DUST Search - Heavies should probably brace for a nerf

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:

im a heavy and i ******* hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry

NO

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT
Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons.
The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?!

The real issue is the rail rifle being OP, so when you encounter a heavy with a rail rifle that appears to be OP, its not the heavy part that's OP. The CR might also be OP, but I'm not really sure.

Also, Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it".

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Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 291	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:17:00 - [1] - Quote Why,you may ask. Assaults is my response. Because of assaults constant nagging of CCP about 'slayer logis' ALL logis are getting nerfed. And now the new assault nag subject is "heavies with light weapons out killing them". So unless you want to get nerfed so you should start fighting back. I personally don't want Assault514...but that looks like the direction we're headed in. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 173	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:21:00 - [2] - Quote im a heavy and i ******* hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry
Jane Madson Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 341	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:28:00 - [3] - Quote I'm an hmg weilding cqc murdering heavy. If you need a light weapon to be an effective heavy, your doing it wrong. Get your big butt into a tight area and bask in the glow as your hmg destroys everything in its path. If that does'nt suit your play style, yet want to still be to slow to let your light weapon perform at its peak capibilities, go commando Join OUKH, Fight for the State
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8819	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:34:00 - [4] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im a heavy and i ***** hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry NO Copy/paste KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! The real issue is the rail rifle being OP, so when you encounter a heavy with a rail rifle that appears to be OP, its not the heavy part that's OP. The CR might also be OP, but I'm not really sure. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt** Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6632	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:35:00 - [5] - Quote Meee One wrote: Why,you may ask. Assaults is my response. Because of assaults constant nagging of CCP about 'slayer logis' ALL logis are getting nerfed. And now the new assault nag subject is "heavies with light weapons out killing them". So unless you want to get nerfed so you should start fighting back. I personally don't want Assault514...but that looks like the direction we're headed in. Why? Logi's don't need more slots that assaults to play their intended role? All you need a skills that boost your equipment use. You are not combat units. In fact the logi suit could loose its grenade slot. Logisitcs don't need them at all. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Regnier Feros Immortal Guides 26	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:36:00 - [6] - Quote Step 1:restrict sentinels to heavy weapons in h slot Step 2:??? Step 3:profit Minmatar Women Do It Better
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1540	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:43:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: The real issue is the rail rifle being OP, so when you encounter a heavy with a rail rifle that appears to be OP, its not the heavy part that's OP. The CR might also be OP, but I'm not really sure. While that's true of the game now, it'll be different when Sentinels get 10-15% more EHP because of the resistances. It will very much likely become a problem. IMO, the fix would be: Basic Heavy Frame = Heavy or light weapon, your pick Sentinel = Heavy weapon only Commando = Light weapon only The suits would all remain relatively balanced in that case and each have a defined use and limitation, without the Sentinel becoming the new Scrub FOTM. ED: I will say, I hope it doesn't turn out that way, and we can all live with the few light weapon sentinels getting their kicks without becoming FOTM (likely because former slayerlogis yelling "OMG SO SLO"). But I'm worried man, I'm worried. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8819	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:46:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Meee One wrote: Why,you may ask. Assaults is my response. Because of assaults constant nagging of CCP about 'slayer logis' ALL logis are getting nerfed. And now the new assault nag subject is "heavies with light weapons out killing them". So unless you want to get nerfed so you should start fighting back. I personally don't want Assault514...but that looks like the direction we're headed in. Why? Logi's don't need more slots that assaults to play their intended role? All you need a skills that boost your equipment use. You are not combat units. In fact the logi suit could loose its grenade slot. Logisitcs don't need them at all. I would argue that all roles need to be competent at combat, seeing as we are all on a battlefield. Its just that assaults need to be better at assaulting since it is their role. I have no problems with logis trying to fill the slayer role (Dust is about customization), as long as assaults fill that role better, just like I have no problem with assaults playing support as long as logis do it better. I would think its a good idea for the logis to lose grenade slots though; I proposed that before in a thread about specialization/basic frame differentiations. Bonuses should enforce roles, but fittings should provide freedom. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8819	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:51:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: The real issue is the rail rifle being OP, so when you encounter a heavy with a rail rifle that appears to be OP, its not the heavy part that's OP. The CR might also be OP, but I'm not really sure. While that's true of the game now, it'll be different when Sentinels get 10-15% more EHP because of the resistances. It will very much likely become a problem. IMO, the fix would be: Basic Heavy Frame = Heavy or light weapon, your pick Sentinel = Heavy weapon only Commando = Light weapon only The suits would all remain relatively balanced in that case and each have a defined use and limitation, without the Sentinel becoming the new Scrub FOTM. ED: I will say, I hope it doesn't turn out that way, and we can all live with the few light weapon sentinels getting their kicks without becoming FOTM (likely because former slayerlogis yelling "OMG SO SLO"). But I'm worried man, I'm worried. I would much rather heavies get a stat nerf if it needed than some arbitrary restrictions to how slots work that only apply to one suit; I like consistency. Like I said before, light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 184	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:01:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im a heavy and i ***** hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry NO Copy/paste KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:** People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! The real issue is the rail rifle being OP, so when you encounter a heavy with a rail rifle that appears to be OP, its not the heavy part that's OP. The CR might also be OP, but I'm not really sure. Also, Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it". im not saying that heavies not being able to carry light weapons would make sense, but it is how it should be for balance. i am completely heavy and i believe heavies should not have light weapons, or at least not be as effective with them

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1540	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:04:00 - [11] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im not saying that heavies not being able to carry light weapons would make sense There's a totally legitimate, in-game reason for them to not be able to: their fingers are too fat to fit. I kid, Kagehoshi, I kid... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10589	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:05:00 - [12] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im a heavy and i ******* hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry Give me my respec and you can do whatever silly nonsense you want with them Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 291	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:10:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Meee One wrote: Why,you may ask. Assaults is my response. Because of assaults constant nagging of CCP about 'slayer logis' ALL logis are getting nerfed. And now the new assault nag subject is "heavies with light weapons out killing them". So unless you want to get nerfed so you should start fighting back. I personally don't want Assault514...but that looks like the direction we're headed in. Why? Logi's don't need more slots that assaults to play their intended role? All you need a skills that boost your equipment use. You are not combat units. In fact the logi suit could loose its grenade slot. Logisitcs don't need them at all. Perfect example of a logi slayer nag right there. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1379	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:18:00 - [14] - Quote Nerf all the rifles, then give the assaults racial bonuses to counter the nerf, everybody gets what they want. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6636	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:26:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: True Adamance wrote: Meee One wrote: Why,you may ask. Assaults is my response. Because of assaults constant nagging of CCP about 'slayer logis' ALL logis are getting nerfed. And now the new assault nag subject is "heavies with light weapons out killing them". So unless you want to get nerfed so you should start fighting back. I personally don't want Assault514...but that looks like the direction we're headed in. Why? Logi's don't need more slots that assaults to play their intended role? All you need a skills that boost your equipment use. You are not combat units. In fact the logi suit could loose its grenade slot. Logisitcs don't need them at all. Perfect example of a logi slayer nag right there. I can run all Amarrian suits. I don't need half of my slots, I don't need more HP than an assault to play a non combative support role, I don't need higher CPU and PG fitting to fight all proto modules when my buddy an assault can barely fit himself a proto weapon or modules...... your ignorance is showing. Basically you need to HTFU, not rely on an HP crutch and play your role like it was designed to be played. Supplementary to other roles. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1834	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:27:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Meee One wrote: Why,you may ask. Assaults is my response. Because of assaults constant nagging of CCP about 'slayer logis' ALL logis are getting nerfed. And now the new assault nag subject is "heavies with light weapons out killing them". So unless you want to get nerfed so you should start fighting back. I personally don't want Assault514...but that looks like the direction we're headed in. Why? Logi's don't need more slots that assaults to play their intended role? All you need a skills that boost your equipment use. You are not combat units. In fact the logi suit could loose its grenade slot. Logisitcs don't need them at all. Hey shush even though most logis don't use them I put AV or Flux grenades to complement my support role. New born sAMARRi
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 79	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:29:00 - [17] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im a heavy and i ******* hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry a decrease in efficiency could be nice but you have those ppl who only use armarr equipment like a heavy and LR it wouldnt be fair to nerf them yes i scream KA-ME-HA-MEHAAAAAA when i forge muthafuckas the Turtle Hermit: Professional Heavy
Azura Sakura Blood Eye Ravens 589	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:29:00 - [18] - Quote If a heavy with a light weapon beats a assault suit. I wonder who is the worse player.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 3031	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:30:00 - [19] - Quote Slayer Logis =/= Rep Tool Logis So yeah no, point invalid, especially with the minmatar LOGI Bonus. Those heavies are going to be a good distance away from their bud who is well behind cover. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1834	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:32:00 - [20] - Quote Come on that's not fair I've gotten heavies down to 100-200 before their RR shoots me in my toe and I die. New born sAMARRi

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 854	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:34:00 - [21] - Quote Heavies aren't going anywhere. In fact, more are on the way next month. Brace yourselves. This winter will be a bloody one.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.02.05 15:49:00 - [22] - Quote You guys are so full of it. CCP WANTS us to mix and match. Just look at the heavy fitting screen. 'Heavy slot is for heavy,light,sidearm'. Sometimes I like to run my heavvy with 2 toxic smg's. :) Most people only did this cause heavies were dead. Adapt or gtfo.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 106	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:07:00 - [23] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: im a heavy and i ***** hate heavies who run light weapons... please just remove the ability ccp or make heavies less efficient with light weaponry NO Copy/paste KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:** People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! The real issue is the rail rifle being OP, so when you encounter a heavy with a rail rifle that appears to be OP, its not the heavy part that's OP. The CR might also be OP, but I'm not really sure. Also, Dust is largely about customizing your fit and creating your own role within the parameters of your suit (CCP often uses the example of a heavy sniper). Removing the ability to equip light weapons on heavies would ruin that, and not make sense anyway "oh no, this weapon is too light, I can't carry it". This guy speaks the truth +1 look at one of the videos showing dust's open customization, heavy with a sniper.
KIRSTY j The Walking Targets 48	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:15:00 - [24] - Quote scouts can carry shotguns, they should be sidearm only.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1919	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:32:00 - [25] - Quote Assaults have always been the d-bags in this game. They think the entire shooter experience should revolve around them, and that they should be the best, because they aren't willing to let go of the fantasy that they are the best players to ever grace this game. Time and time again, the assaults have caused the nerf of one thing or another. Its ******* annoying. Chromosome Laser Rifle: Assault Players using ARs complaining about having a counter to their win stick. Even though Laser Rifles have always been one of the most skill intensive weapon in the game, since their release. Scouts: Assault players complaining about being unskilled enough to kill someone in close quarters. Even though Shotgun Scouts should by all rights be THE best CQC role in the game! Heavies: Assault players complaining about their rifles being outperformed by HMGs in close quarters. HAVs: My AR can't kill this tank! Nerf the tank! I don't want to spec into AV! Uprising Logis: Assault Players complaining about having less HP than Logis, even though they themselves are faster, stronger and cheaper than Logis. Look at where we are now, logis are likely slated to be slower, weaker, less durable, and more expensive than assaults, along with them getting a nerf to their equipment as well... Every single time its the 'slayers' complaining about something being better than them at anything. They won't stop complaining until Assault suits are the best suit in the game at everything. Every class and almost every weapon in the entire game has gotten a nerf at one point or another, except for Assault Suits and Assault Rifles. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 182	Posted - 2014.02.05 16:47:00 - [26] - Quote reduce magazine sizes and/or fire rate for weapons that are not in their appropriate slots.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 844	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:17:00 - [27] - Quote Real solution: nerf all rifles
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8855	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:23:00 - [28] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: reduce magazine sizes and/or fire rate for weapons that are not in their appropriate slots. What, so if I fit an SMG in my light weapon slot, It should get a magazine size and fire rate reduction? I say hell no Nerf heavy stats if needed, and balance OP light weapons if needed (rail rifle), but making up silly arbitrary rules is not the solution. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 572	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:28:00 - [29] - Quote The simple fix to this is just to improve weapon damage bonuses on Assault (and Scout) suits. It would indirectly nerf Logi and Heavy weapons use, since the damage would drop off while using Light weapons and sidearms. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Emperor1349 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 16	Posted - 2014.02.05 17:32:00 - [30] - Quote What people still use assault suits? I thought it was all logi suits now? Don't be scared of assault suits they are few and far between. R.I.P Mag - SVER



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