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Savage Mangler Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 43	Posted - 2014.02.01 21:59:00 - [1] - Quote Discuss. I know it's asking too much, but keep it civil please. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 238	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:01:00 - [2] - Quote DS occupants should be killed just like every other vehicle. LAV and tank occupants don't get grace time. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 236	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:04:00 - [3] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: DS occupants should be killed just like every other vehicle. LAV and tank occupants don't get grace time. Agreed, plus I want a big explosion where they blow up, in the air.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 327	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:04:00 - [4] - Quote When i get shot down i usually stay in to see what killed me "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 778	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote They shouldn't unless they got a eject module that lets them eject when crashing. *Assassination is my thing.*
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 778	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:06:00 - [6] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: When i get shot down i usually stay in to see what killed me Wow, amazing idea.... fascinating... *Assassination is my thing.*
Evan Gotabor Prima Gallicus 9	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:07:00 - [7] - Quote Even if people are able to leave a dropship in flame, there is a high probability for them to die because they are killed by the falling dropship. Gallente logistic dropsuit / Dropship pilot
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 43	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:09:00 - [8] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: DS occupants should be killed just like every other vehicle. LAV and tank occupants don't get grace time. Agreed as well. If I pop a 5 man DS, I want that juicy 325 WP payout. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 43	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:11:00 - [9] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: They shouldn't unless they got a eject module that lets them eject when crashing. I like this. Make it an option for all vehicles. I want to see heavies get ejected bond-style out of LAV's. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 327	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:12:00 - [10] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: darkiller240 wrote: When i get shot down i usually stay in to see what killed me Wow, amazing idea.... fascinating... its a militia suit i dont care "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 853	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:22:00 - [11] - Quote pilots should be able to jump out of thier drop ship. they are very weak and vulnerable to rail turrets since they are in open air the gallente ship has its cockpit in the front so that is easy to open and jump out of while the caldari have theirs entering from within so they can just open the door and make a quick jump out the side its not fair that ccp make you spawn onder the ds when you exit it at certain speeds (this is how they nerf the suicide dropships, called "predator missiles") Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2941	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:23:00 - [12] - Quote I always ride my wreck down. I can get to my vehicle call-in uplink a lot faster if I don't have to hoof it back to base. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
CRYPT3C W0LF MK.V 316	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:31:00 - [13] - Quote Fix the rails auto killing DS and I'll be fine with going down with the ship Ahhhh.... CPM? Nononono
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 342	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:41:00 - [14] - Quote Forcing pilots to remain would be perfectly fine, but Dropships have the most open troop transport areas of any vehicles currently in the game: passengers should be able to bail at a moment's notice.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4298	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:45:00 - [15] - Quote No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 853	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:47:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? there are many scenario's where they should Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 853	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:48:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? you dont see american soldiers staying in a plane thats going down do you? everyone has a right to bail out of a plane and so should DS pilots and whoever they are carring Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10497	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:50:00 - [18] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Forcing pilots to remain would be perfectly fine, but Dropships have the most open troop transport areas of any vehicles currently in the game: passengers should be able to bail at a moment's notice. I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as redline railguns weren't a thing. At least when forge gunners take me out it was because of good teamwork, good skill, or both. I wish swarms were more of a threat too, though not too much extra damage at proto, just being faster would help tremendously. But yea, if we could solve the redline, and make railguns balanced while still being good against dropships (slightly more elevation for large railgun turrets), I'd be totally down for that. Making the ship instantly explode should only happen if it takes a certain % of damage past its total. You could also shoot the ship again as it's falling to make it explode. Giving passengers a chance to bail is important. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4284	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:51:00 - [19] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Discuss. I know it's asking too much, but keep it civil please. NO. If they get your DS down, the AV 'er DESERVES the kill. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4284	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:52:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as redline railguns weren't a thing. ''I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as i dont have Any Counters except heavies'' This is what i read. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4298	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:55:00 - [21] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? you dont see american soldiers staying in a plane thats going down do you? everyone has a right to bail out of a plane and so should DS pilots and whoever they are carring Don't bring up real life. Unless of course, you are planning on giving me a weapon that can 1HK every vehicle in this game. No? Didn't think so. I don't have the right to bail out of my HAV or LAV when it dies, so why should Dropship pilots? What gives Dropship pilots the right to deny AV the points that they earned? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 403	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:55:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? They're losing the Dropship. How is that not defined as being punished? Pilots of all sorts should always have an option to bail. Saga v. Methana Balance
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 767	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:55:00 - [23] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: When i get shot down i usually stay in to see what killed me Rail Tank Rail Tank Rail Tank Rail Tank Rail Tank Forge Gun Rail Tank Tail Rank Rail Tank
Toby Flenderson research lab 230	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:55:00 - [24] - Quote Probably has been suggested but how about on top of the damage needed to send a DS down in flames, add an extra threshold needed to be exceeded that results in instant explosion. For example, consider a DS with 3,000 ehp being hit with 3,000 damage. As it stands the dropship slowly falls out of the sky giving people time to escape. Now, my suggestion is give the DS x additional "health" which, once depleted, will result in the DS exploding like a tank would but in the sky. Additionally, if the finishing blow to the DS depletes both the ehp and this added buffer then it will instantly explode. Again, probably has been suggested, but in case it hasn't, this seems like a fair way to proceed.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10497	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:56:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as redline railguns weren't a thing. ''I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as i dont have Any Counters except heavies'' This is what i read. Well if you learned how to read, you'd notice that I covered that. But you don't know how to read, so I can't be bothered to explain. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10497	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:58:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: What gives Dropship pilots the right to deny AV the points that they earned? While I'm in favor of being locked in the vehicle because I'm not a little *****, to answer your question quite simply: skill required to operate efficiently. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4299	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:59:00 - [27] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? They're losing the Dropship. How is that not defined as being punished? Pilots of all sorts should always have an option to bail. No, they shouldn't. The AVer did his job. He blew up the vehicle. Why should he be denied the points and kill that he earned? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 2887	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:00:00 - [28] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: DS occupants should be killed just like every other vehicle. LAV and tank occupants don't get grace time. That makes no sense unless the cockpit specifically is targeted. An LAV a highly exposed frame riding on top of an explosive. Death is expected. A tank is highly armored, but the pilot is entirely enclosed. If the shell is penetrated there is only one place for the explosive force to go. Death is certain. A dropship is, for the most part, open. If the front part is penerated, pilot death should indeed be possible. The rear engines exploding would not kill the pilot at the opposite end of the craft, however. He would have more than enough time to open the rear cockpit door and bail out of the side in case of trouble from the midsection or rear.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10502	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:01:00 - [29] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Spectre-M wrote: DS occupants should be killed just like every other vehicle. LAV and tank occupants don't get grace time. That makes no sense unless the cockpit specifically is targeted. An LAV a highly exposed frame riding on top of an explosive. Death is expected. A tank is highly armored, but the pilot is entirely enclosed. If the shell is penetrated there is only one place for the explosive force to go. Death is certain. A dropship is, for the most part, open. If the front part is penerated, pilot death should indeed be possible. The rear engines exploding would not kill the pilot at the opposite end of the craft, however. He would have more than enough time to open the rear cockpit door and bail out of the side in case of trouble from the midsection or rear. I long for a day of enter and exit animations for vehicles, preferably from first person Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 854	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:02:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? They're losing the Dropship. How is that not defined as being punished? Pilots of all sorts should always have an option to bail. No, they shouldn't. The AVer did his job. He blew up the vehicle. Why should he be denied the points and kill that he earned? true, but his "kill" is the vehicle, the pilot is just extra bonus points for what ever vehicle he "killed" Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker

Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 89	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:06:00 - [31] - Quote Perhaps an "overkill" health bar as well? If you just barly kill the DS/ADs then it crashes as normal, but if enough damage is done it explodes in the air like a vehicle does on the ground when killed and takes the pilot and crew with it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4300	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:10:00 - [32] - Quote Slen Kaleth wrote: Perhaps an "overkill" health bar as well? If you just barly kill the DS/ADs then it crashes as normal, but if enough damage is done it explodes in the air like a vehicle does on the ground when killed and takes the pilot and crew with it. I could live with that. Though how much HP of damage would you need for an "overkill?" Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 331	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:11:00 - [33] - Quote Joel II X wrote: darkiller240 wrote: When i get shot down i usually stay in to see what killed me Rail Tank Rail Tank Rail Tank Rail Tank Rail Tank Forge Gun Rail Tank Tail Rank Rail Tank you forgot RDV RDV LOLDV RAMMER "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 90	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:16:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Slen Kaleth wrote: Perhaps an "overkill" health bar as well? If you just barly kill the DS/ADs then it crashes as normal, but if enough damage is done it explodes in the air like a vehicle does on the ground when killed and takes the pilot and crew with it. I could live with that. Though how much HP of damage would you need for an "overkill?" Not sure what would be fair,/balanced maybe something high enough that it would normal happen from high Alpha weapons, 700 maybe?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 157	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:19:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? They're losing the Dropship. How is that not defined as being punished? Pilots of all sorts should always have an option to bail. No, they shouldn't. The AVer did his job. He blew up the vehicle. Why should he be denied the points and kill that he earned? Do they not get the points from the vehicle that they killed? Now if passengers are killed by the dropship as they gtfo then the AVer should get those points. *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 90	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:27:00 - [36] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Atiim wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? They're losing the Dropship. How is that not defined as being punished? Pilots of all sorts should always have an option to bail. No, they shouldn't. The AVer did his job. He blew up the vehicle. Why should he be denied the points and kill that he earned? true, but his "kill" is the vehicle, the pilot is just extra bonus points for what ever vehicle he "killed" If the pilot doesn't die than it is kin to an infantry suit being destroyed and the merc jumping out to continue the fight. I agree that they should have the option to abandon before the killing blow is dealt, but not after. It should be a tactical decision, do you think you can still drive/fly to safety or abandon ship before it takes you with it.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 120	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:37:00 - [37] - Quote I used to think drop ship deaths should give a kill, until I started flying ADS. everything kills ADS so easily. Swarms, forges, rail turrets, missile turrets, buildings, the ground, other drop ships smashing into you, MCCs, RDVs and rail tanks, rail tanks, rail tanks. Flying ADS is already hard enough and even harder when everything can kill you so quick. So with the extra difficulty of piloting, I think balling out of a dead dropship is fair. However, once the dropship is on fire another volley should blow it and it's crew up. I think that would be fair to av users. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 404	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:37:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: Atiim wrote: No, they should not be able to bail. My Swarm Launcher won the race and they were being to much of an idiot to use an afterburner. Why shouldn't they be punished for it? They're losing the Dropship. How is that not defined as being punished? Pilots of all sorts should always have an option to bail. No, they shouldn't. The AVer did his job. He blew up the vehicle. Why should he be denied the points and kill that he earned? The AVer did his job and took out the vehicle. I don't see how the status of the pilot factors into that equation. The AVer is already being compensated with extra WP for the vehicle kill itself. Saga v. Methana Balance
Taurion Bruni D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 212	Posted - 2014.02.01 23:56:00 - [39] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as redline railguns weren't a thing. ''I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as i don't have Any Counters except heavies'' This is what i read. speaking of not fair, why do redline tanks get to sit there in safety taking pot shots at anything it wants. no risk for massive gain is not a balanced mechanic. the turret itself is fine, but I want to be able to counter it without another railgun tank Pilot // Logistics
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 90	Posted - 2014.02.02 01:15:00 - [40] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as redline railguns weren't a thing. ''I wouldn't mind being locked into the ship so long as i don't have Any Counters except heavies'' This is what i read. speaking of not fair, why do redline tanks get to sit there in safety taking pot shots at anything it wants. no risk for massive gain is not a balanced mechanic. the turret itself is fine, but I want to be able to counter it without another railgun tank Could not agree more. Redline anything is not fair/balanced.



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