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straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 190	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:14:00 - [1] - Quote 5% reload speed per lvl. I know pretty lame right? Good enough for Caldari though.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 701	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:19:00 - [2] - Quote straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2004	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:22:00 - [3] - Quote We should give Caldari Assaults a 5% reduction to heat buildup for hybrid rail weapons. That would be so OP! Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 191	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:24:00 - [4] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. That's the point man, the bonus for Amarr makes sense, wtf do we need a reload bonus for on a long range weapon.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2004	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:26:00 - [5] - Quote straya fox wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. That's the point man, the bonus for Amarr makes sense, wtf do we need a reload bonus for on a long range weapon. What I'd the Rail Rifle nerf ends up being a magazine size nerf? You'd feel mighty foolish for complaining then wouldn't you? Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Neo Rinzler Commando Perkone Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:26:00 - [6] - Quote straya fox wrote: 5% reload speed per lvl. I know pretty lame right? Good enough for Caldari though. Supposedly reload speed improves DPS just as much as Heat Build up reduction lol So let's see how the Amarrians would prefer reload speed instead of Heat Build Up reduction xD
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 701	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:28:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: straya fox wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. That's the point man, the bonus for Amarr makes sense, wtf do we need a reload bonus for on a long range weapon. What I'd the Rail Rifle nerf ends up being a magazine size nerf? You'd feel mighty foolish for complaining then wouldn't you? ATM, the rail rifle has a dmg. nerf Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 701	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:28:00 - [8] - Quote straya fox wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. That's the point man, the bonus for Amarr makes sense, wtf do we need a reload bonus for on a long range weapon. Ok, so 50% reduction to reload speed per level. Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 191	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:29:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: straya fox wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. That's the point man, the bonus for Amarr makes sense, wtf do we need a reload bonus for on a long range weapon. What I'd the Rail Rifle nerf ends up being a magazine size nerf? You'd feel mighty foolish for complaining then wouldn't you? CCP logibro posted yesterday the nerf is a straight damage nerf. so yeah.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9124	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:32:00 - [10] - Quote It'd be nice if we had, say, a charge time reduction. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven

straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 191	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:35:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It'd be nice if we had, say, a charge time reduction. Just to be clear, i think the Amarr bonus makes sense, the Caldari bonus on the other hand i believe is not very worthwhile.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 704	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:47:00 - [12] - Quote straya fox wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It'd be nice if we had, say, a charge time reduction. Just to be clear, i think the Amarr bonus makes sense, the Caldari bonus on the other hand i believe is not very worthwhile. Caldari should either get a % reduction to spool time or % increase to hybrid rail range. This will complement their ranged fighter play style. Of course, the second option will require some further adjustments to the rail and sniper Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1284	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:48:00 - [13] - Quote Neo Rinzler wrote: straya fox wrote: 5% reload speed per lvl. I know pretty lame right? Good enough for Caldari though. Supposedly reload speed improves DPS just as much as Heat Build up reduction lol So let's see how the Amarrians would prefer reload speed instead of Heat Build Up reduction xD Doesn't matter. It's not happening. Fail question. Ona side note, let's see the RR overheat. Right...it doesn't. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1284	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:51:00 - [14] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It'd be nice if we had, say, a charge time reduction. Just to be clear, i think the Amarr bonus makes sense, the Caldari bonus on the other hand i believe is not very worthwhile. Caldari should either get a % reduction to spool time or % increase to hybrid rail range. This will complement their ranged fighter play style. Of course, the second option will require some further adjustments to the rail and sniper Not sure if that would work. Isn't the proto spool up time like about 1/10th of a second? The % would have to be like 1%. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 192	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:52:00 - [15] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Neo Rinzler wrote: straya fox wrote: 5% reload speed per lvl. I know pretty lame right? Good enough for Caldari though. Supposedly reload speed improves DPS just as much as Heat Build up reduction lol So let's see how the Amarrians would prefer reload speed instead of Heat Build Up reduction xD Doesn't matter. It's not happening. Fail question. Ona side note, let's see the RR overheat. Right...it doesn't. But you have an assault bonus to deal with that right? See where we are coming from, the Caldari assault bonus makes no sense.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 704	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It'd be nice if we had, say, a charge time reduction. Just to be clear, i think the Amarr bonus makes sense, the Caldari bonus on the other hand i believe is not very worthwhile. Caldari should either get a % reduction to spool time or % increase to hybrid rail range. This will complement their ranged fighter play style. Of course, the second option will require some further adjustments to the rail and sniper Not sure if that would work. Isn't the proto spool up time like about 1/10th of a second? The % would have to be like 1%. And the second one? I personally prefer this one as it affects both light weapons, like the other races' assaults do Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 462	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:58:00 - [17] - Quote The charge time is 250 milliseconds, about the blink of an eye. Reducing it is about as worthwhile as reducing reload speed. Even if it reduced it down to 125 milliseconds, I doubt it would help in anyway. It is also completely worthless for most sniper rifles. Increased range is not a great idea. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because it gave a huge bonus. Being able to use the same weapon but flat out hit farther than your enemy just because "you haz more sp lulz" is not a good idea. What should it be? I haven't the slightest idea.
Squagga The State Protectorate 171	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:58:00 - [18] - Quote Instead of changing their bonus, why don't we get a bonus of our own? I for one am always interested in petitioning for bigger cod pieces. I'm my own bonus Reloading, the silent killer.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 705	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:00:00 - [19] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The charge time is 250 milliseconds, about the blink of an eye. Reducing it is about as worthwhile as reducing reload speed. Even if it reduced it down to 125 milliseconds, I doubt it would help in anyway. It is also completely worthless for most sniper rifles. Increased range is not a great idea. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because it gave a huge bonus. Being able to use the same weapon but flat out hit farther than your enemy just because "you haz more sp lulz" is not a good idea. What should it be? I haven't the slightest idea. Like I mentioned, this would require further changes to the rail and sniper Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 192	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:01:00 - [20] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: The charge time is 250 milliseconds, about the blink of an eye. Reducing it is about as worthwhile as reducing reload speed. Even if it reduced it down to 125 milliseconds, I doubt it would help in anyway. It is also completely worthless for most sniper rifles. Increased range is not a great idea. Ye olde Sharpshooter was removed because it gave a huge bonus. Being able to use the same weapon but flat out hit farther than your enemy just because "you haz more sp lulz" is not a good idea. What should it be? I haven't the slightest idea. You mean like proficiency? My weapon (which is the same as yours) does 15% more damage because of my skills.

Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1286	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:02:00 - [21] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It'd be nice if we had, say, a charge time reduction. Just to be clear, i think the Amarr bonus makes sense, the Caldari bonus on the other hand i believe is not very worthwhile. Caldari should either get a % reduction to spool time or % increase to hybrid rail range. This will complement their ranged fighter play style. Of course, the second option will require some further adjustments to the rail and sniper Not sure if that would work. Isn't the proto spool up time like about 1/10th of a second? The % would have to be like 1%. And the second one? I personally prefer this one as it affects both light weapons, like the other races' assaults do I don't agree with the second one. That would put it dangerously close to being on par with the sniper rifle as far as range goes. I would prefer that all bonuses go the way of the Amarr assault and give bonuses to each racial weapon's weaknessess. For example, Minmatar get a 5% increase to ammo capacity, since they run out the fastest. Caldari would get a 5% reduction to recoil. Galente would get either a 5% ROF bonus or 5% sharpshooter (distance) bonus. Amarr stays as is. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 72	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:07:00 - [22] - Quote I'd be happy with the 2% ROF bonus to rail technology per level. It would help compensate for the DPS nerf the RR is about to get. It would have the drawback of eating ammo faster and needing to be reloaded more frequently so it's not just a pure damage boost. This would be similar to the HMG buff, and I found that I had to put some levels into reload speed because I found my clip was constantly running dry. "Have faith lest your unbelief consume you." -The Bleeding Chalice
Squagga The State Protectorate 173	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:07:00 - [23] - Quote Well I don't want a 5% reduction to recoil, but yes like I said in Checkmates thread. I don't see why all the races don't get racial bonuses for using weapons of their race. Something viable though Reloading, the silent killer.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 192	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:09:00 - [24] - Quote Squagga wrote: Well I don't want a 5% reduction to recoil, but yes like I said in Checkmates thread. I don't see why all the races don't get racial bonuses for using weapons of their race. Something viable though Exactly, as it stands a reload bonus is not viable.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 462	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:09:00 - [25] - Quote Happy Jack SD wrote: I'd be happy with the 2% ROF bonus to rail technology per level. It would help compensate for the DPS nerf the RR is about to get. It would have the drawback of eating ammo faster and needing to be reloaded more frequently so it's not just a pure damage boost. This would be similar to the HMG buff, and I found that I had to put some levels into reload speed because I found my clip was constantly running dry. All of the rifles are likely getting various nerfs to increase TTK, it is just that the Rail Rifle was specifically mentioned first.
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 72	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:10:00 - [26] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Galente would get either a 5% ROF bonus or 5% sharpshooter (distance) bonus. Amarr stays as is. Wat Did you just suggest the Gal AR get a 25% ROF increase? "Have faith lest your unbelief consume you." -The Bleeding Chalice
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 192	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:11:00 - [27] - Quote Happy Jack SD wrote: I'd be happy with the 2% ROF bonus to rail technology per level. It would help compensate for the DPS nerf the RR is about to get. It would have the drawback of eating ammo faster and needing to be reloaded more frequently so it's not just a pure damage boost. This would be similar to the HMG buff, and I found that I had to put some levels into reload speed because I found my clip was constantly running dry. I think the 2% ROF is reasonable considering, like you said, the damage nerf.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1286	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:11:00 - [28] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Happy Jack SD wrote: I'd be happy with the 2% ROF bonus to rail technology per level. It would help compensate for the DPS nerf the RR is about to get. It would have the drawback of eating ammo faster and needing to be reloaded more frequently so it's not just a pure damage boost. This would be similar to the HMG buff, and I found that I had to put some levels into reload speed because I found my clip was constantly running dry. All of the rifles are likely getting various nerfs to increase TTK, it is just that the Rail Rifle was specifically mentioned first. ^ This. Most likely we will all be getting our weapons tweaked. It was mentioned that there would be "other" changes made. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 72	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:12:00 - [29] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Happy Jack SD wrote: I'd be happy with the 2% ROF bonus to rail technology per level. It would help compensate for the DPS nerf the RR is about to get. It would have the drawback of eating ammo faster and needing to be reloaded more frequently so it's not just a pure damage boost. This would be similar to the HMG buff, and I found that I had to put some levels into reload speed because I found my clip was constantly running dry. All of the rifles are likely getting various nerfs to increase TTK, it is just that the Rail Rifle was specifically mentioned first. Just like all the equipment is getting nerfed, but then compensated back to their current level due to racial logi bonus "Have faith lest your unbelief consume you." -The Bleeding Chalice
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1286	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:13:00 - [30] - Quote Happy Jack SD wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: Galente would get either a 5% ROF bonus or 5% sharpshooter (distance) bonus. Amarr stays as is. Wat Did you just suggest the Gal AR get a 25% ROF increase? Check my post again. I added a "disclaimer". PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor

RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 706	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:14:00 - [31] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: [quote=RuckingFetard][quote=Lea Silencio] I don't agree with the second one. That would put it dangerously close to being on par with the sniper rifle as far as range goes. I would prefer that all bonuses go the way of the Amarr assault and give bonuses to each racial weapon's weaknessess. For example, Minmatar get a 5% increase to ammo capacity, since they run out the fastest. Caldari would get a 5% reduction to recoil. Galente would get either a 5% ROF bonus or 5% sharpshooter (distance) bonus. Amarr stays as is. Edit: The percentages I gave are disputable. I merely used it to make a point. Bonuses should cater to the weapon's weakness, thus giving you a reason to improve upon it. Ummm, the SR would benefit from the bonus too. If you mean the RR having comparable range to an unmodded SR, then again, adjustments to the weapon as required Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Squagga The State Protectorate 174	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:16:00 - [32] - Quote Happy Jack SD wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: Galente would get either a 5% ROF bonus or 5% sharpshooter (distance) bonus. Amarr stays as is. Wat Did you just suggest the Gal AR get a 25% ROF increase? It doesn't need a fire rate increase ... you just need to be able to use the gun at longer range firing .. that all you NEED .. if that still doesn't help you then ... (All you plasma enthusiasts) it's not the rifle that's the problem ... Reloading, the silent killer.
Squagga The State Protectorate 174	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:18:00 - [33] - Quote Right now the RR works great. Why don't we just see how the nerf actually effects the weapon. Then we can get a fix for it? But then again .. the Amarrs didn't have to wait for their racial fix ... well then decide what you guys want now before we have to lobby for a fix! Reloading, the silent killer.
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 192	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:20:00 - [34] - Quote Thanks for the discussion guys i gotta hit up Dust now, just wanted to bring this to light a bit. Our Amarrian brothers are good campaigners when it comes to getting the bonuses they want, mabe they could lend a hand to their Caldari allies about this issue. Peace all.
Neo Rinzler Commando Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:21:00 - [35] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Neo Rinzler wrote: straya fox wrote: 5% reload speed per lvl. I know pretty lame right? Good enough for Caldari though. Supposedly reload speed improves DPS just as much as Heat Build up reduction lol So let's see how the Amarrians would prefer reload speed instead of Heat Build Up reduction xD Doesn't matter. It's not happening. Fail question. Ona side note, let's see the RR overheat. Right...it doesn't. I don't think you understand sarcasm .. did you not notice the 'supposedly' or the 'lol' ??
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 484	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:21:00 - [36] - Quote How would you like a 5% bonus to Rail weapon range? That'll change the range of the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle from 78m to 97.5m. That'll make the weapon really excel at what it's supposed to; attacking from long range. Oh, and buff the range of the LR to make it not completely over-shadowed by this. I'd increase the range on the LR to about 160m. We want cake and tea.
Squagga The State Protectorate 174	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:29:00 - [37] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: How would you like a 5% bonus to Rail weapon range? That'll change the range of the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle from 78m to 97.5m. That'll make the weapon really excel at what it's supposed to; attacking from long range. Oh, and buff the range of the LR to make it not completely over-shadowed by this. I'd increase the range on the LR to about 160m. I like where you're going with this. I however do not wan't this. Max ammo wouldn't be too bad. Honestly the only thing I wan't out of Rosie is damage. I think that the weapon works great and the two variants make it a good option between CQ and long range Reloading, the silent killer.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 706	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:30:00 - [38] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: How would you like a 5% bonus to Rail weapon range? That'll change the range of the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle from 78m to 97.5m. That'll make the weapon really excel at what it's supposed to; attacking from long range. Oh, and buff the range of the LR to make it not completely over-shadowed by this. I'd increase the range on the LR to about 160m. The LR needs a better optimal, not more range Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Squagga The State Protectorate 174	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:30:00 - [39] - Quote straya fox wrote: Thanks for the discussion guys i gotta hit up Dust now, just wanted to bring this to light a bit. Our Amarrian brothers are good campaigners when it comes to getting the bonuses they want, mabe they could lend a hand to their Caldari allies about this issue. Peace all. They got what they wanted. Let's hope that they're interested helping us in our plight Reloading, the silent killer.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 848	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:49:00 - [40] - Quote straya fox wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: straya fox wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: straya fox wrote: 10% reduction to heat build-up per lvl. I know pretty cool right? fixed. That's the point man, the bonus for Amarr makes sense, wtf do we need a reload bonus for on a long range weapon. What I'd the Rail Rifle nerf ends up being a magazine size nerf? You'd feel mighty foolish for complaining then wouldn't you? CCP logibro posted yesterday the nerf is a straight damage nerf. so yeah. CCP Logibro posted yesterday that one of many changes to the entire assault rifle family was a RR damage nerf - in no way shape or form does that suggest that a straight damage nerf is the only change the RR will see. So, yeah.

straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 193	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:34:00 - [41] - Quote CCP logibro posted yesterday the nerf is a straight damage nerf. so yeah.[/quote] CCP Logibro posted yesterday that one of many changes to the entire assault rifle family was a RR damage nerf - in no way shape or form does that suggest that a straight damage nerf is the only change the RR will see. So, yeah.[/quote] Yet a straight damage nerf is all and exactly what he said. so, yeah.
Squagga The State Protectorate 178	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:35:00 - [42] - Quote And nobody knows how much of a nerf that will be? Like at all? Reloading, the silent killer.
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 200	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:01:00 - [43] - Quote Caldari assault suit bonus: 5% increase to hybrid rail optimal range and zoom range. Come on CCP, is it that hard to do bonuses for the squids? Just go look at EvE. Easy win. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 484	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:51:00 - [44] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: How would you like a 5% bonus to Rail weapon range? That'll change the range of the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle from 78m to 97.5m. That'll make the weapon really excel at what it's supposed to; attacking from long range. Oh, and buff the range of the LR to make it not completely over-shadowed by this. I'd increase the range on the LR to about 160m. The LR needs a better optimal, not more range By range, I mean optimal range. I think it should do 100% damage between 100m and 160m. We want cake and tea.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2021	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:56:00 - [45] - Quote straya fox wrote: Yet a straight damage nerf is all and exactly what he said. so, yeah. He specifically said that a damage reduction wasn't the only change. So, yeah. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response


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