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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:20:00 -
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Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:21:00 -
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Yes. Every race eve side has access of every variant of turret, despite their intended purpose each race has one of every kind of weapon, frame, etc.
You may not understand why we need any weapon other than Nova knives? I wonder why the Caldari even have then given their racial combat doctrine.
And why shouldn't the Amarr have something? They are more likely to use superfluous ceremonial swords and knives than most other societies.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking.
If racial decisions somehow affected gameplay, they would matter, but if you use your race's best gear and just get plowed by someone who's using what costs the most AUR (which, by the way, is EXACTLY how this game functions), your race sucks and you need to move on to what works.
Racial parity is downright silly.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:29:00 -
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It is entirely necceaary, we play an FPS/MMO, unlike say EvE or WoW its not your suit/race/ship or base that determines who you are, its the weapon you wield, wether it be shotgun or sniper your weapon detemines more about your style then your suit does. You can make up for the shortfalls of your suit, but you can't make up for the short comings of a your shotgun.
This is the base reason you need racial parity, in EvE you get racial variation of each hull type, down here you currently only have 1 shotgun, 1 only real way of playing that class. Racial parity is important because every unique, more so than just their suits.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:31:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking.
Racial Parity is an MMO element.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:33:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element.
Nope, it's window dressing.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:37:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing.
Please explain. As I explained in 3 above post, it's not window dressing when it can determine how people can use the same 'group' of weapons.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:43:00 -
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All races should have some form of common weapon type. I.e. Close range weapon (close range depending on race) and long range (which is also dependent on race)
All races should have some form of Light AV but specific weapons and functions no. For example, all races should not have a Mass driver. Now they can have something that fills the same purpose of a mass driver but not an exact copy and paste.
Just for the most basic of things all races should have their own version of, that's all. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:46:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:All races should have some form of common weapon type. I.e. Close range weapon (close range depending on race) and long range (which is also dependent on race)
All races should have some form of Light AV but specific weapons and functions no. For example, all races should not have a Mass driver. Now they can have something that fills the same purpose of a mass driver but not an exact copy and paste.
Just for the most basic of things all races should have their own version of, that's all.
Yeah you would have a Caldari AOE weapon that is for AI uses, but it would be unique in operation and uses and range.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:52:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing. Please explain. As I explained in 3 above post, it's not window dressing when it can determine how people can use the same 'group' of weapons.
It's just another way to imaginarily obfuscate the data that determines an equipment's effectiveness. It doesn't matter what race a weapon is if it does X damage. Why was everyone Caldari Logi for so long? Because they liked the color scheme? I remember not so long ago all these people going off on the Nova Knife event about the mystique of knifers. I have been playing this, this, thing since open beta (we're now in WIDE open beta, it seems), and I have been offed by super-duper experts with knives less than 8 times. I've been splattered by green recruits with Logi suits and rail rifles more times than HAL 9000 could count. Bottom line: you either play Logi with a Rail Rifle, or you're just imagining some reason to do so, because the LogiRR is the best way to get kills in this, this, thing. And dead opponents are the least likely to bother you.
TL;DR: If going all Amarr lets me kill Caldari Logis with RRs at an appreciable rate, I'm in.
Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock and Hulk Hogan.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:07:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Racial parity is kinda a weird obsession. It's nowhere near as important as the MMO elements of the game which are sorely lacking. Racial Parity is an MMO element. Nope, it's window dressing. Please explain. As I explained in 3 above post, it's not window dressing when it can determine how people can use the same 'group' of weapons. It's just another way to imaginarily obfuscate the data that determines an equipment's effectiveness. It doesn't matter what race a weapon is if it does X damage. Why was everyone Caldari Logi for so long? Because they liked the color scheme? I remember not so long ago all these people going off on the Nova Knife event about the mystique of knifers. I have been playing this, this, thing since open beta (we're now in WIDE open beta, it seems), and I have been offed by super-duper experts with knives less than 8 times. I've been splattered by green recruits with Logi suits and rail rifles more times than HAL 9000 could count. Bottom line: you either play Logi with a Rail Rifle, or you're just imagining some reason to do so, because the LogiRR is the best way to get kills in this, this, thing. And dead opponents are the least likely to bother you. TL;DR: If going all Amarr lets me kill Caldari Logis with RRs at an appreciable rate, I'm in.
That make no impact on racial parity, wether a set of weapins is balanced against another set of weapons is a different issue, one that needs addressing but not relevant to racial parity. But since you want to use the rifles, lets use the rifles. Let's start with the GAR, as of 1.8 the GAR will have the highest suistained DPS, it has the capacity to shoot for the longest period of time without stopping. It also has the shortest range. The gun favours suppresive shooting where the user fires large quantities of round so the enemy has little chance to retaliate. It works best when you have someone moving to flank.
Then we have the CR its burst fire and HROF make it for perfect for short engagements, cover to cover, you get the rounds down range as quickly as possible before you need to dive back to cover.
There is the ScR, King of Burst DPS, its high damage and charge functions allow for a quick reaction to new threats the other rifles don't allow. Uts the best weapon to stand in the open with.
Finally the rail rifle, wether its overpowered or not, you don't want to use this weaponnwhen your enemy has seen you first, this is a weapon best used at the edge of its range where no one else can retaliate, its all about getting the right angle.
4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:21:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon.
So, of those four, which one do you use most?
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:29:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon.
So, of those four, which one do you use most?
I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR.
There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:42:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon.
So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity.
Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most?
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:44:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon.
So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most?
Combat Rifle, I like the burst fire.
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jhon hartigan
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:55:00 -
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I dont want a minmatar scrambler rifle or a Gallente rail rifle XD your view of racial parity sucks |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:58:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
4 weapons 4 styles, 1 Base weapon.
So, of those four, which one do you use most? I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most? Combat Rifle, I like the burst fire.
So, if they took the other three out, you wouldn't mind that much. There is no need for parity in the face of maximum effectiveness. CCP blathers on (along with a great chunk of the forum-base) that people have to live with their decisions. Yet you choose a race at the beginning of the game and it has jack zip zero to do with anything. Your choice of skills and weapons does, but race doesn't. If your very race has nothing to do with combat effectiveness, then the race of a weapon has nothing to do with it. The race element is just and only a way for CCP to get some people to spend the same SP four times and to keep the reason for winning as murky and indecipherable as possible. They simply want the player-base doubting their choices constantly, so that they spend money here trying to win at pewpew. Right now, somewhere, there's a spreadsheet measuring how much money is spent getting the FOTM. When that number plateaus, a new FOTM will be introduced, especially if they feel like people have leveraged a ton of SP into it. You'll get your racial parity just and only when Farmville economics says you will, and not one second earlier.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.11 01:01:00 -
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jhon hartigan wrote:I dont want a minmatar scrambler rifle or a Gallente rail rifle XD your view of racial parity sucks *implied facepalm*
Minmatar Scrambler Rifle - Tac Combat Rifle (to be released) Gallante Rail Rifle - Breach Assaulr Rifle
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.11 01:24:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: So, of those four, which one do you use most?
I use the Mass Driver, whats your point? If you are trying to say everyone uses the RR, you should probably talk to the Amarrians who kicked up a storm when they were gonna loose their heat reduction bonus, or the Minmatar rejoicing that they are getting 85 rounds a clip to the ACR. There are people who will 'flock' to the FOTM the month but you will find the majority of the player believes in the "this is my rifle" mantra. The only people who moved to the RR were GAR users who got severly gimped, but that's balance not parity. Mass driver wasn't on the list. So, of those four listed, which one do you use the most? Combat Rifle, I like the burst fire. So, if they took the other three out, you wouldn't mind that much. There is no need for parity in the face of maximum effectiveness. CCP blathers on (along with a great chunk of the forum-base) that people have to live with their decisions. Yet you choose a race at the beginning of the game and it has jack zip zero to do with anything. Your choice of skills and weapons does, but race doesn't. If your very race has nothing to do with combat effectiveness, then the race of a weapon has nothing to do with it. The race element is just and only a way for CCP to get some people to spend the same SP four times and to keep the reason for winning as murky and indecipherable as possible. They simply want the player-base doubting their choices constantly, so that they spend money here trying to win at pewpew. Right now, somewhere, there's a spreadsheet measuring how much money is spent getting the FOTM. When that number plateaus, a new FOTM will be introduced, especially if they feel like people have leveraged a ton of SP into it. You'll get your racial parity just and only when Farmville economics says you will, and not one second earlier.
I you removed the other 3 rifles I would be very peeved, those RR who had been easy pray are now gone, and I don't get the rush from beating ScR user, the game becomes dull and pointless. Not to mention the people who use the other rifles will be p*ssed, take a step back and think of more than just your own choices there are AT least 4000 people playing this game. Does it not occur to you there are too many statistics for a singular weapon of maximum effectiveness.
There is no one weapon, there is nod BLOPS2 AN94 there is no clear cut winner. The rail rifle is popular because it effective against the most popular tank type. Just like fluxes and locus grenades fall in out of contention.
You want your race to effect your gameplay? So you want the first thing you choose as a new uniformed, inexperienced player to shape your character for the rest of your time in game? Great Idea, I wonder why CCP haven't decided to implement it. I mean its not like we are all clone jumped into the exact same clones with different suits. What enjoy most is your belief that the races are a marketing ploy, Thats inspired, in a game where there no set win conditions where there is no end to reach the fact you think the races exsist to stop you reaching an impossible destination is fantastic.
There is no WINNING, there is only what you percieve to be winning. For some its KDR For some its SP For some, like me it's ISK.
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