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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:38:00 -
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CCP the nerf bat has been swung around wildly for almost 12 months shattering tons of players and wasting millions upon millions of SP. Its clear that you have a kills per weapon chart that can be viewed on a monthly basis. As developers you want to know player trends and use this chart, among other things, to see how actually usage of weapons and equipment relates to your expected or desired thresholds. However, I feel that these stats provided to the community will help curtail many "myths" and complaints as they would be able to see what is actually happening and what you intended.
With the aforementioned in mind, I want to petition the community to request the following monthly charts on a monthly basis:
- kills per infantry weapon
- kills per dropsuit race and type
- kills per vehicle
- kills per turret type
- Average SP trend
- SP totals (between all players how much total SP is invested in one skill or another , in the millions of SP)
Each chart must include both your expected thresholds for said attributes and your desired threshold.
I believe if we, the community of dust514, has this information there will be:
1. fewer complaints
2. fewer miss understandings
3. better suggestions
sign, by +1.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
730
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:43:00 -
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+1
I've engaged the CPM directly on this with little result. Only addition to your list is range of kill per weapon in the reporting period...say, long , mid, and short range.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3509
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:46:00 -
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Agreed, this would be helpful....like really helpful
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1504
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:45:00 -
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need more support.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
698
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:47:00 -
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But when something new comes out, the kills will be inflated. Not saying I disagree, I'm just throwing that out there.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
3999
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:48:00 -
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I think the community would simply misconstrued the data.
"The SMG has almost as many monthly kills as the Sniper Rifle! Nerf the SMG!"
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Yes, unfortunately sometimes the few ruin it for the whole.
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Debacle Nano
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
643
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think the community would simply misconstrued the data.
"The SMG has almost as many monthly kills as the Sniper Rifle! Nerf the SMG!"
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Yes, unfortunately sometimes the few ruin it for the whole.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1542
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:51:00 -
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No, I want Isk Efficiency per weapon stats.
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Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1507
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:53:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:But when something new comes out, the kills will be inflated. Not saying I disagree, I'm just throwing that out there.
this is why the expected threasholds and desired thresholds of CCP will be listed there. so it would be obvious if something is doing what it wasn't intended to do.
Knowing CCP's intent will help greatly with balance.
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
86
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:55:00 -
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Signed. |
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1509
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Posted - 2014.02.08 01:59:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think the community would simply misconstrued the data.
"The SMG has almost as many monthly kills as the Sniper Rifle! Nerf the SMG!"
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Yes, unfortunately sometimes the few ruin it for the whole.
since the expected and desired thresholds will be on the chart as well we will see what CCP really wanted the weapon to do, and see if it is performing how they wanted. for example.
chart shows: SMG has more kills than the sniper rifle.
however, the expected threshhold for SMGs is higher than the expected threshold for snipers. therefore, there is no problem.
-OR-
let's say that the chart shows that the SMG kills are keeping in line with the desired threshold for the SMG kills. However, the sniper kills have not reached their expected threshold. This would indicate that their is a problem with the sniper rifle. perhaps it needs a buff... then we look at the SP chart. we now see that their is 5x as much SP invested in SMGs than in snipers. indicating people aren't skilling into snipers.
end of example.
using these charts we can see trends and through analysis form our theories.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4001
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:00:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:But when something new comes out, the kills will be inflated. Not saying I disagree, I'm just throwing that out there. this is why the expected threasholds and desired thresholds of CCP will be listed there. so it would be obvious if something is doing what it wasn't intended to do. Knowing CCP's intent will help greatly with balance.
You were my 4,000th like! 
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1509
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:But when something new comes out, the kills will be inflated. Not saying I disagree, I'm just throwing that out there. this is why the expected threasholds and desired thresholds of CCP will be listed there. so it would be obvious if something is doing what it wasn't intended to do. Knowing CCP's intent will help greatly with balance. You were my 4,000th like!
send me 1,000,000 ISK please!!!! 
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
732
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:18:00 -
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I started the discussion with CPM on this specifically to get at two things:
Percentage of kills by weapon by month...to see if things were evening out amongst the 4 rifles or if really 80% of the players are using rail rifles as some would lead you to believe on the forums.
Range breakdown of kills by range...each weapon would show % kills in short! mid, and long range. My guess is you'll find the majority of the kills falling in ranges that are competitive for all weapons. I was also curious to see the numbers for the AR and RR - shortest and longest range respectively.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4002
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:21:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:But when something new comes out, the kills will be inflated. Not saying I disagree, I'm just throwing that out there. this is why the expected threasholds and desired thresholds of CCP will be listed there. so it would be obvious if something is doing what it wasn't intended to do. Knowing CCP's intent will help greatly with balance. You were my 4,000th like! send me 1,000,000 ISK please!!!!
I would, but I need all the ISK I can get... I've already lost ten million in a single day... Man I'm poor lol
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2565
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:35:00 -
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Great ideas but I don't like the SP tends and I'm confident it would hinder player growth.
Jihad Jeep Proficiency V
Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2565
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:44:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think the community would simply misconstrued the data.
"The SMG has almost as many monthly kills as the Sniper Rifle! Nerf the SMG!"
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Yes, unfortunately sometimes the few ruin it for the whole. let's say that the chart shows that the SMG kills are keeping in line with the desired threshold for the SMG kills. However, the sniper kills have not reached their expected threshold. This would indicate that their is a problem with the sniper rifle. perhaps it needs a buff... then we look at the SP chart. we now see that their is 5x as much SP invested in SMGs than in snipers. indicating people aren't skilling into snipers. end of example. using these charts we can see trends and through analysis form our theories.
This is incredibly brilliant. You could create market demand anf tactical diversity by engineering FotM trends.
Not to mention open-source weapon balancing.
Jihad Jeep Proficiency V
Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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zibathy numbertwo
Nox Aeterna Security
443
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:41:00 -
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bump
AR
Dmg: 34,
RoF: 750 RPM,
DPS: 425,
RR
Dmg: 55,
RoF: 461 RPM,
DPS: 422,
+ double the range.
Balanced.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2487
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:44:00 -
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That be awesome.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
4430
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:44:00 -
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Signed
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1517
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:D legendary hero wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:But when something new comes out, the kills will be inflated. Not saying I disagree, I'm just throwing that out there. this is why the expected threasholds and desired thresholds of CCP will be listed there. so it would be obvious if something is doing what it wasn't intended to do. Knowing CCP's intent will help greatly with balance. You were my 4,000th like! send me 1,000,000 ISK please!!!! I would, but I need all the ISK I can get... I've already lost ten million in a single day... Man I'm poor lol
i guess ill send you a million then. its too bad players dnt get recepts for their purchases and transfers
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Cyrius Li-Moody
3340
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:12:00 -
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I'm all for more stats of all kinds.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1517
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:13:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I started the discussion with CPM on this specifically to get at two things:
Percentage of kills by weapon by month...to see if things were evening out amongst the 4 rifles or if really 80% of the players are using rail rifles as some would lead you to believe on the forums.
Range breakdown of kills by range...each weapon would show % kills in short! mid, and long range. My guess is you'll find the majority of the kills falling in ranges that are competitive for all weapons. I was also curious to see the numbers for the AR and RR - shortest and longest range respectively.
this could be helpful. The percentages could be calculated from the actual numbers in the charts i recommended. Having the ranges would be nice but troublesome for some weapons.
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Jackof All-Trades
The Black Renaissance
447
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Posted - 2014.02.08 07:11:00 -
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I want to top those plasma cannon kill boards
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
5669
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Posted - 2014.02.08 07:16:00 -
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If CCP were to release every stat we were curious about, we wouldn't be getting any new content (inb4lulz).
Also, this thread is now a petition to ban people from the forums that create petitions. Every post after this one will count as a signature for this petition, regardless if they consent to signing or not.
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2567
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:30:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:If CCP were to release every stat we were curious about, we wouldn't be getting any new content (inb4lulz).
Also, this thread is now a petition to ban people from the forums that create petitions. Every post after this one will count as a signature for this petition, regardless if they consent to signing or not. The content of the post will in no way allow the poster to opt out of signing this petition.
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CCP could just give us the API. I know we have more than a few competent individuals who would love to get this sort of website up and running.
D legendary, my advice is to repost this in the Technology Lab section of the forums. Your post really deserves more attention.
Jihad Jeep Proficiency V
Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4017
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:35:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:
...its too bad players dnt get recepts for their purchases and transfers
You do actually.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1525
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Posted - 2014.02.08 22:11:00 -
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bump
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1540
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:20:00 -
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sign +1
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PEW JACKSON
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
215
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:22:00 -
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Signed +1
Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
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