DUST Search - Galllente Assaults and Shotguns

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

It has lots of low slots, so I would assume putting complex dampener and complex kinetic catalyzer (needed for a good shotgun suit) shouldn't be a problem.

I don't see how someone could really be ok with their assault suit only having a bonus to one weapon.

3 weapons

AR has a pretty wide kick and dispersion at hipfire makes it nearly unreliable at longer stand off ranges along with the climb that does eventually interfere with prolonged firing.

Shotgun gains majority advantage by placing more of the damage in a tighter hole

Then the ion pistol with its backscatter and kick being high.

Here I have to disagree the AR has already little to no dispersion and kick thanks to operating and SS skill, sure you could maybe skip the SS skill but not the opration skill.

The SG has the worst skilltree of all weapons, SG's rely on spread and alpha damage. Therefore the operation skill makes the SG weaker (and the assault bonus willas well) and the proficiency bonus is fairly weak compared to ALL the other prof skills. IMHO the SG works best with no SP investment and maybe a damage mod. Seriously it's a SG not a Laser Rifle Roll

whoever thought spread reduction on a SG is a great idea needs a serious lessen in SG's.

Now to the speed thing its still stupid that gallente suits have the same speed like caldari suits sure you can boost sprint speed with kincats but thats it and thats only because of module use any suit can use kincats and thanks to stacking penalties using more than two is a waste of CPU/PG compared to the reached benefit.

The same is true for stealth as ALLsuits of the same framesize have the same scanprofile, sure the gallente scout gets a boost to scan through his skill but all other suits have the same scanprofile like their racial counterparts.

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ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 234	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:25:00 - [31] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It has lots of low slots, so I would assume putting complex dampener and complex kinetic catalyzer (needed for a good shotgun suit) shouldn't be a problem. I don't see how someone could really be ok with their assault suit only having a bonus to one weapon. 3 weapons AR has a pretty wide kick and dispersion at hipfire makes it nearly unreliable at longer stand off ranges along with the climb that does eventually interfere with prolonged firing. Shotgun gains majority advantage by placing more of the damage in a tighter hole Then the ion pistol with its backscatter and kick being high. Here I have to disagree the AR has already little to no dispersion and kick thanks to operating and SS skill, sure you could maybe skip the SS skill but not the opration skill. The SG has the worst skilltree of all weapons, SG's rely on spread and alpha damage. Therefore the operation skill makes the SG weaker (and the assault bonus willas well) and the proficiency bonus is fairly weak compared to ALL the other prof skills. IMHO the SG works best with no SP investment and maybe a damage mod. Seriously it's a SG not a Laser Rifle whoever thought spread reduction on a SG is a great idea needs a serious lessen in SG's. Now to the speed thing its still stupid that gallente suits have the same speed like caldari suits sure you can boost sprint speed with kincats but thats it and thats only because of module use any suit can use kincats and thanks to stacking penalties using more than two is a waste of CPU/PG compared to the reached benefit. The same is true for stealth as ALLsuits of the same framesize have the same scanprofile, sure the gallente scout gets a boost to scan through his skill but all other suits have the same scanprofile like their racial counterparts. Someone else who thinks the same way on Shotguns. Me, a long time ago... "Shotgun Operation 1, this is alright. Let's get Operation 2..." One match later: "What have I done?" xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 644	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:58:00 - [32] - Quote I feel part of the issue is that we have no way of getting close except speed or stealth. Too much of the game is totally open. That is a mistake, we need a way to break these long LOS. Some kind of mobile cover would do wonders. Where is our shield bubble? Close range weapons suck because you have no way to force cqc and it is too rare in the actual maps.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 63	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:32:00 - [33] - Quote Why some people think the spread is a good thing on a shotgun? As spread is reduced, the distance you can be effective with a SG is increased. If you get closer to your target, the damage is a lot higher because it's focused. Just requires good aim.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2182	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:35:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gallente are consistently the second fastest race in New Eden. Gallente are typically the stealthiest race in New Eden as well though its not fully reflected on all aspects. Two kitkats one ferros plates one reactive plate and max out bonuses all prototyped thanks to the reduced CPU/PG fitting the skill afford and whallah. Except your not fast enough to close gaps, and you are scanned every 2 seconds, so no sneaking up on anyone. I'd rather have a 250 ehp Gallente scout then a 400 ehp Gallente assault with a shotgun. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 263	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:07:00 - [35] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Yes Fully skilled G Scout have 208-211HP. What the hell are you putting on your Gk.0s? Mine never have less than 400eHP, never have less than 6HP/s armor repair, and rarely fall under 7.50m/s sprint speed. A proto Gallente Scout is far too expensive to go running around naked. Even if you're trying to run a speed suit, it would be foolish to run around without at least a decent HP buffer. Im trying to choose right fit to a situation in which I'll be using it. For example at the beginning of match I'm taking Federation Gk.0(not so expensive) with 3 red and 1 green proto juice, and I'm sprinting(10.69m/s) to the center of the map throwing uplinks meantime. When I find myself already in the middle of the map I know that I can encounter only a Scout with identical fit with makes our engagement close to even, and we have around 5 to 15 seconds till the first wave of reinforcements will come and this time strongly depend on how organize team is and sufficiently experienced in whatever they do. When I kill the Scouts from opposing team I can hack 1 or 2 null-cannons and secure them till my squadmates will arrive, then I retread from battle to find supply depot and change fitting to be more useful in current situation. Instead of passive 6HP/s I prefer to use 2xWyrkum Nanohive when I have 'a lot HP', that gives me 140HP/s regardless of whether I engage someones or not, sprint speed is extremely important as well thats why I usually have one red juice combine with light tank and recon modules that gives me invisibility to others. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 169	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:12:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gallente are consistently the second fastest race in New Eden. Gallente are typically the stealthiest race in New Eden as well though its not fully reflected on all aspects. Two kitkats one ferros plates one reactive plate and max out bonuses all prototyped thanks to the reduced CPU/PG fitting the skill afford and whallah. yeah just no. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3086	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:42:00 - [37] - Quote Any scout is better with a shotgun than any medium frame. Nobody's going to be using that Gallente bonus for the shotty. No.
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.02.09 17:53:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gallente are consistently the second fastest race in New Eden. Gallente are typically the stealthiest race in New Eden as well though its not fully reflected on all aspects. Two kitkats one ferros plates one reactive plate and max out bonuses all prototyped thanks to the reduced CPU/PG fitting the skill afford and whallah. Lmao does this guy even play the game? Enjoy getting melted in a half second by literally any weapon GG was VERY easy I slay for the Empress AE is my punching bag


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