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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHy6CXWk3K4

A FANTASTIC look at the problem with Redline Rails in their current state of the game. Check it out.

Redline faggotry ftw
I expect this to be fixed SoonTM.

Made even more ridiculous thanks to stacking 30% damage mods and a buff to their base damage amounts. Various comments from CCP members make it sound like they've payed attention to Judge's videos and discuss them among the dev team, hopefully they're listening now.

That may not work.... having the battlefield higher than the red line would make dropping in dropships after the start of the match more dangerous... and on that note, why do FLYING units get dropped of by flying units...why can't they launch from the MCC.. Also why do they have to reload at the ground, and not at the MCC? Maybe it's just me wanting the MCC to do more than just float there and take damage.

Hey guys

We've had a discussion with the CPM before and are aware of issues around Red Line Railguns - honestly we're not happy with them and it's something we want to address.

I personally spoke with Judge last night about this and we threw around some suggestions. As far as I'm aware, it's unfortunately not a simple fix because of the way that the projectiles are handled (and they're not a server-side change). I'll be forwarding this video on to Wolfman/Remnant though and seeing what we can do. :)

Thanks for pulling it together - this sort of feedback is great.

Make railguns behave like the mass driver(of old?). Have the projectile disappear after a certain duration. Make this distance ONLY so short as to make the railguns all but useless on anything but their home point from the red line.

I don't think changing the firing angle for tanks is a good idea. Being unable to hit something because it is close and high like a Forge Gunner on a roof or a Tank on a ridge sucks. Good Assault Dropships pilots are already a decent enough hazard for tanks if they can get in out dead zones so I am unsure that increasing those is a great idea (and a shout out to all the DS pilots that have run me out of a location; damn fine job). Saying that tanker could easily see the dropship coming before it gets in the tank's deadzone is a little hazy as the dropship can maneuver into position fairly easily without being spotted, providing the tank isn't being a giant redline sissy.

The problem is the fact that the only way to beat a redline tank is to be in the redline. Pause the video at about 2 minutes. The enemy tank in the redline probably was in the redline because Judge's team had a sniper tank (left side of the map). I am an avid tanker, I have been since about 2 months of playing the game so maybe early March 2013, but the redline railgun thing sucks. Not being able to field a tank without getting pelted by some giant sissy deep in the enemy redline is really lame.

I don't know what the fix is but I eagerly await it.

In other words you run in tanks squads?

Rails should be long range just not 600m (across the map) make it like 400 then they will be forced to come off that hill and CCP PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT HAVS ON TOP OF TOWERS.

Oh can anyone tell me if this looks right

Swarms 175m

Rail Turret 600m

Blaster Turret 225m (the longest I've been killed by one)

Missile Turret ? I haven't seen a long distance kill yet cause their not really used.

Missile Turret from
Asslt Dropship 215m my longest death




SWARMS SUCK I WANT MY SP BACK

Considering 600m nets them near full map coverage from the redline I don't see that as being unreasonable. If Snipers had a 600m optimal range then I don't think nerfing that would be unreasonable either. The look of the weapon shouldn't have any bearing on how that weapon is balanced.
:P



This is an irrelevant point at the end of the day. If we were at all concerned about making the game jive with real world war conventions then Tanks wouldn't be able to be effectively operated by a single pilot to begin with. The Railgun could have a 20m range if it provided an overall positive effect to the balance in the game (it wouldn't so I'm not suggesting that).



It's a good thing the case for nerfing Rails isn't held by just a few people then. In their current incarnation in the game they're acting like a Shotgun with 600m range. You make comparisons between it and the Sniper rifle but, last time I checked, I couldn't effectively use a Sniper Rifle in 20m just as easily I could use it at 200m. It's overall flexibility compared to other turrets isn't just a problem when it comes to Tank v. Dropship, they're a problem in Tank v. Tank as well.

You do realize that this whole topic is about railguns relation to the redline, right?

You do know todays tanks can't park in the redline, right?