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The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 92	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:41:00 - [1] - Quote I prefer a respec of some sort, but I can live without. What is killing is not knowing if there will be one or not so I know what to do with my SP. If I knew for sure that we will be having a respec, I can spend my SP know on things I always wanted to try knowing I will get my SP back if I dont like it. But not knowing is keeping me from doing that. A simple yes or no would be nice.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1082	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:43:00 - [2] - Quote Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 730	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:45:00 - [3] - Quote Enjoy the limbo that is between now and 1.8. I'll now say something about how CCP works in its mysterious ways, but I won't as I have to obey the forum rules.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 164	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:45:00 - [4] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. I'd just use my accumulate SP... That would be nice and underhanded. P.A.I.R.- Pilot Against Invisible RDVs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10595	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:50:00 - [5] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. Why would I buy aurum for a game that's just going to drastically change around my decisions at the drop of a hat, without giving me the chance to spend my earned SP how I want in light of new framework? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 350	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:51:00 - [6] - Quote we want respec "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1173	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:57:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. Why would I buy aurum for a game that's just going to drastically change around my decisions at the drop of a hat?, without giving me the chance to spend my earned SP how I want in light of new framework? This is why im not paying anything more for dust. If they change their approach on how to handle SP reallocation when changes are implemented I might also change... Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1723	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:57:00 - [8] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. People would still ***** about not getting a respec. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 661	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:59:00 - [9] - Quote Respec so I can get out of all the Gallente and Matari crap I have. I want my Caldari stuff!!!! I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1173	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:59:00 - [10] - Quote Also. Please give us a confirmation if SP will be reallocated for infantry before the next expansion? Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1384	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:01:00 - [11] - Quote I think they've given us enough time and notice for us to save up for the new stuff. If it weren't for the fact they hinted at a final respec during EVE Vegas I'd say they weren't giving anymore. The only ones they have given were because they changed the skilltree itself, not the content on it. When they changed the Cal Logi bonuses there was no respec, when they added the commando suits and rifles there was no respec. They may be adding and changing a lot, but they will constantly be doing it and can't give a respec everytime. That said... They have yet to release all the racial vehicles, which would mean likely rebalancing. If they were to give a final respec it would likely coincide with that, unless of course they did the infantry and vehicle trees seperately. They don't do respecs to appease players who wanted something they didn't have, they do it because when they rework the skill tree they need to have an easy way of compensating potentially lost SP. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 583	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:05:00 - [12] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. Don't give them any ideas. Seriously, there will be a mass exodus from the game should this happen. Game has done nothing but get worse every patch and now when there is a nice step in the right direction you're going to stonewall the players?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1040	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:09:00 - [13] - Quote You guys are going to have had at least 2 months of time to grind those SP since the announcement, so stop being such splerging nerds.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 898	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:11:00 - [14] - Quote I feel reasonably confident we'll get a respec of at least the suits and suit upgrades. I'm marginally confident that we'll see weapon respecs as well. I tend to be a strict "no respec" guy, but I think this final one is necessary to get a healthy distribution across the races for suits like the heavies and scouts. This will be important due to the increasing importance of racial weapon/suit synergy and racial resistance tanking being more relevant. The whole approach is excellent because it will produce natural counters to FOTM fits, but it is dependent on players fielding a wide array of suits to work, and a respec to kick off the dropsuit racial symmetry is just what the doctor ordered. Best PvE idea ever!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4384	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:12:00 - [15] - Quote Wish the heavy weapons were in 1.8, then it would be the final one....... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1040	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:13:00 - [16] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I feel reasonably confident we'll get a respec of at least the suits and suit upgrades. I'm marginally confident that we'll see weapon respecs as well. I tend to be a strict "no respec" guy, but I think this final one is necessary to get a healthy distribution across the races for suits like the heavies and scouts. This will be important due to the increasing importance of racial weapon/suit synergy and racial resistance tanking being more relevant. Liar, I bet you're one of the assault logis trying to get back some of that FOTM SP you spent.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1086	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:14:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. Why would I buy aurum for a game that's just going to drastically change around my decisions at the drop of a hat, without giving me the chance to spend my earned SP how I want in light of new framework? Thats the game you signed up for Fiend. If you wanted a game that releases and changes very little then you chose wrong. CCP has never built a game even closely like that. not even their boardgame.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10595	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:14:00 - [18] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I feel reasonably confident we'll get a respec of at least the suits and suit upgrades. I'm marginally confident that we'll see weapon respecs as well. I tend to be a strict "no respec" guy, but I think this final one is necessary to get a healthy distribution across the races for suits like the heavies and scouts. This will be important due to the increasing importance of racial weapon/suit synergy and racial resistance tanking being more relevant. Liar, I bet you're one of the assault logis trying to get back some of that FOTM SP you spent. Only bad players worry about FoTM, because they lack the skill to keep up with people who have strong builds. Skilled players kill what's in front of them. @ Bethy, pretty sure the game I've been playing has seen a number of respecs already, and I can't wait to dance around the forums with my 'Bethy was so wrong long live 1.8 respec' signature once it comes. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2972	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:18:00 - [19] - Quote You might as well hold your questions until after the 10th to give the people that will be making the decision a chance to get back to the office. They know this is a big question though and will announce as soon as they can. From what I understand the two biggest issues are that 1.8 doesn't involve removing skills and that you'll all demand even more respecs with every little new item to hit the market. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1086	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:18:00 - [20] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. People would still ***** about not getting a respec. There hasn't been one patch where the same people you see in every respec thread are not asking for one, Doesnt matter how small the Patch is. Since Uprising launch "DUST Fiend" for example has gained a majority of his likes from Respec threads.. for 8 months... Its hilarious...

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1384	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:20:00 - [21] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I feel reasonably confident we'll get a respec of at least the suits and suit upgrades. I'm marginally confident that we'll see weapon respecs as well. I tend to be a strict "no respec" guy, but I think this final one is necessary to get a healthy distribution across the races for suits like the heavies and scouts. This will be important due to the increasing importance of racial weapon/suit synergy and racial resistance tanking being more relevant. The whole approach is excellent because it will produce natural counters to FOTM fits, but it is dependent on players fielding a wide array of suits to work, and a respec to kick off the dropsuit racial symmetry is just what the doctor ordered. I'm in the same boat as you, but without all racial vehicles, heavy weapons, overall balance, and a decent new player experience it might be better for them to hold off before giving the final respec. If they are smart and really only plan to do one final one, they'll hold off, we've had plenty of notice and an SP event so anybody with an ounce of self control should be able to save up to try the new gear, or compensate for changed bonuses/suits. Since the announcement I have almost 4 mil SP saved up. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10596	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:20:00 - [22] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Bethhy wrote: Imagine no Respec. Omega Booster's on sale for 1.8. And 6x Cap out experience Event. Aurum sales would sky rocket. People would still ***** about not getting a respec. There hasn't been one patch where the same people you see in every respec thread are not asking for one, Doesnt matter how small the Patch is. Since Uprising launch "DUST Fiend" for example has gained a majority of his likes from Respec threads.. for 8 months... Its hilarious... Majority of my likes? Lmao, right. Don't take away from my lack of life and the fact that GD is my living room. I get likes because I'm amusing. I happen to support respecs when massive changes come through, wow, what a shock! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2690	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:22:00 - [23] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Wish the heavy weapons were in 1.8, then it would be the final one....... The final one? We would still be missing the Gallente heavy weapon..... Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1040	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:28:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Only bad players worry about FoTM, because they lack the skill to keep up with people who have strong builds. Skilled players kill what's in front of them. I agree with your conclusion that Vell0cet and everyone else asking for respecs are bad players.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1384	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:42:00 - [25] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: From what I understand the two biggest issues are that 1.8 doesn't involve removing skills and that you'll all demand even more respecs with every little new item to hit the market. Exactly, all the other repecs involved skill removals. They have done stat changes and content additions before and none of them came with respecs. More change does not warrant a respec based on past history. 1st Respec Uprsing 1.0: Complete skill tree rework. Necessary as skills were rearranged created, destroyed and given different costs. Complete gear refund. 2nd Respec (optional) Reduction in SP cost and requirements for certain skills. Necessary to compensate for change in basic suits which were originally a massive (useless) SP sink. This went terribly, and will likely mean the only respecs there will be in the future are blanket. 3rd Respec Uprising 1.7: Complete Vehicle tree rework. Necessary as skills were taken away and added and the whole trees were different. Only done to vehicle trees. Went smoothly. Partial vehicle refund. ?4th Respec 1.8? : Additional content and suit bonus changes. Not necessary and doesn't warrant a respec. Even with more content and reworks it doesn't actually change the tree itself or remove any skills. Something may change it's role or worth but it still exists as it did for the most part. Dissapointing? Yes, Unfair? No, we all take the same risk, and we were given more than enough notice to save up for alternatives. They gave the second respec because they changed the prices of a few skills, a small thing compared to adding new content, but they also have never given a respec for changed or added content because that would warrant doing it every time something new came out. They want you to grind for everything you try and everything you specialize in, it's how they make their money and won't give a respec unless SP would actually be lost, not necessarily made less useful, in which case they try to balance things out. Heavies and HMG users demanded respecs for the longest time, now that they're buffed people are moving back towards it. Scout users did the same because they lost effectiveness, now that cloaking is coming into the game do you think it will be more popular? Them giving a respec isn't the issue, it's the mentality by many players that they have to every time they change things, that will lead people to never stop thinking they'll get one and keep wasting SP on what they think is the best instead of what they enjoy the most. It's a F2P game, and if you really don't like what you have or want to try something different create a new PSN and build passive SP, CCP won't risk losing money on grind because people are too lazy to create second accounts or too impulsive to spend their SP carefully. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
CHECHOWOMAN X EDEN HISPANO XXX Zero-Day 8	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:47:00 - [26] - Quote Answer? " EDEN HISPANO XXX " recluta y la alianza " ZERO-DAY " los mas simpaticos ! para alguna de las 2 opciones " CHECHOMAN "
Justice Darling Themis Argonauts 23	Posted - 2014.02.05 18:13:00 - [27] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I prefer a respec of some sort, but I can live without. What is killing is not knowing if there will be one or not so I know what to do with my SP. If I knew for sure that we will be having a respec, I can spend my SP know on things I always wanted to try knowing I will get my SP back if I dont like it. But not knowing is keeping me from doing that. A simple yes or no would be nice. as far as respec goes it should just cost 1000 AUR and lets call it a day!
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 18	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:18:00 - [28] - Quote GÇ£RespecGÇ¥ by Aretha Franklin is one of my all-time favorites. I am for a respec, for reasons detailed in other posts, but since this has always been a contentious issue, why not just add a mechanic to accommodate an occasional respec? This would stop people from chomping at the bit every time a new feature is released, which is what seems to bother the anti-respec camp the most. In EVE, players gain SP passively, period. The amount of SP they gain depends on their attributes, which can be remapped annually and under other special circumstances. But the main difference between the two systems is that in EVE, you pick your skill prior to investing SP, while in Dust itGÇÖs reversed. This makes it much easier to GÇ£wasteGÇ¥ SP in Dust, since in EVE, if youGÇÖre training a skill you suddenly fall out of love with, you can just remove it from the skill tree at any time, having only partially invested in a skill level. Not so in DustGÇöitGÇÖs all or nothing. Considering this, an occasional respec makes sense as it would allow players (especially NEW players) the chance to make mistakes and fix them. I think this is preferable to folks scrapping a toon to restart from scratch, since in most cases such players are new, and this does nothing to level the playing field for them vs. vets. A remap like this could either be a guaranteed, one-a-year deal, as in EVE, or maybe a respec could be GÇ£purchasedGÇ¥ for some amount of SP (ie, players would be slightly penalized each time, in order to minimize rampant respeccing). Attribute remapping : EVE :: respec : Dust Have you seen my baseball?
Nirwanda Vaughns 312	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:29:00 - [29] - Quote If anything the most you can expect will be a refund of SP and Isk for dropsuit command skill tree. if am honest i think thats the most fair seeign as vehicle users received the same thing and in 1.8 there is a huge amount of changes to skills and roles of suits as well as all the new suits. personally i have the suits i want, sure i'd liek to re-arrange some SP into other stuff but if i don't get it then not too worry. recently though i've been storing my sp and/or just putting it into dropsuit upgrades and improving my AR/CR/Swarms to be on the safe side Proto and proud!!
Ryterik Mordor's Finest 0	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:49:00 - [30] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Only bad players worry about FoTM, because they lack the skill to keep up with people who have strong builds. Skilled players kill what's in front of them. I agree with your conclusion that Vell0cet and everyone else asking for respecs are bad players. I disagree. I just started playing again recently (I was in beta) and like a newbie I started spending my SP on anything willy nilley. Well, I am now stuck with half my points in skills I would never use now that I have a better understanding of the game and I would rather put it into skills that I want for this character. I would rather not start a new character and lose my currently accrued SP. Maybe give the players a 1 life-time respec?



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