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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
2185
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:50:00 -
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Seriously a gunnlogi with a blaster and 2 small advanced missiles will allmost allways win in a tank fight due to more possible damage output. Yes i do have little to none skills into vehicles but as experienced tanker i know that having 3 turrets is allways better then having 1 turret. Sure you could argue that you dont want blueberrys in your tank cause they could prevent you from recalling your vehicle or god forbid steal it when you hop out. But considering the price for tanks does it actually matter now?
I find it kinda pathetic that the so called "tankers" now dont fit small turrets anymore but instead put everything on either gank or full on tank. The balance between that is the key. Having decent firepower and tank will allways trump a pure tank or gank fitted vehicle. So yes solo operated tank (1 turret=1 seat) is for scrubs.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
2922
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:51:00 -
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Shield Recommendations
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
6850
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:53:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Seriously a gunnlogi with a blaster and 2 small advanced missiles will allmost allways win in a tank fight due to more possible damage output. Yes i do have little to none skills into vehicles but as experienced tanker i know that having 3 turrets is allways better then having 1 turret. Sure you could argue that you dont want blueberrys in your tank cause they could prevent you from recalling your vehicle or god forbid steal it when you hop out. But considering the price for tanks does it actually matter now?
I find it kinda pathetic that the so called "tankers" now dont fit small turrets anymore but instead put everything on either gank or full on tank. The balance between that is the key. Having decent firepower and tank will allways trump a pure tank or gank fitted vehicle. So yes solo operated tank (1 turret=1 seat) is for scrubs.
Yeah I know. About 3 weeks after 1.7 dropped I was incredibly disillusioned with tanking, even the slightest random aspect of tanking would get me interested again..... then I saw it.
A 3 man Gunlogi with Blaster and 2x Railguns...... ripped my tank a part in seconds and left me grinning from ear to ear. AMAZINGLY Potent stuff.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
903
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:07:00 -
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The problem is finding two other competent pilots and not getting blapped by rails due to lower defenses. Same goes for ADSs, I've seen Pvt Nummnutz wreck tanks in seconds with two gunners in a Python, the problem is it cuts way too much into the defenses, needs competent gunners, and rail tanks are always a problem.
Dropship Specialist
Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 3 Gêå1; Other DS: 31 Gêå2; Tanks: 33 Gêå2
2/2
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2092
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:30:00 -
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If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
275
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:32:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Seriously a gunnlogi with a blaster and 2 small advanced missiles will allmost allways win in a tank fight due to more possible damage output. Yes i do have little to none skills into vehicles but as experienced tanker i know that having 3 turrets is allways better then having 1 turret. Sure you could argue that you dont want blueberrys in your tank cause they could prevent you from recalling your vehicle or god forbid steal it when you hop out. But considering the price for tanks does it actually matter now?
I find it kinda pathetic that the so called "tankers" now dont fit small turrets anymore but instead put everything on either gank or full on tank. The balance between that is the key. Having decent firepower and tank will allways trump a pure tank or gank fitted vehicle. So yes solo operated tank (1 turret=1 seat) is for scrubs.
Nope had months of blueberries sitting in my tanks shooting at nothing, refusing to get out or otherwise getting me killed, I'd rather spend my pg/CPU on something other than a nest for the clinically ********. |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
490
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:36:00 -
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Try fitting a Madrugar with a gunner, let alone two. It is starved for CPU. I had to reduce my complex modules to basic and advanced in order to just fit a Railgun and a Blaster (blaster because it has the least amount of CPU required). Putting in two missile gunners would hamper my fitting greatly.
Gunnlogis do not have this problem obviously. They have far greater CPU and can utilize their Low slots to improve their CPU/PG if necessary. |
Sgt Buttscratch
lcritMYpantS
1493
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:44:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
Gospel
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
904
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:48:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
So my Gunnlogi suddenly becomes usable and now I'm a scrub? Besides, the blueberries are incapable of handling any tank on their own, I had to do something.
ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...
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XxWarlordxX97
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
4163
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:49:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
Best post in this thread
Hello reddots >:)
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Beld Errmon
0uter.Heaven
1302
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:50:00 -
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Theres a reason you don't see that many state gunnlogis or federation maddys getting around, gunner turrets really gimp your fit, i'd be happy to roll around with some passenger seats but not with the current cost. |
SGT NOVA STAR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
212
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Posted - 2014.02.10 05:42:00 -
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Yes putting small turrets does lower your true defensive potential....However! once you start maxing out your armor AND shield fitting optimization skills AND turret fitting optimization skills, you'll slowly start to see a tanks true potential. I can tell my corp mates to gun for me. Nothing like 2 small xt missile launchers helping you out.
VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
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Ninjanomyx
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
553
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Posted - 2014.02.10 06:13:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Yes putting small turrets does lower your true defensive potential....However! once you start maxing out your armor AND shield fitting optimization skills AND turret fitting optimization skills, you'll slowly start to see a tanks true potential. I can tell my corp mates to gun for me. Nothing like 2 small xt missile launchers helping you out.
Agreed when Squadded, but dem blues doe......... |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1351
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Posted - 2014.02.10 06:16:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
What if I had the the tank alt for Weeks before 1.7 but never used it untill 1.7?
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2095
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Posted - 2014.02.10 06:22:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Yes putting small turrets does lower your true defensive potential....However! once you start maxing out your armor AND shield fitting optimization skills AND turret fitting optimization skills, you'll slowly start to see a tanks true potential. I can tell my corp mates to gun for me. Nothing like 2 small xt missile launchers helping you out. Message from Godin: He says you are disregarding Madrugars. He says it doesn't make a difference.
Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
0uter.Heaven
364
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Posted - 2014.02.10 06:32:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Yes putting small turrets does lower your true defensive potential....However! once you start maxing out your armor AND shield fitting optimization skills AND turret fitting optimization skills, you'll slowly start to see a tanks true potential. I can tell my corp mates to gun for me. Nothing like 2 small xt missile launchers helping you out. Message from Godin: He says you are disregarding Madrugars. He says it doesn't make a difference.
Message from Everyone: Why dafuq does he post like that?
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
319
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Posted - 2014.02.10 06:42:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Yes putting small turrets does lower your true defensive potential....However! once you start maxing out your armor AND shield fitting optimization skills AND turret fitting optimization skills, you'll slowly start to see a tanks true potential. I can tell my corp mates to gun for me. Nothing like 2 small xt missile launchers helping you out. Message from Godin: He says you are disregarding Madrugars. He says it doesn't make a difference. Message from Everyone: Why dafuq does he post like that?
I dunno I kind of like it because all I need to read is 'Message from Godin' and realize it's nothing interesting and move on to the next post.
32db Mad Bomber.
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Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
246
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Posted - 2014.02.10 07:03:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
What if I had the the tank alt for Weeks before 1.7 but never used it untill 1.7?
Same for me. I made a HAV alt months ago, but never really did anything with it because I didn't have enough SP to really get into HAVs. When 1.7 came out I had a cool 7m SP to spend on HAVs and a bit into Assault Dropships. After dicking around with Blasters and Rail Guns, I settled on focusing everything on Large Missiles. XT-201 Gunnlogi for life.
FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9240
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Posted - 2014.02.10 07:08:00 -
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This would require the tanker to not be demanding that they can do everything solo.
ZATARA CARRIES US ALL
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
MAG Raven
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4438
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Posted - 2014.02.10 07:34:00 -
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Extra turrets are great!
...until you realise that not everyone brings squadmates and blueberries in the turrets can wreck any semblance of planning for a lot of tanker strategies.
I usually run - even when not squadded with friends - a tank with a full complement of turrets, and only rarely cut back to 2 for a couple of tighter fittings. |
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
911
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Posted - 2014.02.10 07:55:00 -
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idgaf what you put on your tank. im still gonna be behind you with a triple damage mod particle cannon or a double damage mod mlt rail.
How to get likes: post QQ reply to every thread where a PC corps players post claiming they only win cus "FOTM"
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Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
246
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:15:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:idgaf what you put on your tank. im still gonna be behind you with a triple damage mod particle cannon or a double damage mod mlt rail.
That's a pretty ****** fitting to be doing close combat with. Sure you have huge damage potential, but even Large Missiles can tear you apart if you don't use a Shield Hardener, and once your Damage Mods are on cooldown, you're extremely vulnerable. But I'm sure you knew that already. Plus, you're rarely going to take out any competent HAV pilot from behind. That being said, you could probably count the number of decent HAV pilots in this game on one hand; everyone else thinks they are hot-**** in their crappy Sica and Rail fittings.
FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
212
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:02:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:idgaf what you put on your tank. im still gonna be behind you with a triple damage mod particle cannon or a double damage mod mlt rail.
This is exactly why my only Gunnlogi fit is a triple hardener. Anything else and damge mods always win.
Sage /thread
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13037
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:09:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Seriously a gunnlogi with a blaster and 2 small advanced missiles will allmost allways win in a tank fight due to more possible damage output. Yes i do have little to none skills into vehicles but as experienced tanker i know that having 3 turrets is allways better then having 1 turret. Sure you could argue that you dont want blueberrys in your tank cause they could prevent you from recalling your vehicle or god forbid steal it when you hop out. But considering the price for tanks does it actually matter now?
I find it kinda pathetic that the so called "tankers" now dont fit small turrets anymore but instead put everything on either gank or full on tank. The balance between that is the key. Having decent firepower and tank will allways trump a pure tank or gank fitted vehicle. So yes solo operated tank (1 turret=1 seat) is for scrubs.
I shot a tank with three turrets on it once.
Once was all it took.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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thomas mak
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
33
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:25:00 -
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you call in a tank with small turret when you have a relineable squad(no mic, no talk, while I don't have mic lol, I run no s turret tanks, but NVM) there's some thing you need to have/think about when you call in a tank with small turret -your squad should be able to full up your tank(or blueberrie steal it) -your squad member should be able to hear you and should listen to you(such as 'get off the tank', 'target the xxxx tank/AV guy' -you should go to SD time by time that small turret have much less ammo -you should not distroy a LAV by rimming that it will cost your teammate sitting in front of the tank die(like realy, I killed many teammate already, R.I.P.) -you should put same kind of small turret as your large turret, IF you want a damage mod(don't think small blaster can't distroy a tank, they just can't break shield's regen, but you can(large turret?), and they do 500DPS per basic turret and increast 100DPS per tier(2 small blaster can give you 1000 extra DPS and 1300 with damage mod(mit or basic)
this is a message from a (realy bad English learning) tanker to all people who drive a tank who want to fit small turret onto tanks
Real tanker dies with their tanks!
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2629
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:28:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Seriously a gunnlogi with a blaster and 2 small advanced missiles will allmost allways win in a tank fight due to more possible damage output. Yes i do have little to none skills into vehicles but as experienced tanker i know that having 3 turrets is allways better then having 1 turret. Sure you could argue that you dont want blueberrys in your tank cause they could prevent you from recalling your vehicle or god forbid steal it when you hop out. But considering the price for tanks does it actually matter now?
I find it kinda pathetic that the so called "tankers" now dont fit small turrets anymore but instead put everything on either gank or full on tank. The balance between that is the key. Having decent firepower and tank will allways trump a pure tank or gank fitted vehicle. So yes solo operated tank (1 turret=1 seat) is for scrubs. Nope had months of blueberries sitting in my tanks shooting at nothing, refusing to get out or otherwise getting me killed, I'd rather spend my pg/CPU on something other than a nest for the clinically ********.
This and never again.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2102
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:33:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Yes putting small turrets does lower your true defensive potential....However! once you start maxing out your armor AND shield fitting optimization skills AND turret fitting optimization skills, you'll slowly start to see a tanks true potential. I can tell my corp mates to gun for me. Nothing like 2 small xt missile launchers helping you out. Message from Godin: He says you are disregarding Madrugars. He says it doesn't make a difference. Message from Everyone: Why dafuq does he post like that? Because his main acct is b& from the forums. I was talking to him on IRC, and he asked me for a favor.
Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
157
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:37:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:If you suddenly became a "tanker" a few weeks after 1.7 you are a scrub.
This
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
40
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:58:00 -
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Back in 1.4 I decided to take on the role of side-gunner. I maxed out all the small turret skills and would wear a heavy suit with HMG or forge (pilots choice) incase they wanted me to get out and deal with something specific. Mostly I just asked pilots "What can I do for you?" And would give them half of the ISK I earnt at the end of the session.
It was fun but ultimately come 1.7 its less effective than just fielding 3 tanks and being organised.
My tanking alt does have a few passenger builds set up around working as a 3 man crew, and have gotten some use out of the federation maddy. Having your gunners run Lai Dais so you rush the enemy tank and once contact is made they bail and bring a world of hurt.
Ultimately for gunners to have a real place though the combination needs to be greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe when we get pilot suits if the gunners wear suits also it will provide another boost to the vehicle. Or just let infantry shoot whatever they want from the seat. A dropship with 3 breach forges shooting out from one side instapopping tanks? Yes please. That would be a fantastic use of dropships as they could all charge with the squad leader giving the order to fire, and would require 4 players to do. Teamwork FTW. Before anybody says anything about snipers, any DS that stops long enough and high enough for a sniper is gonna get a Forge/Rail to the engines.
The idea of making the large turret have to be operated by another pilot is silly though. Next people will want heavies to need another logi to feed rounds into the HMG.
Actually... If I could do that forge thing I would drop everything and just be a pilot... For some reason Assault dropships are CQC vehicles... Go figure. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2014.02.10 11:46:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Seriously a gunnlogi with a blaster and 2 small advanced missiles will allmost allways win in a tank fight due to more possible damage output. Yes i do have little to none skills into vehicles but as experienced tanker i know that having 3 turrets is allways better then having 1 turret. Sure you could argue that you dont want blueberrys in your tank cause they could prevent you from recalling your vehicle or god forbid steal it when you hop out. But considering the price for tanks does it actually matter now?
I find it kinda pathetic that the so called "tankers" now dont fit small turrets anymore but instead put everything on either gank or full on tank. The balance between that is the key. Having decent firepower and tank will allways trump a pure tank or gank fitted vehicle. So yes solo operated tank (1 turret=1 seat) is for scrubs.
turrets really limit you on tank or other fittings with a very moderate increase in dmg, that could be out done by dmg mods. the real benefit of turrets on a blaster fit are not the turrets them selfs but the seats for pocket forge gunners or PLCs. All that said its less helpful for your teem to have men in your tank them on the field.....I find your argument with out merit.
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