"And the Scriptures have foretold, of Shadows in the cold,
That when brothers wage war come unfurled!
The Gallente, Bane of Kings, ancient shadow unbound,
With a hunger to swallow the world!"

Hopefully when they adjust weapon damage this gets fixed, since you still have to shoot the same amount of times an the minimal increase in damage from std to proto really means nothing, also with stun locking our proficiency rof bonus means nothing considering as soon as you fire your first shot a smart player just jumps forward an turns an shoots an the stun lock prevents your second shot.

It's barely usable on adv suits let alone trying to drop protos, quite frustrating especially since I wasted points going pro 4 at the beginning of uprising thinking it would be the chrome sg I put points in an have be stuck with it ever since.

It can be ok but for some reason theirs more sensitivity with the r3 button when tracking with a sg than any other gun an I always throw a melee that gets me killed, very odd

Better idea for fixing the shotgun, I just realized- adding more pellets will only worsen hit detection, as the game has to make a calculation for each individual pellet, so instead, keep pellets constant, but increase the damage by the equivalent of 3 pellets per level you go up (ADV would be the equivalent of 42x3 damage stronger, PRO would be 44x6 damage stronger). The operation skill should be a 5% increase to fire rate per level, proficiency should be a 3% increase to shield damage per level. Then, we have a fixed weapon.

Better idea for fixing the shotgun, I just realized- adding more pellets will only worsen hit detection, as the game has to make a calculation for each individual pellet, so instead, keep pellets constant, but increase the damage by the equivalent of 3 pellets per level you go up (ADV would be the equivalent of 42x3 damage stronger, PRO would be 44x6 damage stronger). The operation skill should be a 5% increase to fire rate per level, proficiency should be a 3% increase to shield damage per level. Then, we have a fixed weapon.

I dont think hit detection has anything to do with pellet count. The HMG shoots at 2400 RPM, thats 40 bullets a second, burst HMG shoots at 4615.38 RPM which is ~77 rounds a second and that registers just fine
Also a bonus to shield damage sounds pretty useless IMO

I dont think hit detection has anything to do with pellet count. The HMG shoots at 2400 RPM, thats 40 bullets a second, burst HMG shoots at 4615.38 RPM which is ~77 rounds a second and that registers just fine
Also a bonus to shield damage sounds pretty useless IMO

The problem is that they are all getting calculated simulatneously, while the HMG gets even a tiny millisecond between each calculation, which is all it needs. Also, for the proficiency, all proficiency is getting changed in 1.8 to either shield or armor bonuses instead of just raw damage output

But dust runs at lower than 30 fps so HMG shots have to register at the same time.
The proficiency change wasent confirmed, they just said they were looking at changing proficiency

Either speed up the rof an leave the damage , or change the damage an leave the rof, they conflict

Not true. Shotgun needs more damage and a bit more range
A rof bonus would still work fine for proficiency

So 1100 dmg per shot for a proto shotgun, seems legit

After using shotguns for a few months now I think something needs to change to make them more competitive. Sure you can do good against millitia and standard suits, but advanced and proto suits can take up to 3 shots at point blank range, heavies often take 3-4.
So I propose shotguns get the following changes.

Damage:
40 per pellet std/adv/proto
50 per pellet breach std/adv/proto

Pellets:
10/13/15 std/adv/proto

Range:
+1 meter across the board

Operations skill:
+1 pellet per level

Proficiency:
+3% damage per level
Or
+3-5% Rof level
Or
+2-3% range per level
Im not to sure what the proficiency should be.

ADS:
ADS should do something, mabey slightly tighten the spread for people who will miss the current spread reduction skill

Good running with you the other day. There really needs to be adjustments to the SG skill tree. I like your ideas. I'll think about it more.

Hopefully when they adjust weapon damage this gets fixed, since you still have to shoot the same amount of times an the minimal increase in damage from std to proto really means nothing, also with stun locking our proficiency rof bonus means nothing considering as soon as you fire your first shot a smart player just jumps forward an turns an shoots an the stun lock prevents your second shot.

It's barely usable on adv suits let alone trying to drop protos, quite frustrating especially since I wasted points going pro 4 at the beginning of uprising thinking it would be the chrome sg I put points in an have be stuck with it ever since.

It can be ok but for some reason theirs more sensitivity with the r3 button when tracking with a sg than any other gun an I always throw a melee that gets me killed, very odd

Shotgun user here, and I say that is wayyyy to much dmg.

Heavies should not be less then 3 shotted.

Mediums should AT MOST be 2 shotted.

Not true. Shotgun needs more damage and a bit more range
A rof bonus would still work fine for proficiency

Shotgun user here, and I say that is wayyyy to much dmg.

Heavies should not be less then 3 shotted.

Mediums should AT MOST be 2 shotted.

I am al for the damage increase.
But I am a bit torn about the range increase even only a meter.

As a scout with about 250hp and a SG I kind of like the fact that I need to get into some ones face to shoot it off.
The fact that at curent many heavies just turn and fart my way after the second blast is crap I deserv that kill.

However if you increase the range and buff the damage at the same oh well I belive you get it.