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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:14:00 -
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And the only good bonuses are the Amarr and Minmatar.
Gallente - Shotgun is the only one who can benefit from this bonus. AR is already pretty damn accurate, plasmacannonlol.
Caldari - I've said it before and I'll say it again, reloading at long range is a non issue.
You have all the time in the world.
These two bonuses are so insubstantive that I'm considering moving to Gallente scouts.
And before anyone says anything, do the math, scouts are going to be amazing combat units.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1537
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:22:00 -
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Link?
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6218
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:28:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Link?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813024#post1813024
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
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1995
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:29:00 -
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You really ought to provide a link when making claims such as these...
Edit: Ah. There it is.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6218
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:30:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:You really ought to provide a link when making claims such as these...
Edit: Ah. There it is.
Thought it was already common knowledge.
I just woke up an hour ago.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Shiruba Ryou
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:41:00 -
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I've really got to see who weapons and damage is getting changed to make any final assumptions.
"Not to worry. The cards say you loved it."
- Ryoutoshi
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
2785
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:And the only good bonuses are the Amarr and Minmatar.
Gallente - Shotgun is the only one who can benefit from this bonus. AR is already pretty damn accurate, plasmacannonlol.
Caldari - I've said it before and I'll say it again, reloading at long range is a non issue.
You have all the time in the world.
These two bonuses are so insubstantive that I'm considering moving to Gallente scouts.
And before anyone says anything, do the math, scouts are going to be amazing combat units.
Amarr weapons are mostly held back by heat issues, if they have that removed, they're god like and nothing can stop their weaponry.
Minmatar weapons are mostly held back by small clips. The bonuses fix that. (AND explosive spam is going to happen)
Gallente weapons are far from being held back by dispersion.
Caldari weapons have no need for fast reloads at the distances they operate at.
I disagree. These bonuses seem good to me. Those Minmatar and Amarr bonuses ARE mouthwatering (I'm looking forward to my 8 round flaylock  , but the Gallente Bonus and Caldari bonus will both be strong in their own rights.
Lets start with the Caldari bonus:
You reload 25% faster. Since Rail weapons typically have the longest reload times, this is actually a great buff to them. Never underplay the ability to put more rounds downrange. This could turn the Caldari into a suppression machine. Have a Cal Assault sit on top of a Proto Hive from about 80m back and just let loose. Peg anybody who DARES to step out of cover.
Reload speeds without putting points into them (just the class bonus)?
Proto Rail Rifle: 2.4s. You now reload faster than a Combat Rifle. Reload V = 1.92s
Magsec: 2.4s. Again, faster than the SMG. By a wide margin. Reload V = 1.92s
Sniper Rifle: 3s. If the Reload speeds have no penalty, then you can get this down to 2.4s reload on a sniper rifle. DAMN.
In short, the Caldari will be an amazing long range suppression unit, capable of holding objectives from a distance, and being an excellent roadblock for advancing troops. You will be in his optimal first, remember that.
Gallente:
Dispersion and Kick 5% per level.
Okay, if the weapon skills stay the same, this would mean that a Fully Specced out Gal Assault will have a 50% reduction to kick and Dispersion. So what will this do? It will turn every Gallente Assault rifle into a hipfire MONSTER.
Think about it, you could go through an entire clip of AR from the hip with AMAZING accuracy. This thing will CHEW through a squad of targets if you damage mod the sucker. I have a feeling that this class (when combined with it's regen tanking) will become the go to class for CQC combat, able to quickly engage targets, drop them with a firestorm of plasma, and regen fast enough to take on multiple waves of targets or to quickly and relentlessly assault a command post.
Minmatar:
My baby. Minmatar 4 Life. This is what I will spec into on the side (I main a Minmatar Scout, but I'm a really aggressive scout)
Anyways. 25% extra clip size for the SMG and CR (ACR as well). Mass Drivers will get 11 shots (Assault will get 13, prepare for area denial champs). My beloved Flaylock will get an 8 round clip (this will patch it's notorious problem of being unable to kill in a clip, but it really needs a damage buff anyways. Separate discussion though.)
So, what does this mean? It eliminates a major drawback of the Projectile weapons. The CR will get 68 round clip (22 Bursts and a 2 round burst). The ACR will get an amazing 85 round clip (4.25s to empty the clip. DPC goes up to 1972 unmodified).
Explosive weapons will be a major force for a Minmatar. Expect to see some Area Denial Specialists in 1.8, as they will be able to shut down areas for an extended period of time. I love it, more tactics. So long as they don't buff the damage on MD's, this should be fine, as it won't kill you before you can react, but it will for SURE make you move (lest you become a statistic).
Amarr
Yeah. Same as usual. SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM.
You have nothing to hold you back. Probably the strongest bonus of them all (in conjunction with the CPU/PG reduction they get, Amarr's will be tough cookies to crack in 1.8. Expect them to be armor tanked to heck with damage mods as usual.)
I imagine Aero is jumping for joy somewhere. Anyways, scramblers aren't my area of expertise, so I'll let someone else go on about the buffs here.
So yeah, that's my take on this. I don't think the bonuses will be useless, it will just change the role of the assault that we know.
Not better or worse. Just Different.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Callidus Vanus
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
225
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:44:00 -
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Soooooo Caldari is just back to its original uprising 1.0 bonus? A bonus so useless I hope CCP are trolling. What happened to our shield extender bonus? You know the only one making the suit even remotely viable?
Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6218
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:46:00 -
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Callidus Vanus wrote:Soooooo Caldari is just back to its original uprising 1.0 bonus? A bonus so useless I hope CCP are trolling. What happened to our shield extender bonus? You know the only one making the suit even remotely viable?
A. The suit is viable right now, my Caldari assault build is perfectly viable.
B. The bonus isn't as low as it was.
Uprising 1.0 was 2% per level.
Uprising 1.8 is 5% per level.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6218
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:47:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:And the only good bonuses are the Amarr and Minmatar.
Gallente - Shotgun is the only one who can benefit from this bonus. AR is already pretty damn accurate, plasmacannonlol.
Caldari - I've said it before and I'll say it again, reloading at long range is a non issue.
You have all the time in the world.
These two bonuses are so insubstantive that I'm considering moving to Gallente scouts.
And before anyone says anything, do the math, scouts are going to be amazing combat units.
Amarr weapons are mostly held back by heat issues, if they have that removed, they're god like and nothing can stop their weaponry.
Minmatar weapons are mostly held back by small clips. The bonuses fix that. (AND explosive spam is going to happen)
Gallente weapons are far from being held back by dispersion.
Caldari weapons have no need for fast reloads at the distances they operate at. I disagree. These bonuses seem good to me. Those Minmatar and Amarr bonuses ARE mouthwatering (I'm looking forward to my 8 round flaylock , but the Gallente Bonus and Caldari bonus will both be strong in their own rights. Lets start with the Caldari bonus:You reload 25% faster. Since Rail weapons typically have the longest reload times, this is actually a great buff to them. Never underplay the ability to put more rounds downrange. This could turn the Caldari into a suppression machine. Have a Cal Assault sit on top of a Proto Hive from about 80m back and just let loose. Peg anybody who DARES to step out of cover. Reload speeds without putting points into them (just the class bonus)? Proto Rail Rifle: 2.4s. You now reload faster than a Combat Rifle. Reload V = 1.92s Magsec: 2.4s. Again, faster than the SMG. By a wide margin. Reload V = 1.92s Sniper Rifle: 3s. If the Reload speeds have no penalty, then you can get this down to 2.4s reload on a sniper rifle. DAMN. In short, the Caldari will be an amazing long range suppression unit, capable of holding objectives from a distance, and being an excellent roadblock for advancing troops. You will be in his optimal first, remember that. Gallente:Dispersion and Kick 5% per level. Okay, if the weapon skills stay the same, this would mean that a Fully Specced out Gal Assault will have a 50% reduction to kick and Dispersion. So what will this do? It will turn every Gallente Assault rifle into a hipfire MONSTER. Think about it, you could go through an entire clip of AR from the hip with AMAZING accuracy. This thing will CHEW through a squad of targets if you damage mod the sucker. I have a feeling that this class (when combined with it's regen tanking) will become the go to class for CQC combat, able to quickly engage targets, drop them with a firestorm of plasma, and regen fast enough to take on multiple waves of targets or to quickly and relentlessly assault a command post. Minmatar: My baby. Minmatar 4 Life. This is what I will spec into on the side (I main a Minmatar Scout, but I'm a really aggressive scout) Anyways. 25% extra clip size for the SMG and CR (ACR as well). Mass Drivers will get 11 shots (Assault will get 13, prepare for area denial champs). My beloved Flaylock will get an 8 round clip (this will patch it's notorious problem of being unable to kill in a clip, but it really needs a damage buff anyways. Separate discussion though.) So, what does this mean? It eliminates a major drawback of the Projectile weapons. The CR will get 68 round clip (22 Bursts and a 2 round burst). The ACR will get an amazing 85 round clip (4.25s to empty the clip. DPC goes up to 1972 unmodified). Explosive weapons will be a major force for a Minmatar. Expect to see some Area Denial Specialists in 1.8, as they will be able to shut down areas for an extended period of time. I love it, more tactics. So long as they don't buff the damage on MD's, this should be fine, as it won't kill you before you can react, but it will for SURE make you move (lest you become a statistic). AmarrYeah. Same as usual. SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM. You have nothing to hold you back. Probably the strongest bonus of them all (in conjunction with the CPU/PG reduction they get, Amarr's will be tough cookies to crack in 1.8. Expect them to be armor tanked to heck with damage mods as usual.) I imagine Aero is jumping for joy somewhere. Anyways, scramblers aren't my area of expertise, so I'll let someone else go on about the buffs here. So yeah, that's my take on this. I don't think the bonuses will be useless, it will just change the role of the assault that we know. Not better or worse. Just Different.
I already explained it.
AR doesn't need this bonus, it's perfectly accurate if you just tap R1 from once in a while.
Do it fast enough and you won't lose a single point of DPS.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Kal Kronos
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:48:00 -
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--.-- yo CCP **** dat reload bonus, give me something worthwhile or give me my damn points back.
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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Callidus Vanus
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
225
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Callidus Vanus wrote:Soooooo Caldari is just back to its original uprising 1.0 bonus? A bonus so useless I hope CCP are trolling. What happened to our shield extender bonus? You know the only one making the suit even remotely viable? A. The suit is viable right now, my Caldari assault build is perfectly viable. B. The bonus isn't as low as it was. Uprising 1.0 was 2% per level. Uprising 1.8 is 5% per level.
Its viable now because it has a shield extender bonus, if we lose that our tank is reduced even more then it already is. If we stack more extenders on it to compensate we lose damage output due to not being able to use damage mods and the shield recharge delay is increase due to the stacking penalty of extenders. We shouldn't be forced to armor tank our suits even more then we already are forced to.
Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6218
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:56:00 -
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Callidus Vanus wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Callidus Vanus wrote:Soooooo Caldari is just back to its original uprising 1.0 bonus? A bonus so useless I hope CCP are trolling. What happened to our shield extender bonus? You know the only one making the suit even remotely viable? A. The suit is viable right now, my Caldari assault build is perfectly viable. B. The bonus isn't as low as it was. Uprising 1.0 was 2% per level. Uprising 1.8 is 5% per level. Its viable now because it has a shield extender bonus, if we lose that our tank is reduced even more then it already is. If we stack more extenders on it to compensate we lose damage output due to not being able to use damage mods and the shield recharge delay is increase due to the stacking penalty of extenders. We shouldn't be forced to armor tank our suits even more then we already are forced to.
You aren't forced to armor tank your suit.
My Caldari assault doesn't have ONE armor module on it.
It just focuses on having insane shields.
The Caldari assault bonus won't change much if removed, I will lose like 20HP out of 500 shields.
You should also note that shields got a general buff in 1.8, recharge speeds and delays have been reduced.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Jackof All-Trades
The Black Renaissance
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:02:00 -
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This is bullshit. Gallente should get damage bonus, as they're supposed to fight in CQC, and should die at any other range. It makes sense for them to get the damage no other race can access (though I'm just saying this because I wanted an inherent damage mod for my plasma cannon ))):
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
697
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:09:00 -
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I like muc of it, naturally though ez mode caldari players can't stop whining.
Give them a bonus to offset their weakness, what do you get? "Give meh bonus of 10% for extender!"
I guarantee you the minmatar assault is getting nerfed, especially if anything remotely useful for CR'a and/or 'da noob toobs' comes out.
Amarr i don't even know. Currently i'm running un-bonused midframe with CRW, i don't really wish "wow, wanna spam up to 20 shots, instead of 16!"
Gallente's AR has the worst dispersion, this is good in a way, as its' hit ratio is improved- for bad users.
Tightening that hipfire means my Gk-13 i've been trying out would fire like a rail rifle. My gek would fire like its' own breach.
How that effects plasmas and shotties... I don't know, are assaults supposed to run PLC's? Or is that a commando only thing?
Shotguns i almost find the spread reduction as an insult for shotties, turns them into 4m optimal sniper rifles.
I can't advocate for the other races, but Minmatar assaults' bonus might bring me back to the role, previously i was thinking entirely scout/commando.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
578
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:33:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Link?
EDIT: Thanks for link. I'm agreed with your take on the bonuses. I actually think Amarr Assault could have its bonus reduced to 4%, tbh...
Heathen, we ARE the Laz0r masters of course we should be superior in the usage of our preferred weapon.
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Kal Kronos
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:43:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:I like muc of it, naturally though ez mode caldari players can't stop whining.
Give them a bonus to offset their weakness, what do you get? "Give meh bonus of 10% for extender!"
I guarantee you the minmatar assault is getting nerfed, especially if anything remotely useful for CR'a and/or 'da noob toobs' comes out.
Amarr i don't even know. Currently i'm running un-bonused midframe with CRW, i don't really wish "wow, wanna spam up to 20 shots, instead of 16!"
Gallente's AR has the worst dispersion, this is good in a way, as its' hit ratio is improved- for bad users.
Tightening that hipfire means my Gk-13 i've been trying out would fire like a rail rifle. My gek would fire like its' own breach.
How that effects plasmas and shotties... I don't know, are assaults supposed to run PLC's? Or is that a commando only thing?
Shotguns i almost find the spread reduction as an insult for shotties, turns them into 4m optimal sniper rifles.
I can't advocate for the other races, but Minmatar assaults' bonus might bring me back to the role, previously i was thinking entirely scout/commando.
Until they fix the reload glitch it is a worthless bonus. When you go from getting the worthless bonus you have being buffed by 15% to a respectable level back to this even more worthless bonus why would we be happy?
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1998
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:44:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:I like muc of it, naturally though ez mode caldari players can't stop whining.
Give them a bonus to offset their weakness, what do you get? "Give meh bonus of 10% for extender!"
I guarantee you the minmatar assault is getting nerfed, especially if anything remotely useful for CR'a and/or 'da noob toobs' comes out.
Amarr i don't even know. Currently i'm running un-bonused midframe with CRW, i don't really wish "wow, wanna spam up to 20 shots, instead of 16!"
Gallente's AR has the worst dispersion, this is good in a way, as its' hit ratio is improved- for bad users.
Tightening that hipfire means my Gk-13 i've been trying out would fire like a rail rifle. My gek would fire like its' own breach.
How that effects plasmas and shotties... I don't know, are assaults supposed to run PLC's? Or is that a commando only thing?
Shotguns i almost find the spread reduction as an insult for shotties, turns them into 4m optimal sniper rifles.
I can't advocate for the other races, but Minmatar assaults' bonus might bring me back to the role, previously i was thinking entirely scout/commando. Until they fix the reload glitch it is a worthless bonus. When you go from getting the worthless bonus you have being buffed by 15% to a respectable level back to this even more worthless bonus why would we be happy?
What reload glitch?
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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Kal Kronos
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:47:00 -
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Two clicks(mag in>smack mag), then sprint.
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:51:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Two clicks(mag in>smack mag), then sprint.
That isn't a glitch. That's a feature.
Most shooters do this because it feels fake and ingenuine to put a new magazine in, then have to pull it out and put another one in just because you didn't let the animation finish completely.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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KGB Sleep
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:00:00 -
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Assault ck.0 here! o/
These bonuses are utter crap.
Have a nice day.
"Because beer, that's why."
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
578
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:04:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Assault ck.0 here! o/
These bonuses are utter crap.
Have a nice day.
im pretty sure the amarr bonus is perfect o/
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:16:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=140962&find=unread
Sign the petition to make sure we don't actually have this bonus stand for the Caldari Assault .. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:17:00 -
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Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. |
Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:24:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work.
How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:38:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit.
Current logi also gets +1hp/sec on top of that, without that it amounts to about 2.5hp/sec if you're running 2 proto reps |
Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:49:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit. Current logi also gets +1hp/sec on top of that, without that it amounts to about 2.5hp/sec if you're running 2 proto reps
The Gallente Assault is probably getting +3hp/s, not quite 5, but still respectable. +50% efficacy for a module, any module, is a bit much.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:01:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:--.-- yo CCP **** dat reload bonus, give me something worthwhile or give me my damn points back.
I agree reload is pointless for a gun that is akin to a marksmen if i wanted faster reloads id skill the gun tree sounds pants to me
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:03:00 -
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how come nobody was up in arms or suggetions when ccp just borrowed from this thread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136301&find=unread
been out for a while too
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:I disagree. These bonuses seem good to me. Those Minmatar and Amarr bonuses ARE mouthwatering (I'm looking forward to my 8 round flaylock , but the Gallente Bonus and Caldari bonus will both be strong in their own rights. Gallente:Dispersion and Kick 5% per level. Okay, if the weapon skills stay the same, this would mean that a Fully Specced out Gal Assault will have a 50% reduction to kick and Dispersion. So what will this do? It will turn every Gallente Assault rifle into a hipfire MONSTER. Think about it, you could go through an entire clip of AR from the hip with AMAZING accuracy. This thing will CHEW through a squad of targets if you damage mod the sucker. I have a feeling that this class (when combined with it's regen tanking) will become the go to class for CQC combat, able to quickly engage targets, drop them with a firestorm of plasma, and regen fast enough to take on multiple waves of targets or to quickly and relentlessly assault a command post.
Speaking as a Prototype Gallente Assault who has predominantly used the Assault Rifle since Uprising was first deployed, I absolutely hate the bonus given and I think it's quite terrifying how many people are lulled into this ideal that it is a good bonus.
Consider the armament of Blaster Weaponry and you'll realize that only two weapons benefit from this bonus in the entire load-out (the shotgun and the assault rifle). Then consider that the Caldari bonus applies to all rail weaponry and the Minmatar bonus applies to all projectile/explosive weaponry, regardless of which one it is. Apart from the bonus being very very specific to only a select amount of weapons in the Gallente armament, it's also a pretty terrible idea when put into application.
Question: Why would the weapons with the lowest range need the greatest amount of accuracy? In a CQC fight, survival is dependent on movement. If you stand still, you are going to die. It's just that simple. Accuracy is less of an important factor and much in the case of the CQC veteran, you're not relying on accuracy you're relying on dispersion. The aspect of "spray and pray" dies out completely with a weapon that has high accuracy. Of course you then have the Breach Assault Rifle which is already weak in other areas but has, arguably, the highest hipfire accuracy in the game by it's design. Why, then, is it not as particularly effective in CQC?
Beyond anecdotal evidence of close quarters engagements being focused on movement and dispersion, there's then the factor of the Shotgun. Why is it necessary to have a weapon with the second lowest range in the game (just 4m optimal) have any degree of accuracy? When the enemy can simply strafe off of your screen then accuracy is, at best, a detriment. I'd argue that the shotgun's spread actually needs to be -increased- as to better perform at it's designed range, or that the range itself needs to increase.
To sum it up, this bonus only applies to weapons that don't need dispersion/kick reduction. But beyond that, it's not something that is inherently available to all of their weaponry as the Plasma Cannon has no dispersion. IMO, it's a terrible bonus.
Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit. Current logi also gets +1hp/sec on top of that, without that it amounts to about 2.5hp/sec if you're running 2 proto reps The Gallente Assault is probably getting +3hp/s, not quite 5, but still respectable. +50% efficacy for a module, any module, is a bit much.
Doubt it. The only one that will probably get the +3hp/s is the Gallente Scout.
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Wasn't that they borrowed from that particular thread. The reduction to weaponry PG/CPU was something that the community generally thought was a good idea and was proposed quite a bit. Assault suits hallmark on their versatility and this kind of change does just that.
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OMG MINMATAR ASSAULT BONUS.
Assault Mass drivers with 13 round clips, standard ones with 11 round clips YESSSS
Oh and that bonus to my Assault Combat Rifle...This can't be real.
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Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit. Current logi also gets +1hp/sec on top of that, without that it amounts to about 2.5hp/sec if you're running 2 proto reps The Gallente Assault is probably getting +3hp/s, not quite 5, but still respectable. +50% efficacy for a module, any module, is a bit much.
It's getting 2hp/s.
And compared to 25% to plates or shields, 25% on armor repairs would be rather bad.
Remember, the net gain has to be good, it doesn't matter how big the bonus is.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:36:00 -
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Gallente Assault bonus makes them MUCH better at long range with minimal benefit to CQC.
Caldari Assault bonus makes them slightly better at CQC with almost no benefit at range.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Wasn't that they borrowed from that particular thread. The reduction to weaponry PG/CPU was something that the community generally thought was a good idea and was proposed quite a bit. Assault suits hallmark on their versatility and this kind of change does just that.
While true, if you look at the individual racials though, you'd notice that it is very similar to what was just put out now
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Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit. Current logi also gets +1hp/sec on top of that, without that it amounts to about 2.5hp/sec if you're running 2 proto reps The Gallente Assault is probably getting +3hp/s, not quite 5, but still respectable. +50% efficacy for a module, any module, is a bit much. It's getting 2hp/s. And compared to 25% to plates or shields, 25% on armor repairs would be rather bad. Remember, the net gain has to be good, it doesn't matter how big the bonus is. Scouts had 50% increase to scan range, and yet the net gain was just 5 meters. Soo, yeah.
The Amarr Logi bonus is good though. I use Armor Repairers all the time because of it. An enhanced repper almost becomes a complex repper because of it.
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Wasn't that they borrowed from that particular thread. The reduction to weaponry PG/CPU was something that the community generally thought was a good idea and was proposed quite a bit. Assault suits hallmark on their versatility and this kind of change does just that. While true, if you look at the individual racials though, you'd notice that it is very similar to what was just put out now
Very similar, but not quite the same.
Notice how the reload speed bonus on the Caldari assault was higher, and how it had an extra bonus to ammo capacity.
Notice how the Gallente assault is getting a ROF bonus.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:41:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:
The Amarr Logi bonus is good though. I use Armor Repairers all the time because of it. An enhanced repper almost becomes a complex repper because of it.
3 * 1.25 = 3.75.
Yeah, not even close.
I would throw out the Gallente Assault suit on the spot if that was the bonus it got, and switched to either the Gallente scout, or Minnie/Amarr assault.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:43:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Wasn't that they borrowed from that particular thread. The reduction to weaponry PG/CPU was something that the community generally thought was a good idea and was proposed quite a bit. Assault suits hallmark on their versatility and this kind of change does just that. While true, if you look at the individual racials though, you'd notice that it is very similar to what was just put out now Very similar, but not quite the same. Notice how the reload speed bonus on the Caldari assault was higher, and how it had an extra bonus to ammo capacity. Notice how the Gallente assault is getting a ROF bonus.
I understand, CCP follows about 3/4s of what the community threads ask for, same with the scouts and the logi threads that happened way back.
edit:
though at one point it was just a reload bonus, it has updated since then, multiple times
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Wasn't that they borrowed from that particular thread. The reduction to weaponry PG/CPU was something that the community generally thought was a good idea and was proposed quite a bit. Assault suits hallmark on their versatility and this kind of change does just that. While true, if you look at the individual racials though, you'd notice that it is very similar to what was just put out now Very similar, but not quite the same. Notice how the reload speed bonus on the Caldari assault was higher, and how it had an extra bonus to ammo capacity. Notice how the Gallente assault is getting a ROF bonus. I understand, CCP follows about 3/4s of what the community threads ask for, same with the scouts and the logi threads that happened way back. edit: though at one point it was just a reload bonus, it has updated since then, multiple times
Yes.
I actually have kagehoshi in a skype group and we discussed this.
He changed it from our feedback.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
The Amarr Logi bonus is good though. I use Armor Repairers all the time because of it. An enhanced repper almost becomes a complex repper because of it.
3 * 1.25 = 3.75. Yeah, not even close. I would throw out the Gallente Assault suit on the spot if that was the bonus it got, and switched to either the Gallente scout, or Minnie/Amarr assault.
You forgot the Armor Repair Skill.
It ends up being 4.6875hp/s, add the +2 it will probably get (for some reason I thought it would be +3, because I thought the scout got +5. I'm dumb sometimes too!), and you get a total of 6.6875hp/s, that's good. A complex repper will put the rep rate up to 9.81hp/s, a rep rate any assault would envy.
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Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
The Amarr Logi bonus is good though. I use Armor Repairers all the time because of it. An enhanced repper almost becomes a complex repper because of it.
3 * 1.25 = 3.75. Yeah, not even close. I would throw out the Gallente Assault suit on the spot if that was the bonus it got, and switched to either the Gallente scout, or Minnie/Amarr assault. You forgot the Armor Repair Skill. It ends up being 4.6875hp/s, add the +2 it will probably get (for some reason I thought it would be +3, because I thought the scout got +5. I'm dumb sometimes too!), and you get a total of 6.6875hp/s, that's good. A complex repper will put the rep rate up to 9.81hp/s, a rep rate any assault would envy.
And with a 50% bonus it would be 10.75hp/s.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
The Amarr Logi bonus is good though. I use Armor Repairers all the time because of it. An enhanced repper almost becomes a complex repper because of it.
3 * 1.25 = 3.75. Yeah, not even close. I would throw out the Gallente Assault suit on the spot if that was the bonus it got, and switched to either the Gallente scout, or Minnie/Amarr assault. You forgot the Armor Repair Skill. It ends up being 4.6875hp/s, add the +2 it will probably get (for some reason I thought it would be +3, because I thought the scout got +5. I'm dumb sometimes too!), and you get a total of 6.6875hp/s, that's good. A complex repper will put the rep rate up to 9.81hp/s, a rep rate any assault would envy. And with a 50% bonus it would be 10.75hp/s.
11.375hp/s actually.
2 passive.
+
(5GÇó1.25GÇó1.5)= 9.375
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11.375hp/s
With 2 complex armor repairers, that bonus would give a massive repair rate of 20.75hp/s
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Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
The Amarr Logi bonus is good though. I use Armor Repairers all the time because of it. An enhanced repper almost becomes a complex repper because of it.
3 * 1.25 = 3.75. Yeah, not even close. I would throw out the Gallente Assault suit on the spot if that was the bonus it got, and switched to either the Gallente scout, or Minnie/Amarr assault. You forgot the Armor Repair Skill. It ends up being 4.6875hp/s, add the +2 it will probably get (for some reason I thought it would be +3, because I thought the scout got +5. I'm dumb sometimes too!), and you get a total of 6.6875hp/s, that's good. A complex repper will put the rep rate up to 9.81hp/s, a rep rate any assault would envy. And with a 50% bonus it would be 10.75hp/s. 11.375hp/s actually. 2 passive. + (5GÇó1.25GÇó1.5)= 9.375 = 11.375hp/s With 2 complex armor repairers, that bonus would give a massive repair rate of 20.75hp/s
vs 14.5 without it.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc wrote:And the only good bonuses are the Amarr and Minmatar. Gallente - Shotgun is the only one who can benefit from this bonus. AR is already pretty damn accurate, plasmacannonlol. Caldari - I've said it before and I'll say it again, reloading at long range is a non issue. You have all the time in the world. These two bonuses are so insubstantive that I'm considering moving to Gallente scouts. And before anyone says anything, do the math, scouts are going to be amazing combat units.
Amarr weapons are mostly held back by heat issues, if they have that removed, they're god like and nothing can stop their weaponry. Minmatar weapons are mostly held back by small clips. The bonuses fix that. (AND explosive spam is going to happen) Gallente weapons are far from being held back by dispersion. Caldari weapons have no need for fast reloads at the distances they operate at. The bonuses: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813024#post1813024
the Gallente bonus is the worst and the Caldari bonus makes rail weapons even better in CQC rofl (smashing my head on the ground in a nger)
those bonuses would actually work 100% better if they were switched.
I think for the Gallente 3% rof and 3% clip increase (69 AR bullets) would suit the gun.
For the Caldari probably a 5% kick reduction WHILE IN ADS not when hip firing.
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Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
11.375hp/s actually.
2 passive.
+
(5GÇó1.25GÇó1.5)= 9.375
=
11.375hp/s
With 2 complex armor repairers, that bonus would give a massive repair rate of 20.75hp/s
vs 14.5 without it.
17.625. Jeez man, get yo' math right.
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Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
11.375hp/s actually.
2 passive.
+
(5GÇó1.25GÇó1.5)= 9.375
=
11.375hp/s
With 2 complex armor repairers, that bonus would give a massive repair rate of 20.75hp/s
vs 14.5 without it. 17.625. Jeez man, get yo' math right.
6.25 * 2 + 2.
6.25 = Complex armor rep + 25% bonus from skill.
How the **** is that wrong.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
11.375hp/s actually.
2 passive.
+
(5GÇó1.25GÇó1.5)= 9.375
=
11.375hp/s
With 2 complex armor repairers, that bonus would give a massive repair rate of 20.75hp/s
vs 14.5 without it. 17.625. Jeez man, get yo' math right. 6.25 * 2 + 2. 6.25 = Complex armor rep + 25% bonus from skill. How the **** is that wrong.
What are we arguing about? I don't think we're on the same page here.
I'm advocating a +5% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level, and I believe you are advoacing a +10% per level bonus.
I'm putting out numbers that the +5% bonus would give...
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Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
11.375hp/s actually.
2 passive.
+
(5GÇó1.25GÇó1.5)= 9.375
=
11.375hp/s
With 2 complex armor repairers, that bonus would give a massive repair rate of 20.75hp/s
vs 14.5 without it. 17.625. Jeez man, get yo' math right. 6.25 * 2 + 2. 6.25 = Complex armor rep + 25% bonus from skill. How the **** is that wrong. What are we arguing about? I don't think we're on the same page here. I'm advocating a +5% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level, and I believe you are advoacing a +10% per level bonus. I'm putting out numbers that the +5% bonus would give...
I'm saying that the 5% bonus would have such a tiny net effect that it would be a bad skill.
With TWO complex armor reps, the net effect is an extra 3~ hp/s.
That's assuming max skills too.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
What are we arguing about? I don't think we're on the same page here.
I'm advocating a +5% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level, and I believe you are advoacing a +10% per level bonus.
I'm putting out numbers that the +5% bonus would give...
I'm saying that the 5% bonus would have such a tiny net effect that it would be a bad skill. With TWO complex armor reps, the net effect is an extra 3~ hp/s. That's assuming max skills too.
But with 10% you get +6.25 Armor Reps with two. That a whole extra complex module just for having two reppers. 10% is too high, 7% might be the right number if you think 5 is too low.
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Fizzer94 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
What are we arguing about? I don't think we're on the same page here.
I'm advocating a +5% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level, and I believe you are advoacing a +10% per level bonus.
I'm putting out numbers that the +5% bonus would give...
I'm saying that the 5% bonus would have such a tiny net effect that it would be a bad skill. With TWO complex armor reps, the net effect is an extra 3~ hp/s. That's assuming max skills too. But with 10% you get +6.25 Armor Reps with two. That a whole extra complex module just for having two reppers. 10% is too high, 7% might be the right number if you think 5 is too low.
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Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:52:00 -
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I'm suddenly SUPER glad I didn't skill into Caldari assault all of the sudden. This character is built to tank the hell out of shields sooo.... Caldari heavy it is! |
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I don't know..
I don't use the RR (so ignore if you feel this makes my opinion invalid) but from what I've seen one of the main ways I've countered a RR user is forcing them to expend their ammo and taking them out on the reload. Also bear in mind the rifle is getting a reduction so you will likely be reloading more often.
As for the dispersion. To me that will make all the Gal tech incredible hipfire weapons - perfect for their playstyle to cover distance and then gun down enemies at close range. Without the need to ADS they can strafe faster and be more deadly up close and perhaps even mid range.
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I don't know..
I don't use the RR (so ignore if you feel this makes my opinion invalid) but from what I've seen one of the main ways I've countered a RR user is forcing them to expend their ammo and taking them out on the reload. Also bear in mind the rifle is getting a reduction so you will likely be reloading more often.
As for the dispersion. To me that will make all the Gal tech incredible hipfire weapons - perfect for their playstyle to cover distance and then gun down enemies at close range. Without the need to ADS they can strafe faster and be more deadly up close and perhaps even mid range.
Uhh...
Exactly three Gallente weapons will be affected by it.
One will barely see any effect.
The other isn't even released yet.
The third already has such a tight hip fire it's pointless.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Honestly I'd love to see gallente get +10% armor repairer efficacy per level - basic reps will fiction like adv with proto assault skill, adv will function like proto, and proto is "don't let this guy out of your sight ever", it really fits the races close quarters doctrine and would potentially let an assault run around with 2 reppers, 3 plates and a shotgun and have it be really viable.
I mean ideally the dropsuit skill should make every suit you wear in that category do what it does better - the current s outs and future scouts are like this, the future logis are very much like this as are the future heavies... Some of the assaults just seem a little left behind.
I love the minmatar bonuses, I love the amarr bonuses, the caldari and gallente need a bit of work. How about 5% instead? That's what the current Amarr Logi gets, I don't know why you think it should be doubled just because its an assault suit. Current logi also gets +1hp/sec on top of that, without that it amounts to about 2.5hp/sec if you're running 2 proto reps
The more I think of it, the more I believe that assaults should get bonus to their race's weapons, rather than bonuses to modules and the like
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3072
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:22:00 -
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I was only just coming to terms with the heat reduction on my Amarr suit being removed. Now it's back!?
But that Caldari bonus is bogus. It's only going be useful at the ranges Rail Rifles are already too effective at.
No.
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
173
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:01:00 -
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I like where Cat went with this. So what racial bonuses do people want? As always I would like a bigger cod piecee
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
734
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Nice thread, guys.
No issue with Amarr or Minmatar - the directly shore up a drawback to their racial weapons.
The Gallente bonus is a nice try, maybe a bit off the mark, to highlight CQC strength of their playstyle...I would recommend a slight ROF and dispersion buff.
The Caldari bonus is waaay bad; it doesn't address either the racial playstyle or rail weapon drawbacks. Recommendation is to have a 7% reduction in rail tech weapon charges time per level. This is on par with the Amarr and Mini bonuses.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Neo Rinzler
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:36:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I don't know..
I don't use the RR (so ignore if you feel this makes my opinion invalid) but from what I've seen one of the main ways I've countered a RR user is forcing them to expend their ammo and taking them out on the reload. Also bear in mind the rifle is getting a reduction so you will likely be reloading more often.
As for the dispersion. To me that will make all the Gal tech incredible hipfire weapons - perfect for their playstyle to cover distance and then gun down enemies at close range. Without the need to ADS they can strafe faster and be more deadly up close and perhaps even mid range.
ROF/Range increase would be a much better bonus ... RR already have a reload speed reduction as a skill in the RR tree and therefore the benefit is extremely minor and compared to the other bonuses especially the Amarrian bonus it is extremely UP ... |
Squagga
The State Protectorate
174
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:37:00 -
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Ashelia Skybrooke wrote:I'm suddenly SUPER glad I didn't skill into Caldari assault all of the sudden. This character is built to tank the hell out of shields sooo.... Caldari heavy it is!
What .. what the .. CCP is turning our own people against us!
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2417
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:58:00 -
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Those proposed bonuses are horrible......going to feedback section right now.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2320
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:06:00 -
[62] - Quote
If I ever play this game again it's going to be in gK.0 Scouts and Sentinels (and maybe Commandos?) after 1.8.
Who would use the Assaults? They're the most overlooked role, when they should be the basis for every other frame.
Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
176
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:10:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:If I ever play this game again it's going to be in gK.0 Scouts and Sentinels (and maybe Commandos?) after 1.8.
Who would use the Assaults? They're the most overlooked role, when they should be the basis for every other frame.
I don't think their overlooked. I think that they have been nerfd in the past half a year to accomodate the other suits that are starting to come out and probobly won't get very much attention while CCP is dealing with the bitching that is going to happen with the new suits coming out. As an assault guy I still don't have a lot of problems dealing with heavys and commandos. It's getting out numbered or shot in the back that are my real problems. Problems I figure out about on the battlefield and compensate for
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2320
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:42:00 -
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Squagga wrote:I don't think their overlooked. I think that they have been nerfd in the past half a year to accomodate the other suits that are starting to come out and probobly won't get very much attention while CCP is dealing with the bitching that is going to happen with the new suits coming out. As an assault guy I still don't have a lot of problems dealing with heavys and commandos. It's getting out numbered or shot in the back that are my real problems. Problems I figure out about on the battlefield and compensate for
They've always had awful bonuses and slot layouts for their price, when compared to their counterparts.
Assaults have never been nerfed, buffed, or adjusted. They're the exact same way they were in May, but everything you can equip on one has nerfed, **** on, and ****** with so much that it makes not using a niche suit a bad decision. They should be every Merc's "go-to" fitting, but I'd be willing to bet that 75% of all players haven't skilled them beyond the Medium Frames just to gain access to Logis. And who could blame them? Why bother when you can get the same H/L slot layout with 2 or 3 more Equipment slots and only lose a situational sidearm?
Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
270
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:31:00 -
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I'm somewhat torn because while I think the pg/CPU reduction on weapons is great and that the assault bonuses that make them just slightly better with weapons are very much in line with what assaults should be doing I also want to see them good at *assaulting* either through increased effectiveness of armor repairers, armor plates, shield extenders or shield regulators.
I really feel the gallente should get armor rep bonuses, the caldari shield extender, the minmatar shield reg, the amarr plates. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1189
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
This one is for CCP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8KR-n2fBQ
You-¦re totally out of touch with your game!
Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
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