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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:56:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:What is killing is not knowing if there will be one or not so I know what to do with my SP.
Aren't they still on vacation for another 5 days?
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:56:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I prefer a respec of some sort, but I can live without. What is killing is not knowing if there will be one or not so I know what to do with my SP. If I knew for sure that we will be having a respec, I can spend my SP know on things I always wanted to try knowing I will get my SP back if I dont like it. But not knowing is keeping me from doing that. A simple yes or no would be nice.
Maybe this is why they're not saying. If they announce a respec, people will do what you're suggesting, knowing full well that it's not going to be permanent. Plus we're probably at least a month off 1.8, which is when they'll do the respec if there is one so it's far too early for them to be announcing.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:59:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:GÇ£RespecGÇ¥ by Aretha Franklin is one of my all-time favorites. I am for a respec, for reasons detailed in other posts, but since this has always been a contentious issue, why not just add a mechanic to accommodate an occasional respec? This would stop people from chomping at the bit every time a new feature is released, which is what seems to bother the anti-respec camp the most. In EVE, players gain SP passively, period. The amount of SP they gain depends on their attributes, which can be remapped annually and under other special circumstances. But the main difference between the two systems is that in EVE, you pick your skill prior to investing SP, while in Dust itGÇÖs reversed. This makes it much easier to GÇ£wasteGÇ¥ SP in Dust, since in EVE, if youGÇÖre training a skill you suddenly fall out of love with, you can just remove it from the skill tree at any time, having only partially invested in a skill level. Not so in DustGÇöitGÇÖs all or nothing. Considering this, an occasional respec makes sense as it would allow players (especially NEW players) the chance to make mistakes and fix them. I think this is preferable to folks scrapping a toon to restart from scratch, since in most cases such players are new, and this does nothing to level the playing field for them vs. vets. A remap like this could either be a guaranteed, one-a-year deal, as in EVE, or maybe a respec could be GÇ£purchasedGÇ¥ for some amount of SP (ie, players would be slightly penalized each time, in order to minimize rampant respeccing). Attribute remapping : EVE :: respec : Dust
In EVE you don't automatically gain SP. You have to make sure you have skills set in your skill queue or else the time you pay for is unproductive. In Dust, we don't have to pay and get given SP for literally nothing other than creating an account.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10598
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:36:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:
In EVE you don't automatically gain SP. You have to make sure you have skills set in your skill queue or else the time you pay for is unproductive. In Dust, we don't have to pay and get given SP for literally nothing other than creating an account.
Taking 5 minutes a month to ensure full SP gain isn't exactly hard.
Try running passive only SP on a DUST character and see how long it takes you to get anywhere
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
4392
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:22:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Wish the heavy weapons were in 1.8, then it would be the final one....... The final one? We would still be missing the Gallente heavy weapon.....
Are you trololing or.......
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:
In EVE you don't automatically gain SP. You have to make sure you have skills set in your skill queue or else the time you pay for is unproductive. In Dust, we don't have to pay and get given SP for literally nothing other than creating an account.
Taking 5 minutes a month to ensure full SP gain isn't exactly hard. Try running passive only SP on a DUST character and see how long it takes you to get anywhere
I'm a pre-launch character with about 10.6 mill sp. I think I have an idea how long it takes to get anywhere with just passive SP.
Likewise, I have a 7 year old capsuleer who has 36.6 mill sp. Partly because I had periods where I had to stop paying for EVE for financial reasons and partly because there was a time when I was just so bored with the game that despite the direct debt paying my sub each month, I didn't log into EVE even to set my skills.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
901
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:22:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I feel reasonably confident we'll get a respec of at least the suits and suit upgrades. I'm marginally confident that we'll see weapon respecs as well. I tend to be a strict "no respec" guy, but I think this final one is necessary to get a healthy distribution across the races for suits like the heavies and scouts. This will be important due to the increasing importance of racial weapon/suit synergy and racial resistance tanking being more relevant. Liar, I bet you're one of the assault logis trying to get back some of that FOTM SP you spent.
My only proto suit is Amarr Assault, I have Amarr Logi to 3 and Gallente Scout to 3 as well. I probably wouldn't change much with a respec except for switching my Gallente Scout for an Amarr Scout, but that's a tough call right now given how bad the Amarr Scout is looking on paper ATM. I'm really not motivated for personal gain here, and I'm all for people living with the consequences of their choices, but we're finally going to have racial symmetry in the suits, and that is a major deal.
You are welcome to look at my posting history regarding respecs. I've been saying one last respec once we get racial symmetry since summer. This would be good for the game. This should be the last one ever.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Public Disorder.
4747
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:27:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I feel reasonably confident we'll get a respec of at least the suits and suit upgrades. I'm marginally confident that we'll see weapon respecs as well. I tend to be a strict "no respec" guy, but I think this final one is necessary to get a healthy distribution across the races for suits like the heavies and scouts. This will be important due to the increasing importance of racial weapon/suit synergy and racial resistance tanking being more relevant. Liar, I bet you're one of the assault logis trying to get back some of that FOTM SP you spent.
Ha. I'm a slayer Logi and guess where I'm putting my SP if/when there is a respec? Minmatar Logi, the support one.
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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castba
Penguin's March
322
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:00:00 -
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The last time there were racial suits added there was a respec. Why shouldn't there be this time? Especially with the considerable changes to existing suits. |
Berserker007
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
389
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:20:00 -
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my .02 would be that a respect would be required. If take into light, CCP's actions of 1.7 that dealt with a complete vehicle respect; in 1.8 a complete INFANTRY respect would be required.
Reason for such are:
1). Suit base and racial specific bonuses have been changed. This can lead to both unwanted suit, weapon & module skilling
2). Addition of new weapons change gameplay, along w/ more suits thus altering playstyles (in my opinion, whenever new weapons were released there should of been complete weapon respecs)
3). Addition of new suits """"
4). Changes to how damage mods work (??), and possible passive skill bonuses
5). Possible changes to suit setup? (someone said scouts will lose their sidearm, but in the chart it shows scouts w/ a sidearm, so idk on it)
6). Your playstyle will no longer tailor to the suit/setup you currently run post changes (ex: run mini assault for bonus speed and sidearm bonues b/c u are AVer; well, pending on how damage mods change, you may want a differ suit to benefit from aside from an AV role, etc). As people play how they play, you shouldn't be forced to change your playstyle based on what your in game skilling and suits offer (this differs, from having to change playstyle based on ingame events)
Now, I haven't really touched Dust since 1.5/1.6 b/c of how disappointed I'd become with the game. Granted, atm I think im ruoghtly at 25-28M SP (or something like that). Now I know loads of people are probably in the 30-40M SP range, but many may be below my SP amount. The one thing a respect will said is the lower SP people, b/c it lets them learn from mistakes of SP spending; which will allow them to enjoy the game more; thusly keep a playerbase. Those w/ massive SP amount, it's more of a caveat. It lets you change things no longer need etc; and reallocate Sp that is now worthless (like myself, have prof 5 flaylocks; as I did it day came out w/o knowing how OP it was gana be, but now it's useless).
So overall, a INFANTRY respect would benefit all SP levels of infantry players. Again, just a disgruntled dust vets .02 |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3046
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:09:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I prefer a respec of some sort, but I can live without. What is killing is not knowing if there will be one or not so I know what to do with my SP. If I knew for sure that we will be having a respec, I can spend my SP know on things I always wanted to try knowing I will get my SP back if I dont like it. But not knowing is keeping me from doing that. A simple yes or no would be nice.
If 1.8 sees no dropsuit respec, it will also see no Chunky Munkey.
No.
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Ryme Intrinseca
574
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:42:00 -
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As I've said before, making players live by their decisions is one thing, making them live by CCP's decisions to change everything about how suits work, quite another.
Certainly dropsuit skills need to be refunded, and weapons and upgrades as well given that CCP are totally changing how any given suit-weapon-equipment combination will work. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
252
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:00:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I prefer a respec of some sort, but I can live without. What is killing is not knowing if there will be one or not so I know what to do with my SP. If I knew for sure that we will be having a respec, I can spend my SP know on things I always wanted to try knowing I will get my SP back if I dont like it. But not knowing is keeping me from doing that. A simple yes or no would be nice.
Same boat. I'm just acting as if there is no respec in sight and I've saved like 3.3 mil at this point? I figure with the event I can break 4 mil easy before the respec does or doesn't come and I will still feel like I got a small respec haha |
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