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Bormir1r
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.09 03:46:00 -
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I would rather have the minmatar scout suit with the dropsuit scan profile reduction. I'd either have the combination of hacking speed and profile scan reduction or profile scan reduction and nova knife bonus. However having nova knife bonus and hacking speed both together seem too circumstantial to be beneficial, and they aren't very complementary. The other scout suits do, the caldari gets the scanning capabilities, gallente gets different scanning capabilities, and amarr is based on stamina. The minmatar scout has the least suitable bonus pair compared to the other scouts. Although the nerfs to scanners, increase in high/low powered slots, and reduction in base profile (for all scouts), I would still prefer having the profile base reduction in 1.8.
Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
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General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
52
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Posted - 2014.02.09 03:55:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:I would rather have the minmatar scout suit with the dropsuit scan profile reduction. I'd either have the combination of hacking speed and profile scan reduction or profile scan reduction and nova knife bonus. However having nova knife bonus and hacking speed both together seem too circumstantial to be beneficial, and they aren't very complementary. The other scout suits do, the caldari gets the scanning capabilities, gallente gets different scanning capabilities, and amarr is based on stamina. The minmatar scout has the least suitable bonus pair compared to the other scouts. Although the nerfs to scanners, increase in high/low powered slots, and reduction in base profile (for all scouts), I would still prefer having the profile base reduction in 1.8.
i think (or at least i hope) scan reduction will stay universal for scouts. the hacking speed suggests the minmatar scout is an infiltration unit. it clearly is not. its speed makes it more of a cqc/assassin unit. it needs some kind of sleed bonus, i think. yet the amarr scout somehow ended up with better stamina. perhaps kinetic catalyzer efficiency +2%?
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Bormir1r
WarRavens League of Infamy
25
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:10:00 -
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General12912 wrote:Bormir1r wrote:I would rather have the minmatar scout suit with the dropsuit scan profile reduction. I'd either have the combination of hacking speed and profile scan reduction or profile scan reduction and nova knife bonus. However having nova knife bonus and hacking speed both together seem too circumstantial to be beneficial, and they aren't very complementary. The other scout suits do, the caldari gets the scanning capabilities, gallente gets different scanning capabilities, and amarr is based on stamina. The minmatar scout has the least suitable bonus pair compared to the other scouts. Although the nerfs to scanners, increase in high/low powered slots, and reduction in base profile (for all scouts), I would still prefer having the profile base reduction in 1.8. i think (or at least i hope) scan reduction will stay universal for scouts. the hacking speed suggests the minmatar scout is an infiltration unit. it clearly is not. its speed makes it more of a cqc/assassin unit. it needs some kind of sleed bonus, i think. yet the amarr scout somehow ended up with better stamina. perhaps kinetic catalyzer efficiency +2%?
According to the "in progress" 1.8 scout changes data excel sheet CCP provided, all scouts won't have dropsuit profile reduction except for gallente, however we all get a reduction to our base profile scan (45->35). And with the nerf to those 360 degree scanners, I think we "should" be fine. Don't quote me on that though.
Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
2804
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:24:00 -
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I'm personally in love with the speed hacking.
But then again, I like to kill lone defenders, speed hack the objective, and then get the hell outta dodge before reinforcements show up.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Jebus McKing
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
298
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Posted - 2014.02.09 10:17:00 -
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The hacking bonus is the best thing that could have happened to the min scout. It gives him a totally unique role compared to the other scouts. Ninja hacking was mostly done by min logis so far, giving the bonus to a scout makes ninja hacking so much easier.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
598
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Posted - 2014.02.09 14:37:00 -
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To be honest the hacking bonus makes little sense on minni scouts especially when paired with the bonus to NK it would fit better to the gallente scout (scout is fine I think). The minni should get a bonus to Sprintspeed and/or remotes both would fit way better to that suit. |
Bormir1r
WarRavens League of Infamy
25
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Posted - 2014.02.09 17:20:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:To be honest the hacking bonus makes little sense on minni scouts especially when paired with the bonus to NK it would fit better to the gallente scout (scout is fine I think). The minni should get a bonus to Sprintspeed and/or remotes both would fit way better to that suit.
Oh! Yeah I would definitely like a bonus to sprinting speed! =)
Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
489
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Posted - 2014.02.09 18:16:00 -
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Minmatar are all about getting in, wrecking havoc and leaving before anyone has time to call for reinfocrements. And the hacking speed bonus really falls in line with this ethos.
Personally, it's the nova knife damage bonus that's wrong in my eyes. CCP are really trying to shoe horn the melee fighter role for the Min scout but it's far too limiting, IMO. A 2% bonus to movement speed per level along side would be better along side the hacking bonus to make it the ultimate 'get in and out' fighter. Also, the speed bonus would still benefit a knifer as it allows them to close the gap between them and their prey a lot quicker.
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Lightning Bolt2
Binary Mercs
376
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Posted - 2014.02.09 19:16:00 -
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General12912 wrote:Bormir1r wrote:I would rather have the minmatar scout suit with the dropsuit scan profile reduction. I'd either have the combination of hacking speed and profile scan reduction or profile scan reduction and nova knife bonus. However having nova knife bonus and hacking speed both together seem too circumstantial to be beneficial, and they aren't very complementary. The other scout suits do, the caldari gets the scanning capabilities, gallente gets different scanning capabilities, and amarr is based on stamina. The minmatar scout has the least suitable bonus pair compared to the other scouts. Although the nerfs to scanners, increase in high/low powered slots, and reduction in base profile (for all scouts), I would still prefer having the profile base reduction in 1.8. i think (or at least i hope) scan reduction will stay universal for scouts. the hacking speed suggests the minmatar scout is an infiltration unit. it clearly is not. its speed makes it more of a cqc/assassin unit. it needs some kind of sleed bonus, i think. yet the amarr scout somehow ended up with better stamina. perhaps kinetic catalyzer efficiency +2%?
1. all scouts profiles are now 35DB the scan bonus is no longer universal.
2. the hacking speed bonus is GREAT with the nova knife damage!
3. CCP should add the ability to hack equipment to make it friendly AND give you the points sfor it .
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Lightning Bolt2
Binary Mercs
376
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Posted - 2014.02.09 19:19:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Minmatar are all about getting in, wrecking havoc and leaving before anyone has time to call for reinfocrements. And the hacking speed bonus really falls in line with this ethos.
Personally, it's the nova knife damage bonus that's wrong in my eyes. CCP are really trying to shoe horn the melee fighter role for the Min scout but it's far too limiting, IMO. A 2% bonus to movement speed per level along side would be better along side the hacking bonus to make it the ultimate 'get in and out' fighter. Also, the speed bonus would still benefit a knifer as it allows them to close the gap between them and their prey a lot quicker.
us knifers need that DMG bonus to take out that one heavy, or to OHK that FOTM user before he kills you in 0.2> seconds.
Favorite gear: Duct-tape and Butter knives
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1922
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Posted - 2014.02.09 19:30:00 -
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The Amarr scout users association (ASUA) would gladly trade bonuses
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Scottie MaCallan
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.02.09 19:41:00 -
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Only thing min scout needs now to compete w/ gal scout is tweaked fitting and ehp values, gal scout can easily use its low slots and built in profile damp to out speed tank min scout, while staying less visible and w/ more room for fitting higher tier weapons, equipment, and dam mods (or shields)
If shields were actually comparable to armor it might be a different story because min does regen its ehp way faster than Gallente ever could. But between that and still limiting fitting when compared to gal scout, min has a very limited use |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
489
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Posted - 2014.02.09 19:46:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:Minmatar are all about getting in, wrecking havoc and leaving before anyone has time to call for reinfocrements. And the hacking speed bonus really falls in line with this ethos.
Personally, it's the nova knife damage bonus that's wrong in my eyes. CCP are really trying to shoe horn the melee fighter role for the Min scout but it's far too limiting, IMO. A 2% bonus to movement speed per level along side would be better along side the hacking bonus to make it the ultimate 'get in and out' fighter. Also, the speed bonus would still benefit a knifer as it allows them to close the gap between them and their prey a lot quicker. us knifers need that DMG bonus to take out that one heavy, or to OHK that FOTM user before he kills you in 0.2> seconds.
Buff knives?
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Texs Red
DUST University Ivy League
177
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Posted - 2014.02.09 20:46:00 -
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If you look at combat tactics and weapon preferences the nova knives are really more of a Gallente thing. Which is why it's so messed up that it's a Caldari (long range, kinetic weapons) weapon that uses plasma to deal damage (Gallente, thermal damage) and the Minmatar get the bonus for it (who prefer either massive long range attacks or super high ROF CQC).
So racially speaking the Minmatar should get the bonus to scan range and Gallente should get the nova knife damage. This reenforces two things: Armor scouts are more of a low profile that rely on active scans for finding their prey but are hard to detect themselves. Shield scouts are typically a higher profile scout that is more of a a hunter-seeker, using passive scanning ability to find prey which doesn't tip their prey off but are more vulnerable to being scanned themselves.
I also think precision mods should be lows, dampeners highs, and both should have equal values. Then base dropsuit scan/profile dB needs to be the same not 35/45 which favors dampening over passive scans. |
General12912
Gallente Marine Corps
54
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Posted - 2014.02.09 21:00:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:If you look at combat tactics and weapon preferences the nova knives are really more of a Gallente thing. Which is why it's so messed up that it's a Caldari (long range, kinetic weapons) weapon that uses plasma to deal damage (Gallente, thermal damage) and the Minmatar get the bonus for it (who prefer either massive long range attacks or super high ROF CQC).
So racially speaking the Minmatar should get the bonus to scan range and Gallente should get the nova knife damage. This reenforces two things: Armor scouts are more of a low profile that rely on active scans for finding their prey but are hard to detect themselves. Shield scouts are typically a higher profile scout that is more of a a hunter-seeker, using passive scanning ability to find prey which doesn't tip their prey off but are more vulnerable to being scanned themselves.
I also think precision mods should be lows, dampeners highs, and both should have equal values. Then base dropsuit scan/profile dB needs to be the same not 35/45 which favors dampening over passive scans. no no no. the gallente are the best at scouting. we are the original scouts. ive never run a gallentean scout suit with nova knives before.
and minmatar scouts have always had a bonus to nova knives. its not just in 1.8, look at the minmatar scouts right now in 1.7 and you will see the nnova knife perk. the reason why nova knives are better for minmatar scout is because of their physical speed. they can close in on their opponent quickly and knife them.
i know gallente prefer close range-high dmg, but minmatar have been able to utilize this fighting style in their own way too. |
Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1917
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Posted - 2014.02.09 21:38:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:The hacking bonus is the best thing that could have happened to the min scout. It gives him a totally unique role compared to the other scouts. Ninja hacking was mostly done by min logis so far, giving the bonus to a scout makes ninja hacking so much easier. ^This.... tho it makes for sad Min Logi who now have a rep tool bonus on a suit with stats for mobility not quite sure how that change actually makes sense but I'm getting off topic now. Speed hacking on a scout is a great asset IMO.
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SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
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Texs Red
DUST University Ivy League
180
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Posted - 2014.02.09 21:58:00 -
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General12912 wrote: no no no. the gallente are the best at scouting. we are the original scouts. ive never run a gallentean scout suit with nova knives before.
and minmatar scouts have always had a bonus to nova knives. its not just in 1.8, look at the minmatar scouts right now in 1.7 and you will see the nnova knife perk. the reason why nova knives are better for minmatar scout is because of their physical speed. they can close in on their opponent quickly and knife them.
i know gallente prefer close range-high dmg, but minmatar have been able to utilize this fighting style in their own way too.
To say the Gallente are the best as scouting is overly broad, they are the best at a certain aspect not everything to do with the role.
The Gallente focus armored and skirmish warfare. They focus on CQC where they deal massive damage with modest ROF weapons, they achieve this by misdirection and stealth. So naturally they are the stealthiest scout but hardly the best, it's how they close the gap for combat.
The Minmatar focus also skirmish but focus on shields over armor for greater mobility. They use their speed to storm in with high ROF weapons at short/medium range. So naturally they are the fastest scout but that is only how they close the gap and isn't how they tank.
As both focus on skirmish warfare, where you are not entrenched, you must focus on regenerative tanking so you can continue fighting despite taking hits.
The Caldari focus on shields and information warfare. Seeing as the Gallente focus on skirmishing the Caldari then are defenders, using the information they gleam from their enemies to know where they are going before they get there and thereby holding the objective. The Gallente try to sneak in, the Caldari's superior sensors see them, and the Gallente scum die.
The Amarr focus on armor and information warfare. Because they are slow and have no desire to match the Minmatar's speed they dig in, fortify, and use information counteract their slow movement vs Minmatar speed.
As both of these focus on Information warfare (the counter to skirmish warfare) they are defenders and have the largest HP of their chosen defense.
The Caldari/Gallente mostly fight over being seen vs not being see. The Minmatar/Amarr focuses more on slowing your opponent down so you can run circles around him vs preventing your opponent from being able to hit you no matter how slow you are (tracking disruption). The Minmatar/Amarr combat has half of what it needs, the Minmatar are fast and the Amarr slow, but lacks the other half, the ability to slow your opponent vs tracking disruption. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
602
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:41:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:If you look at combat tactics and weapon preferences the nova knives are really more of a Gallente thing. Which is why it's so messed up that it's a Caldari (long range, kinetic weapons) weapon that uses plasma to deal damage (Gallente, thermal damage) and the Minmatar get the bonus for it (who prefer either massive long range attacks or super high ROF CQC).
So racially speaking the Minmatar should get the bonus to scan range and Gallente should get the nova knife damage. This reenforces two things: Armor scouts are more of a low profile that rely on active scans for finding their prey but are hard to detect themselves. Shield scouts are typically a higher profile scout that is more of a a hunter-seeker, using passive scanning ability to find prey which doesn't tip their prey off but are more vulnerable to being scanned themselves.
I also think precision mods should be lows, dampeners highs, and both should have equal values. Then base dropsuit scan/profile dB needs to be the same not 35/45 which favors dampening over passive scans.
This is a valid point, I have also suggested to give the gallente the NK bonus but for a different reason. But I have to admit you point about gallenteans beeing the CQC Masters is very valid. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
267
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Posted - 2014.02.10 10:25:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:I would rather have the minmatar scout suit with the dropsuit scan profile reduction. I'd either have the combination of hacking speed and profile scan reduction or profile scan reduction and nova knife bonus. However having nova knife bonus and hacking speed both together seem too circumstantial to be beneficial, and they aren't very complementary. The other scout suits do, the caldari gets the scanning capabilities, gallente gets different scanning capabilities, and amarr is based on stamina. The minmatar scout has the least suitable bonus pair compared to the other scouts. Although the nerfs to scanners, increase in high/low powered slots, and reduction in base profile (for all scouts), I would still prefer having the profile base reduction in 1.8. You're late, for some few weeks, and XX-amount of topics stating that this is great idea..
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2014.02.10 12:14:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:I would rather have the minmatar scout suit with the dropsuit scan profile reduction. I'd either have the combination of hacking speed and profile scan reduction or profile scan reduction and nova knife bonus. However having nova knife bonus and hacking speed both together seem too circumstantial to be beneficial, and they aren't very complementary. The other scout suits do, the caldari gets the scanning capabilities, gallente gets different scanning capabilities, and amarr is based on stamina. The minmatar scout has the least suitable bonus pair compared to the other scouts. Although the nerfs to scanners, increase in high/low powered slots, and reduction in base profile (for all scouts), I would still prefer having the profile base reduction in 1.8.
STFU YOU this gives scouts a non combat role for once. also the two together are awsome it allows a scout to hack and defend a point better then anything other then a SG bonus. |
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