so, today, when I driving my PROTO missile sheild with more than 6000eHP and hardener, I saw a mit shield tank, I active my damage mod and hardener, shot at him, no miss, and you know what? I CAN'T EVEN BREAK HIS SHIELD, he turn around, use his blaster to kill my, BEFORE I FINISH RELOAD, I HAVE ALL SKILL WITH MISSILE AT FULLY TARINED, HOW IS IT POSIBLE TO LET A FULLY TARINED PLAYER SHOT THE FIRST SHOT AND GET KILL BY MIT, WHY MISSILE ARE SO UNDER POWER

Infantry AV in a nutshell. Don't feel to good, does it?

The more you know *Shooting Star Rainbow*

Its the same concept.

Missiles don't work as well against shields. Shields have better resists. However, it's the rail turret that is broken. Missiles should not have to worry about a rail in CQ but as is now they do. Blasters are no worry as long as hardeners are up.

Missiles tear up armor though. You do have to get more than one volley on a well hardened and repped armor tank. But, you have to dance with them.

That's the biggest thing that tank changes made GÇô you have to do the texas two step in order to take out a tank while avoiding their shots.

If it's a shield rank with hardener on, drive over/under them and keep going. If they have a rail, no matter the tank drive over/under and if hardened shield keep going and come back around when hardener is down. If armor with rail, go over and turn to fire or roll under and fire.

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And there are a few things wrong with your argument here (or lack thereof):

1. Swarms require skill in the sense that every weapon in the game can easily destroy you.
2. Swarm Launchers are incapable of traveling around corners.
3. HAVs and respective turrets require no skill. Both in terms of SP and operation.
4. Aren't HAVs operate and forget as well? What's your point?

Anyways, Missile Turrets and Swarm Launchers both fire missiles, are classified as explosives, and are theoretically useless against shielded vehicles.

Please try harder, at least Spkr makes it fun. Easy, yet still very fun...

I used the word "operate" because I lacked a better term. However, I shall clarify what I mean.

In order to do well in a tank, all you have to do is:

1. Activate Your Hardener(s)
2. Forget about everything. (Bar Railguns)

I never really got missiles down.....I don't know if you can say forget about everything.....but for the most part on any double of triple Shield Hardened Tanks you basically activate and forget.....

I honestly don't understand why tankers right now like to think there is so much skill involved in tanking. That was removed during the change from 1.6 to 1.7 when we got the capacity to laughably tank every aspect of anti vehicle fire with relative ease... I say that having been on the receiving end of some very skilled AVers.....

Tanking is, yes, essentially just a matter of hitting the hardeners, then the damage modules, then duking it out until one side cowers or is destroyed......

In some cases I don't mind this aspect of vehicles.....in others I do.....game is less about the quality of the fitting of your tank and more about the capacity or length of hardener durations....

Any tips for a missiler Atiim?

Rails were fine the way they were. It makes no sense for them to be as good at CQ. There is a reason you see every joe and his mother running a mil rail now. High damage has nothing to do with CQ efficiency. If the rail is going to be a one stop shop why even have anything else in the game? Why even have missiles?

Rails the way they were vs. missiles now creates a role for each and defines the Caldari the way they are supposed to be. Missiles could benefit from longer range too but then you have the same overlap. It's bad enough you have to get point blank to guarantee a kill.

You fire a rail turret in CQ in EVE it doesn't hit sh*t. It can't track fast enough and it's RoF can't keep up. The Caldari defined.

I tell ya, the fanboi mentality is getting bad. Any change made that benefits a certain player and they defend it despite lore, variety or prior mechanics.