range and long range weapon for the main turret on the HAV (current is just caldari and gallante) etc. etc. it is following the model of EVE where all 4 races have their own variants on every ship class from frigs right up to titans all four have specialized weapons that that use primarily with some cross over with the hybrids/missiles that way in the future when they finally get everything added and then adjust suit stats to fit with the race specific weapons you will have the minmatar heavy suit would get bonuses to the HMG the caldari scout would get the bonus for the nova knife amarr assault/commando bonus for laser based rifles etc. the way it should be.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4438	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:58:00 - [18] - Quote Racial parity in the sense of everyone having their own version of every weapon? No. Racial parity in the sense of everyone having their own weapon for every role? DEFINITELY. Everyone needs a frontline "primary" rifle weapon - Scrambler/Rail/Plasma/Combat Rifles fill this nicely. As for Nova Knives, Amarr should be getting that AV lance thing, Gallente could have a Nova Axe or something with enough damage to be semi-viable for AV as well as an effective anti-infantry weapon, and Minmatar could have Knives that have significantly different charge/damage stats. Or Minmatar could get Knives and the Caldari weapon could be scaled up to a Nova Sword to better reflect the long range preference with a single slightly heavier strike instead of multiple slashes.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 566	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:11:00 - [19] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Yes. Racial parity for the win. I want to role play with only Gallente tech, dammit! Basically you're saying you want to use equipment that is sub-par to your opponents? If you're using Gallente weaponry, why would you want to use a variant of some other race's tech, just because it's made by the Gallente? There is no real way that you can consider a Galente laser rifle to not be an Amarrian rip if you are role-playing, and hence you would never use the other weapons because they are symbols of the other races... You would only want to use the weapons pioneered by the Gallente, and hence all the other weapons would be unwanted, and pointless to have racial proxies for... In short: If you are role-playing, gear parity just means gear with multiple races attributed to them which = pointless for a purity RP. ROLE PARITY is something entirely different btw. By re-reading your posts, I think this is what you meant. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 728	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:21:00 - [20] - Quote Paladin Sas wrote: plausible weapon variants shotguns Cald - pump action slug Gal - current near semi auto spread Minm - full auto, short range Amar - think laser rifle, but short range AOE. does more damage to groups of enemies than against lone soldiers knives Cald - current charge-up affair, boost the damage, reduce time between knife attempts Gal - (if DOTs are introduced) plasma injection DOT Minm - explosive tips (stab for 0 damage, run away, press button, boom) Amar - medium range (10meters) pulse lance (im pretty sure the AV lance described was a heavy weapon launchers Cald - Swarms Gal - PC Minm - MD (on a side note, i would LOVE a MD variant with a remote detonator instead of impact detonation) Amar - maybe some sort of charge up 3-5 round burst direct fire MD (for those who dont know, MD follows a near balistic arc, direct fire is linear) submachineguns Cald - magsec Gal - maybe some sort of charge up to release a burst of plasma rounds Minm - our current traditional bullet hose Amar - mid range, low ROF, submachine scrambler again, these are possible plausible ideas, nothing hinted/confirmed by CCP For the Amarr Shotgun, I had an idea: Shoot a laser through a prism to "break" the beam. It would multiply the amount of damage, and limit range. Like a shotgun. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone

Yan Darn DUST University Ivy League 180	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:38:00 - [21] - Quote The Amarr shotgun should have a charge function. That's all I feel I need to contribute at this point. You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 279	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:39:00 - [22] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: plausible weapon variants shotguns Cald - pump action slug Gal - current near semi auto spread Minm - full auto, short range Amar - think laser rifle, but short range AOE. does more damage to groups of enemies than against lone soldiers knives Cald - current charge-up affair, boost the damage, reduce time between knife attempts Gal - (if DOTs are introduced) plasma injection DOT Minm - explosive tips (stab for 0 damage, run away, press button, boom) Amar - medium range (10meters) pulse lance (im pretty sure the AV lance described was a heavy weapon launchers Cald - Swarms Gal - PC Minm - MD (on a side note, i would LOVE a MD variant with a remote detonator instead of impact detonation) Amar - maybe some sort of charge up 3-5 round burst direct fire MD (for those who dont know, MD follows a near balistic arc, direct fire is linear) submachineguns Cald - magsec Gal - maybe some sort of charge up to release a burst of plasma rounds Minm - our current traditional bullet hose Amar - mid range, low ROF, submachine scrambler again, these are possible plausible ideas, nothing hinted/confirmed by CCP For the Amarr Shotgun, I had an idea: Shoot a laser through a prism to "break" the beam. It would multiply the amount of damage, and limit range. Like a shotgun. Lasers get their damage from passing through a focusing crystal - if you 'break' the beam you get a pretty lightshow and nothing else. As for parity it doesn't mean each race gets a shotgun or each race gets a sniper rifle what it means is each race gets an answer to a problem / weapon style in a different way. Examples are rifles or pistols - each race has something that performs roughly similarly, then weapon design in terms of launchers - plasma cannon is light av/ai, swarm is pretty good av, mass driver is anti infantry and I would not be surprised to see the amarr launcher be a khanid kingdoms short range direct fire rocket (essentially an amarr rocket-shotgun). 'Melee' is something there should be parity for 'Short range primary weapon' is something there should be parity for 'Mid range utility' is something there should be parity for (hint it's rifles) 'Sidearms precise / generalist' is something there should be parity for. 'Light av' is something there should be parity for 'Long range' is something there should be parity for 'Heavy av' is something there should be parity for 'Heavy anti infantry' is something there should be parity for. Edit to explain that a 'lance' isn't necessarily a melee weapon in fact in science fiction a 'lance' is often just a big laser gun
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 172	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:42:00 - [23] - Quote There is already pictures of 4 different racial variants of knives from one of the Fanfest. http://imgur.com/a/4bKjz#23 *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 458	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:46:00 - [24] - Quote not necessary, but it could be good to work on when there's nothing else going on. there are far more important matters to work on coughPVEcoughcough so as long as those get done first I have no complaints. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 918	Posted - 2014.02.10 11:12:00 - [25] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Joel II X wrote: Yes. Racial parity for the win. I want to role play with only Gallente tech, dammit! Basically you're saying you want to use equipment that is sub-par to your opponents? If you're using Gallente weaponry, why would you want to use a variant of some other race's tech, just because it's made by the Gallente? There is no real way that you can consider a Galente laser rifle to not be an Amarrian rip if you are role-playing, and hence you would never use the other weapons because they are symbols of the other races... You would only want to use the weapons pioneered by the Gallente, and hence all the other weapons would be unwanted, and pointless to have racial proxies for... In short: If you are role-playing, gear parity just means gear with multiple races attributed to them which = pointless for a purity RP. ROLE PARITY is something entirely different btw. By re-reading your posts, I think this is what you meant. If we just say role parity, it could mean that we would have more roles, but it doesn't specify if any race had their own. Racial role parity? Also, I'm fine with a fixed shotgun/Gallente Knives/Pistol/AR thank you very much.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 24	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:56:00 - [26] - Quote never said that their will be a gallante laser rifle, because lasers are amarr weapons I said they will have a weapon for each race for each class of weapon.. a heavy anti infantry weapon a heavy anti vehicle weapon a long range sniper weapon a rifle for mid range a short range weapon and a pistol and of course a melee weapon then there will be a lav a mav a hav a ds a fighter a m.t.a.c. there will also most likely be a advanced version for each of the vehicles for all 4 races and may even have multiple versions for each class of vehicle. so a standard vehicle, a advanced version, a prototype and maybe even specialization vehicles. so for lavs for instance you would have a basic lav, a logi lav, a ECM based lav, maybe even scout cloak capable lavs? for the HAV an anti vehicle weapon (rails, heavy missiles , beam lasers and artillery) and anti infantry/light vehicle weapon ( rockets?, blaster, auto cannons and pulse lasers) etc. for each race, with their own light and heavy damage weapon based on the pre-existing lore for weapons of choice for the 4 races parity simply will mean that if I am a caldari or a minmatar I would have a suit of choice, weapon for my play style and vehicle options based on what race I want to be ( role players dream ) in case what I said was misread or kinda vague on how I wrote it originally
Debacle Nano BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 648	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:59:00 - [27] - Quote Gimmie bayonets. Closed beta anyone?
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:08:00 - [28] - Quote Racial parity is paper dolls in this game, unless they start handing out bonuses for racial purity. That is, the more faithful you are to your chosen race's tech, the bigger specific racial bonus you get. Otherwise, full-on dumb. Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 726	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:13:00 - [29] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Amarr are getting a AV lance. That is all. If this is true, then I revoke my statement on the pointlessness of racial parity in regards to melee weapons. The AV lance would have a completely different function entirely. I am still unsure what you could do with the other two races though. A knife is a knife. We're not sure if at this point it is a melee weapon or not. Names seems to be the Scrambler Lance, and I recall Lance being used in other games as a name for sniper rifles and such. Basically, it could be anything. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4476	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:15:00 - [30] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I don't think the amarr melee weapon should be a glove. I want a bible to smack people over the head with. I'm not Amarr but that's ******* awesome. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1429	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:20:00 - [31] - Quote Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6888	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:21:00 - [32] - Quote Yes. Every race eve side has access of every variant of turret, despite their intended purpose each race has one of every kind of weapon, frame, etc. You may not understand why we need any weapon other than Nova knives? I wonder why the Caldari even have then given their racial combat doctrine. And why shouldn't the Amarr have something? They are more likely to use superfluous ceremonial swords and knives than most other societies. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:23:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. If racial decisions somehow affected gameplay, they would matter, but if you use your race's best gear and just get plowed by someone who's using what costs the most AUR (which, by the way, is EXACTLY how this game functions), your race sucks and you need to move on to what works. Racial parity is downright silly. Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:29:00 - [34] - Quote It is entirely necceaary, we play an FPS/MMO, unlike say EvE or WoW its not your suit/race/ship or base that determines who you are, its the weapon you wield, wether it be shotgun or sniper your weapon detemines more about your style then your suit does. You can make up for the shortfalls of your suit, but you can't make up for the short comings of a your shotgun. This is the base reason you need racial parity, in EvE you get racial variation of each hull type, down here you currently only have 1 shotgun, 1 only real way of playing that class. Racial parity is important because every unique, more so than just their suits. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:31:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:33:00 - [36] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing. Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:37:00 - [37] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing. Please explain. As I explained in 3 above post, it's not window dressing when it can determine how people can use the same 'group' of weapons. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4545	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:43:00 - [38] - Quote All races should have some form of common weapon type. I.e. Close range weapon (close range depending on race) and long range (which is also dependent on race) All races should have some form of Light AV but specific weapons and functions no. For example, all races should not have a Mass driver. Now they can have something that fills the same purpose of a mass driver but not an exact copy and paste. Just for the most basic of things all races should have their own version of, that's all.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:46:00 - [39] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: All races should have some form of common weapon type. I.e. Close range weapon (close range depending on race) and long range (which is also dependent on race) All races should have some form of Light AV but specific weapons and functions no. For example, all races should not have a Mass driver. Now they can have something that fills the same purpose of a mass driver but not an exact copy and paste. Just for the most basic of things all races should have their own version of, that's all. Yeah you would have a Caldari AOE weapon that is for AI uses, but it would be unique in operation and uses and range. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:52:00 - [40] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing. Please explain. As I explained in 3 above post, it's not window dressing when it can determine how people can use the same 'group' of weapons. It's just another way to imaginarily obfuscate the data that determines an equipment's effectiveness. It doesn't matter what race a weapon is if it does X damage. Why was everyone Caldari Logi for so long? Because they liked the color scheme? I remember not so long ago all these people going off on the Nova Knife event about the mystique of knifers. I have been playing this, this, thing since open beta (we're now in WIDE open beta, it seems), and I have been offed by super-duper experts with knives less than 8 times. I've been splattered by green recruits with Logi suits and rail rifles more times than HAL 9000 could count. Bottom line: you either play Logi with a Rail Rifle, or you're just imagining some reason to do so, because the LogiRR is the best way to get kills in this, this, thing. And dead opponents are the least likely to bother you. TL;DR: If going all Amarr lets me kill Caldari Logis with RRs at an appreciable rate, I'm in. Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:07:00 - [41] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing. Please explain. As I explained in 3 above post, it's not window dressing when it can determine how people can use the same 'group' of weapons. It's just another way to imaginarily obfuscate the data that determines an equipment's effectiveness. It doesn't matter what race a weapon is if it does X damage. Why was everyone Caldari Logi for so long? Because they liked the color scheme? I remember not so long ago all these people going off on the Nova Knife event about the mystique of knifers. I have been playing this, this, thing since open beta (we're now in WIDE open beta, it seems), and I have been offed by super-duper experts with knives less than 8 times. I've been splattered by green recruits with Logi suits and rail rifles more times than HAL 9000 could count. Bottom line: you either play Logi with a Rail Rifle, or you're just imagining some reason to do so, because the LogiRR is the best way to get kills in this, this, thing. And dead opponents are the least likely to bother you. TL;DR: If going all Amarr lets me kill Caldari Logis with RRs at an appreciable rate, I'm in. That make no impact on racial parity, wether a set of weapins is balanced against another set of weapons is a different issue, one that needs addressing but not relevant to racial parity. But since you want to use the rifles, lets use the rifles. Let's start with the GAR, as of 1.8 the GAR will have the highest suistained DPS, it has the capacity to shoot for the longest period of time without stopping. It also has the shortest range. The gun favours suppresive shooting where the user fires large quantities of round so the enemy has little chance to retaliate. It works best when you have someone moving to flank. Then we have the CR its burst fire and HROF make it for perfect for short engagements, cover to cover, you get the rounds down range as quickly as possible before you need to dive back to cover. There is the ScR, King of Burst DPS, its high damage and charge functions allow for a quick reaction to new threats the other rifles don't allow. Uts the best weapon to stand in the open with. Finally the rail rifle, wether its overpowered or not, you don't want to use this weaponnwhen your enemy has seen you first, this is a weapon best used at the edge of its range where no one else can retaliate, its all about getting the right angle. 4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:21:00 - [42] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: 4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon. So, of those four, which one do you use most? Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:29:00 - [43] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon. So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:42:00 - [44] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon. So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most? Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1915	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:44:00 - [45] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon. So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most? Combat Rifle, I like the burst fire. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 31	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:55:00 - [46] - Quote I dont want a minmatar scrambler rifle or a Gallente rail rifle XD your view of racial parity sucks
Onesimus Tarsus 1172	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:58:00 - [47] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon. So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most? Combat Rifle, I like the burst fire. So, if they took the other three out, you wouldn't mind that much. There is no need for parity in the face of maximum effectiveness. CCP blathers on (along with a great chunk of the forum-base) that people have to live with their decisions. Yet you choose a race at the beginning of the game and it has jack zip zero to do with anything. Your choice of skills and weapons does, but race doesn't. If your very race has nothing to do with combat effectiveness, then the race of a weapon has nothing to do with it. The race element is just and only a way for CCP to get some people to spend the same SP four times and to keep the reason for winning as murky and indecipherable as possible. They simply want the player-base doubting their choices constantly, so that they spend money here trying to win at pewpew. Right now, somewhere, there's a spreadsheet measuring how much money is spent getting the FOTM. When that number plateaus, a new FOTM will be introduced, especially if they feel like people have leveraged a ton of SP into it. You'll get your racial parity just and only when Farmville economics says you will, and not one second earlier. Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1917	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:01:00 - [48] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: I dont want a minmatar scrambler rifle or a Gallente rail rifle XD your view of racial parity sucks implied facepalm Minmatar Scrambler Rifle - Tac Combat Rifle (to be released) Gallante Rail Rifle - Breach Assaulr Rifle Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1917	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:24:00 - [49] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most? Combat Rifle, I like the burst fire. So, if they took the other three out, you wouldn't mind that much. There is no need for parity in the face of maximum effectiveness. CCP blathers on (along with a great chunk of the forum-base) that people have to live with their decisions. Yet you choose a race at the beginning of the game and it has jack zip zero to do with anything. Your choice of skills and weapons does, but race doesn't. If your very race has nothing to do with combat effectiveness, then the race of a weapon has nothing to do with it. The race element is just and only a way for CCP to get some people to spend the same SP four times and to keep the reason for winning as murky and indecipherable as possible. They simply want the player-base doubting their choices constantly, so that they spend money here trying to win at pewpew. Right now, somewhere, there's a spreadsheet measuring how much money is spent getting the FOTM. When that number plateaus, a new FOTM will be introduced, especially if they feel like people have leveraged a ton of SP into it. You'll get your racial parity just and only when Farmville economics says you will, and not one second earlier. I you removed the other 3 rifles I would be very peeved, those RR who had been easy pray are now gone, and I don't get the rush from beating ScR user, the game becomes dull and pointless. Not to mention the people who use the other rifles will be pssed, take a step back and think of more than just your own choices there are AT least 4000 people playing this game. Does it not occur to you there are too many statistics for a singular weapon of maximum effectiveness. There is no one weapon, there is nod BLOPS2 AN94 there is no clear cut winner. The rail rifle is popular because it effective against the most popular tank type. Just like fluxes and locus grenades fall in out of contention. You want your race to effect your gameplay? So you want the first thing you choose as a new uniformed, inexperienced player to shape your character for the rest of your time in game? Great Idea, I wonder why CCP haven't decided to implement it. I mean its not like we are all clone jumped into the exact same clones with different suits. What enjoy most is your belief that the races are a marketing ploy, Thats inspired, in a game where there no set win conditions where there is no end to reach the fact you think the races exsist to stop you reaching an impossible destination is fantastic. There is no WINNING, there is only what you percieve to be winning. For some its KDR For some its SP For some, like me it's ISK. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1


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