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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.11 23:07:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:First, let me start with the disclaimer, I hate dropships and dropship pilots, mainly because they are a continuous and nebulous threat just waiting to rush in and ruin my gunfight and they usually think they deserve to be unassailable. I'll look at the lineup before a pubmatch and offer my squad bounties on known dropship pilots. "First one of you to kill X (Judge) in his DS gets a million isk!"__ I usually go on to say I don't care how, rail installations are best, but ramming the DS with another DS is encouraged. Swarms only work in combination with numerous other AVers and they should be buffed, they need to be fast enough to hit dropships that hit afterburners and outrun every other volley. An AA swarm is needed. Anyway, the idea of limiting rail elevation and range is unreasonable. You will always be able to use terrain contours to elevate a shot above the normal range of motion, so any additional limits would be pointless. As for limiting range, it would neutralize the role of AV sniper. I realize you don't like being sniped, but you should be thankful you have enough EHP to avoid being one-shotted. You're already basically immune to infantry AV, but that's not enough for you (typical DS pilot entitlement). I would grant you a higher flight ceiling, or cheaper dropships, but not immunity from snipers. As for redlines, they are only an issues with Skirmish 2.0 and Domination (lame game modes). I hope they fix the redline problem by reverting back to Skirmish 1.0 (a knockoff of BF rush). Attacking in circles (from A to B to C and back to A) feels a bit circular, and rolling objectives on longer narrow maps would make the busdriver role less lame.
Instead of writing this you could have just said:
Hi, my name is Luk Manag. I do not understand dropships and I do not know what to do when encountered by one. I would prefer it if dropships did not exist, because I am not willing nor able to incorporate dropships into my game strategy.
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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:38:00 -
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How dare you, Numnutz? You know the rules. Get out of here with that logic.
I'm really tired of this. So I need to share some information that is "controversial" that people won't admit is true. If you are easily offended, don't read this. If you are so closed-minded that you don't want to think today, then video game flying machines are the least your priorities. If you don't care for my exposition just skip it.
Not being skilled enough to be a pilot myself (I try though), I have worked with several Dropship pilots, including Judge and of course Numnutz, and have been very entertained with their very unique perspective of the game. I watched Pvt Numnutz learn how to turn a flying boat that exploded when it felt like it into arguably one of the most powerful strategic assets in the game. Anyone who doubts or undermines their skill is a jealous liar. Anyone who questions their utility is simply inexperienced (and letting everyone know). Anyone who believes that the concerns of Dropship pilots aren't justified, or worse, small-minded enough to believe that they are the same or even in the same league as those of tank pilots are simply not qualified to have an opinion on the matter.
Sorry, don't mean to be so blunt , but the matter of fact is that you aren't actually entitled to your own opinion on every subject. The only place where you are a special snowflake is on the internet where you can say things without real consequence or any actual validation. At the end of the day if you don't have anything tangible, in particular hours of experience, to back up what you have to say then your opinion is simply not relevant. This is the root problem with the state of world leadership at the moment. Different stances are presented side-by-side as though they are equally valid stances to have. Turns out, some people are actually just plain wrong. Who knew, right?
Luk Manag, your vendetta against dropships is not wrong to have nor unfounded. However, it does not qualify you to disagree with well-respected and experienced players who specifically analyze every permutation of their subject and construct informed, presentable articulation. In fact your attitude toward pilots shows that you are very myopic and like I said in previous response, you just don't want to adapt. In case you really don't understand what I am trying to say here: you are absolutely the coolest person ever and I absolutely respect you for deciding that your definitive goal is to be the enemy of all Dropships...however...your examples of your experience with AV demonstrate that your actual knowledge of Dropships and how they fit in the balance of the game as a whole is limited to your poor attempts to engage them. Your willingness to admit how you do things doesn't prove what you think it does.
This little thesis of mine isn't necessarily only directed at at only you, Luk. This is also a response to the other posters in this thread that need to be reminded every so often that their personal experiences are not indicative of the whole picture. It is not in any way unreasonable to expect at least some experience at the level some of these Pilots play at to criticize their methods. In general most of this is information is common knowledge that functional people already know but don't want to deal with. Honestly I can't tell anyone how to behave or what they should do, but most people are NOT incapable of understanding how things actually work on a bigger scale, but simply unwilling. Before you start the butthurt engines, understand that It's perfectly fine to be wrong. It becomes a problem when you don't realize or want to admit it.
The reason I'm so heated is that its really disappointing that after reasonable, experienced, well-supported, specific, and altogether correct analysis, you guys still go and run to defend your exploit machines. You would have reason to but instead of bringing the level of analysis Judge brings you offer "I can't deal with Dropships, so that's all they want". You would think that the final nail in the coffin would be DEVELOPER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that something is WRONG. Seriously, please use your brains, they can do cool things.
/rant. TL;DR: that's a shame.
Back on topic, Judge, an intelligent, fair assessment as always. Please forgive me for derailing the thread to tell people that they can't act like they are toddlers and get away with it. I hope that once some AV options come in to deal with the current state of HAVs people will stop being so puerile about them. And honestly the thing that tips me off is that people are so unwilling to give Pilots the respect of at least acknowledging that you have reasonable opinions that vary greatly from their preconceptions.
Actual input: Guess what? One Proto Forge (of really any variety) generally can shut down (if not kill, force a recall or flight ceiling) 1-2 dropships. A team of two or three well supplied, well positioned Forge guns can often reliably keep the fight at low altitude. This is a situation where team/squad coordination and pilot skill come in to play in preventing that situation to occur in the first place by communication and general smart play. The reason I can see that being balanced is that as a Forge Gunner I consistently am shut down by pilots who are a step ahead of me. A rail tank in his redline does not create this situation. He is able to be 100% risk free in his ability to remove the ability to use dropships at all. That is not fair, as most everything else has a certain level of required input for the level of output. For my ability to put out vehicle-destroying damage I pay the penalty of waddling around hoping that I don't take knives to the back on my way to try to shoot at you. The icing on the cake is that my AV Forge fits cost more ISK that some tanks.
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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.13 08:18:00 -
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Atikali Havendoorr wrote:I nominate this to the Post of the week! I somehow predicted someone would bring up Doge.
Meh, It doesn't matter if anyone even read what I said, it doesn't change that Judge Rhadamanthus had a good video that deserved a bump, and that he deserves a little more respect for what he has to say.
Someone who thinks that dropships are impossible to avoid or even remotely difficult to kill has no idea what they are talking about. Everyone knows that dropships are made of tin foil and construction paper.
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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.13 20:56:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:I read it. It was epic. Also just as a bit of trivia; the script I wrote for the video is 6000 words long. That's 10 pages printed out. And this is the edit. Those coloured bars are video segments. Each colour is a clip from a different video. Each video is recorded separately when I play the game. I used footage from 23 games. I have to record at least 60 games to get the 23 videos I needed and the right footage. I lost 32 million ISK in ships and tanks to get the footage of kills, maps and altitude etc for this single video. I have to be absoluty sure in what rails can do to a dropship and that means letting myself get killed with many different fits. People shot me down while I hovered to get the 100m and 200m footage i used in the side by side segment. That segment cost 3 million Isk alone. The blue bars in the FX rows in that edit are the special effects like the pointy green hand and the side by side. They have to be key-framed and animated by frame keys, which takes about 10 minutes to get 5 seconds of footage completed.
Thanks for taking the time. On the subject of creating all of the scenarios, well done, and damn maybe we need a PS3 (or PS4 hint hint CCP) based Unreal Editor. I am absolutely sure you don't need the money, but I'm sending you some now to cover at least a few your expenses. I am happy to help support the endeavors of dropship pilots. I am in a strange state in RL at the moment, which is preventing me from putting time into anything, but I plan to also make Dust-related Youtube content when I get the chance. Thanks for generating content, keep doing what you do.
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