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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:57:00 -
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How do we develope more conscious blueberries? How do we create a known standard throughout the dust community to where we're not cussing the day that random blueberry was born?
How do we get the assault blueberry to know what needs to be done even if he's not in squad? The sniper NEWberry to realize there are 5 snipers on our team already?! How do we get them to cover our movements when we move forward, stop picking us up in front of tanks, and stop driving off with empty lav's?
To fix these common issues, we must do more than complain about them. I propose we start addressing them here. I know some negative nancy is going to say "just deal with it" because he's an idiot without a brain, but I want the smart guys here to give me their ideas in this post.
Also in practice, realize that the things you do to help bluberries in battle may cause him to join your cause. We can only call in so many lav's so wait to fill it with squadmates and/or blues as it is more benficial to have 3 guys on a point than 1 and a blown up lav?! If you see a heavy pic him up in your lav before he gets sniped, and heavies get yourself a ride bro!
Dropships! Fill the damn bay man! Assault! Get out of the man's dropship!!! One of the main reasons vehicles rarely rock CRU's is abuse of their vehicle?! Spawn on the dropship, wait for 2 more guys, then jump! If you see guys jumping hit circle!
If a vehicle has a CRU in it, use it to spawn! Not hide! Tanks sometimes have them, so I spawn and get out immediately! Using the tank for support so someone else can spawn behind me. Not so i can rack up free points like a scrub?!
The key here is TACTICS.... not opportunity?!
So i'm open to suggestions, stories of the experienced, and ideas!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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The Attorney General
1930
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:59:00 -
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Turn on friendly fire in pubs, execute dummies.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Chris F2112
Pradox One Proficiency V.
550
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:01:00 -
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You can't do it. There are always going to be some people who are either incredibly stupid, new to the game, or just want to mess with you. Corporations exist so you don't have to play with those people. |
Galthur
Fatal Absolution Public Disorder.
307
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:02:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Turn on friendly fire in pubs, execute order 66. Fixed
Get recruits for me, receive millions of ISK. Buying BPO Codes.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
91
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:03:00 -
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Though satisfying, it doesn't fix the problem?! I honestly think CCP should revamp the team chat to where squad is automatic, and team chat is push to talk. This would enable us to let them know we're hitting bravo, or they're about to be hit at charlie.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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CaoticFox
Axis of Chaos
139
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:04:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:How do we develope more conscious blueberries? How do we create a known standard throughout the dust community to where we're not cussing the day that random blueberry was born?
How do we get the assault blueberry to know what needs to be done even if he's not in squad? The sniper NEWberry to realize there are 5 snipers on our team already?! How do we get them to cover our movements when we move forward, stop picking us up in front of tanks, and stop driving off with empty lav's?
To fix these common issues, we must do more than complain about them. I propose we start addressing them here. I know some negative nancy is going to say "just deal with it" because he's an idiot without a brain, but I want the smart guys here to give me their ideas in this post.
Also in practice, realize that the things you do to help bluberries in battle may cause him to join your cause. We can only call in so many lav's so wait to fill it with squadmates and/or blues as it is more benificial to have 3 guys on a point than 1 and a blown up lav?! If you see a heavy pic him up in your lav before he gets sniped, and heavies get yourself a ride bro!
Dropships! Fill the damn bay man! Assault! Get out of the man's dropship!!! One of the main reasons vehicles rarely rock CRU's is abuse of their vehicle?! Spawn on the dropship, wait for 2 more guys, then jump! If you see guys jumping hit circle!
If a vehicle has a CRU in it, use it to spawn! Not hide! Tanks sometimes have them, so I spawn and get out immediately! Using the tank for support so someone else can spawn behind me. Not so i can rack up free points like a scrub?!
The key here is TACTICS.... not opportunity?!
So i'm open to suggestions, stories of the experienced, and ideas! A STD/MLT game mode... ACADEMY is worthless |
Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
91
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:05:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote:You can't do it. There are always going to be some people who are either incredibly stupid, new to the game, or just want to mess with you. Corporations exist so you don't have to play with those people.
True, but I would still like to minimize this to just random occurances of one to two blues, not whole squads of blunderers?!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Public Disorder.
4362
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:06:00 -
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You can train noobs but you can't fix stupid.
and 80% of blues are dumb as fawkes |
Blaze Ashra
DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance
172
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:07:00 -
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I hear they are looking for an AI programmer. Hopefully they will get blueberry AI fixed sometime soon.
Life stops when you stop dreaming, hope ends when you stop believing, love ends when you stop caring.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
91
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:07:00 -
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CaoticFox wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:How do we develope more conscious blueberries? How do we create a known standard throughout the dust community to where we're not cussing the day that random blueberry was born?
How do we get the assault blueberry to know what needs to be done even if he's not in squad? The sniper NEWberry to realize there are 5 snipers on our team already?! How do we get them to cover our movements when we move forward, stop picking us up in front of tanks, and stop driving off with empty lav's?
To fix these common issues, we must do more than complain about them. I propose we start addressing them here. I know some negative nancy is going to say "just deal with it" because he's an idiot without a brain, but I want the smart guys here to give me their ideas in this post.
Also in practice, realize that the things you do to help bluberries in battle may cause him to join your cause. We can only call in so many lav's so wait to fill it with squadmates and/or blues as it is more benificial to have 3 guys on a point than 1 and a blown up lav?! If you see a heavy pic him up in your lav before he gets sniped, and heavies get yourself a ride bro!
Dropships! Fill the damn bay man! Assault! Get out of the man's dropship!!! One of the main reasons vehicles rarely rock CRU's is abuse of their vehicle?! Spawn on the dropship, wait for 2 more guys, then jump! If you see guys jumping hit circle!
If a vehicle has a CRU in it, use it to spawn! Not hide! Tanks sometimes have them, so I spawn and get out immediately! Using the tank for support so someone else can spawn behind me. Not so i can rack up free points like a scrub?!
The key here is TACTICS.... not opportunity?!
So i'm open to suggestions, stories of the experienced, and ideas! A STD/MLT game mode... ACADEMY is worthless
True, a better academy emphasizing on squad support and tactics tutorials would help. CCP does need to revamp the academy bexause it is indeed, worthless.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
91
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:13:00 -
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I know it may seem a bit redundant, but maybe AI warning alerts that let new players know an area is being overrun? Obviously the point is blinking, but to a newb that just means what? If there were flash warning that read "team members at delta are outnumbered" maybe a novice would think to reinforce that area? Wishful thinking i know?!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Justice Prevails
171
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:16:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Though satisfying, it doesn't fix the problem?! I honestly think CCP should revamp the team chat to where squad is automatic, and team chat is push to talk. This would enable us to let them know we're hitting bravo, or they're about to be hit at charlie.
As a lonewolf(blueberry), comms would better if there was a way for squad leaders to communicate with the team or even other squads, not just their own guys. Even if we dont want to squad up, i would like to think most of us want to win. I try to avoid the squads because theres no point in everybody hitting C when B is unguarded. But sometimes we all end up at the same objective.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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CaoticFox
Axis of Chaos
140
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:18:00 -
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"True, a better academy emphasizing on squad support and tactics tutorials would help. CCP does need to revamp the academy bexause it is indeed, worthless." destroy the ACADEMY insert a TRAINING mode [MLT/STD] for everyone ... where vets can TRAIN n00bs at a miniscule ISK impact / skill advantage ... we NEED this... the game NEEDS this... ... not [FRONTLINE] with Duvolles ... only MLT/STD EQUIP, MODULES, & WEAPONS (HMGs, Flaylocks, SRs, CRs, & RRs dont have a MLT)... and FULL MLT ON VEHICLES. CCP... u will STEAL CoDers, BFers, & KZers with this... YOU (CCP) NEED THIS!!! |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
104
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:22:00 -
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How to fix the blue berry problem...
Hm...
I know, have another server to place them all with ContraBanJoe and all of FWA. CBJ can be papa smurf in all his blueness and he can help all the other smurfs reproduce and smurf around. They can smurf each other all day and night and smurf **** up. If one of the smurfs actually shows the ability to learn, they can become a booger like the rest of us. Until then, smurf with each other in your Java the Hutt palace with papa smurf CBJ.
or we send Activision a letter saying:
"Dear Activision, considering how you already have enough dumb***** who lack the ability to learn, can we send you our blue berries who lack basic motor functions? In exchange, we get to keep the ones who can actually learn. - love CCP's little orphan bastards <3 xoxo"
Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. C C P corp is full of scrubs, CCPapplication to FWA REJECTED! :P
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Onesimus Tarsus
1057
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:30:00 -
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It can't be fixed. It's a predicament, not a problem. Run, shoot, live, die, quit, make a sandwich, walk the dog.
Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
12
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:35:00 -
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I donGÇÖt wait for other teammates to get into my vehicles for two reasons: I often only want to use it for transport, not engagements, and I donGÇÖt like having to replace vehicles stolen by my GÇ£teammatesGÇ¥ that have other ideas. I'd change my tune if there was a "GTFO of my ride" feature, of if my teammates couldn't pilot my vehicle until I died or something.
As far as new players having the wherewithal to notice there are already X snipers on their team, I donGÇÖt think this realistic. First, you canGÇÖt tell whoGÇÖs doing what right awayGÇöyouGÇÖd have to wait a minute to see what everyone had fitted and where everyone went, etc. Additionally, the new guys are the ones that need the practice, so it seems like the community-conscious vet would want to step down as a sniper for the match and do something else.
I donGÇÖt like to squad up because I WANT TO ACTUALLY PLAY. Too often IGÇÖve found that squad play is slow paced and the leader cherry picks matches. Maybe if you have a group of regulars or are in the same corp, but if you arenGÇÖt, rando-squading is just awful.
Have you seen my baseball?
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Regnier Feros
Immortal Guides
24
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:00:00 -
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if only we can make a training course
Minmatar Women Do It Better
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
596
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:03:00 -
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communication radial. kinda like squad orders but general things like need ammo, need resuppl,y need revive, I'm attacking this point, I'm defending this area, follow me, pick me up here, drop me off there. when in a vehicle get in, get out.
Assault dropship gets blown up....
(Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"...
..."I'm back"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
93
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:04:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:I donGÇÖt wait for other teammates to get into my vehicles for two reasons: I often only want to use it for transport, not engagements, and I donGÇÖt like having to replace vehicles stolen by my GÇ£teammatesGÇ¥ that have other ideas. I'd change my tune if there was a "GTFO of my ride" feature, of if my teammates couldn't pilot my vehicle until I died or something.
As far as new players having the wherewithal to notice there are already X snipers on their team, I donGÇÖt think this realistic. First, you canGÇÖt tell whoGÇÖs doing what right awayGÇöyouGÇÖd have to wait a minute to see what everyone had fitted and where everyone went, etc. Additionally, the new guys are the ones that need the practice, so it seems like the community-conscious vet would want to step down as a sniper for the match and do something else.
I donGÇÖt like to squad up because I WANT TO ACTUALLY PLAY. Too often IGÇÖve found that squad play is slow paced and the leader cherry picks matches. Maybe if you have a group of regulars or are in the same corp, but if you arenGÇÖt, rando-squading is just awful.
You are right about the ride thieves! CCP refuse to introduce the "ejecto seato" button so I can not blame a pilot for not wanting to have riders. There should also be the ability to communicate to the blues to "JUMP"! When a pilot gets to a good destination, who ever is aboard gets the strike order! Who ever stays gets "ejecto seato" next to the lav full of heavies
Your idea about the dropship only being comondierable after the pilot dies is also good. We all have complained about the mechanics of vehicle transportation?! CCP seems to cater to whiners more than logical strategist. They gave us the 5-15 sec wait which is just a different type of crutch from our previous predicament?! Just give us doors to open if we want randoms in the vehicles, or a setting check box. They claim pro choice with dropsuits, but not so much on the ability to choose who can stay in the vehicle and when?!
If running solo I will squad up for that match, then after the match if it takes longer than 2 mins to start I leave. That way I keep it moving, but am also assisting a squad in battle. Side note to that is if you have squad members who constantly have to restock after every battle? May I suggest a pow wow on financial and time management ::)
All valid points though bro thank you ::)
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
93
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:07:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:communication radial. kinda like squad orders but general things like need ammo, need resuppl,y need revive, I'm attacking this point, I'm defending this area, follow me, pick me up here, drop me off there. when in a vehicle get in, get out.
SPOT ON!!! That could work! CCP, are you getting this?
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Assault Chileanme
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
44
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:25:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Adelia Lafayette wrote:communication radial. kinda like squad orders but general things like need ammo, need resuppl,y need revive, I'm attacking this point, I'm defending this area, follow me, pick me up here, drop me off there. when in a vehicle get in, get out. SPOT ON!!! That could work! CCP, are you getting this? I think that would go a long way to helping.
Eventually I think having some sort of PVE skirmish where some vets could get in and basically run easy mode games so that they can explain to new players how it all works would greatly help the current situation.
The generally negative attitude that has been displayed is rather off putting though. Odds are that most of the blueberries that everyone keeps saying are just idiots are probably in fact just uninformed. There is a lot of complexity to the game that is very poorly explained. To say that such a large portion of the player base is useless and can't ever contribute has to come from some sort of Napoleonic complex to make oneself feel more important. |
2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:31:00 -
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"Welcome to New Eden" context needs to be changed, and this falls on all of us. We have this great open area that is undefined by CCP, and it is up to us to change how new, & stupid, players are treated.
Reach out to those in need!
The culture change needs to begin with reaching out and training those in need. There are resources availbe on how to best play your role and we should point players to those resources. It wasn't till my 3rd week of being stomped before i found the forums and the training ground section therein. That is were i learned when it's appropriate to revive a fallen team member. (immediately felt bad for each time a hit someone with jesus sticks in the middle of a firefight). The academy teaches you how to hold your AR. Thats it. Nowhere does it teach you about squading, productive team roles, appropriate use of gear or what the expectation of other team members. It is the task of each player to train others, and there is real beauty in that, but that is so much harder than just bitching about it.
Reach out, train, teach, help. Damn, send a polite mail every now & again. This is how you combat the "damn blueeberry" issue.
I have the horrible feeling that it will be the players who destroy this game. |
Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
97
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:35:00 -
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Assault Chileanme wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Adelia Lafayette wrote:communication radial. kinda like squad orders but general things like need ammo, need resuppl,y need revive, I'm attacking this point, I'm defending this area, follow me, pick me up here, drop me off there. when in a vehicle get in, get out. SPOT ON!!! That could work! CCP, are you getting this? I think that would go a long way to helping. Eventually I think having some sort of PVE skirmish where some vets could get in and basically run easy mode games so that they can explain to new players how it all works would greatly help the current situation. The generally negative attitude that has been displayed is rather off putting though. Odds are that most of the blueberries that everyone keeps saying are just idiots are probably in fact just uninformed. There is a lot of complexity to the game that is very poorly explained. To say that such a large portion of the player base is useless and can't ever contribute has to come from some sort of Napoleonic complex to make oneself feel more important.
Exactly!!! The "stupid blueberry' is probably just the "bluebery who started a week ago?!" Not having a way to comm up with the other squads can cause confusion, terrible assumptions, and massive misunderstandings?! Your squad is wondering why we won't push bravo when we got charlie, and we're wondering why no one has a forge gun for the blaster tank pinning us down at charlie lol?!
This idea could work wonders for clearing up a whole host of rivalries as well lol!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Spectre-M
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
255
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:38:00 -
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Vehicle locks are also needed. 15 second wait to bring blues with me in an lav to an objective is absurd. Options similar to squad finder would help ( squad only, alliance only, or all).
Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist
Minnmatar in Amarr Armor
I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
98
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:40:00 -
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2Berries wrote:"Welcome to New Eden" context needs to be changed, and this falls on all of us. We have this great open area that is undefined by CCP, and it is up to us to change how new, & stupid, players are treated.
Reach out to those in need!
The culture change needs to begin with reaching out and training those in need. There are resources availbe on how to best play your role and we should point players to those resources. It wasn't till my 3rd week of being stomped before i found the forums and the training ground section therein. That is were i learned when it's appropriate to revive a fallen team member. (immediately felt bad for each time a hit someone with jesus sticks in the middle of a firefight). The academy teaches you how to hold your AR. Thats it. Nowhere does it teach you about squading, productive team roles, appropriate use of gear or what the expectation of other team members. It is the task of each player to train others, and there is real beauty in that, but that is so much harder than just bitching about it.
Reach out, train, teach, help. Damn, send a polite mail every now & again. This is how you combat the "damn blueeberry" issue.
I have the horrible feeling that it will be the players who destroy this game.
This is very true! Send a "gg" (good game) every now and again. Stop being a tool just because you got 21 kills?! Invite players to chats and squad, and stop sending hate mail. You might learn something ::)
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
98
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:42:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:Vehicle locks are also needed. 15 second wait to bring blues with me in an lav to an objective is absurd. Options similar to squad finder would help ( squad only, alliance only, or all).
Exactly!!!! CCP, here's another great idea!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Scott Knight
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:48:00 -
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Quote:How do we develope more conscious blueberries?
How do we get the assault blueberry to know what needs to be done even if he's not in squad? ]
This would require everyone to have a mic and the ability for everyone on a team to communicate with each other. At the very least it would require battle plans prior to the match, however since team assignment is random, giving away battle plans would eventually come back to hurt you. There really isn't a good way to get people not on your squad to follow a plan, unless you have some manor of communicating during a match.
Quote:The sniper NEWberry to realize there are 5 snipers on our team already?! How do we get them to cover our movements when we move forward, stop picking us up in front of tanks, and stop driving off with empty lav's?
How exactly would a Newberry know that there are already five snipers? It's not like the game gives you a notice about that. With LAV's I'd much rather have a blue steal my LAV then a red. But the game should allow you to lock your LAV. That way if you die, someone on your team can steal it, but if you were to run to the objective, it would be safe for your return.
I had the issue where this guy wouldn't get out of my LAV to hack the objective, so when I hopped out leaving him to man the gun (which was pretty awesome if he would have covered me). Instead, he just hops in my LAV and runs off.
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Scott Knight
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:52:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:communication radial. kinda like squad orders but general things like need ammo, need resuppl,y need revive, I'm attacking this point, I'm defending this area, follow me, pick me up here, drop me off there. when in a vehicle get in, get out.
I think the only problem here is with 16+ people playing and the risk of checking the map to see where people are, this isn't a realistic idea. Basically communication during the game between anything more than a small group of people will likely not work out well. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2160
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:52:00 -
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In MAg we had a decent way of redline snipers. We usually ran up to them and used the knife to skull education untill they stopped sitting with snipers in the redline.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
46
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:10:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:CaoticFox wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:How do we develope more conscious blueberries? So i'm open to suggestions, stories of the experienced, and ideas! A STD/MLT game mode... ACADEMY is worthless True, a better academy emphasizing on squad support and tactics tutorials would help. CCP does need to revamp the academy bexause it is indeed, worthless.
Basic Academy = Current. How to play a character in Dust. Graduates to: Advanced Academy = New. How to play with a team/squad in Dust. Graduates to (pub-stomping) Public Contests. |
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