I would add. While hardeners are active and in cooldown there is absolutely NO repairing of armor or shields (depending on which hardener was used). This would make tanks have to retreat for longer not drive around a building and come back at full strength. And absolutely no recalling when hardeners are in cooldown

I would add. While hardeners are active and in cooldown there is absolutely NO repairing of armor or shields (depending on which hardener was used). This would make tanks have to retreat for longer not drive around a building and come back at full strength. And absolutely no recalling when hardeners are in cooldown

Why would an active hardner slow your tank? How would you escape AV? -1

Stop hardener stacking? If you can fit it, you should be able to run it. Stop or severely penalize dual stacking armor&shield. +.5

Hardener drawback? How about its only good for ~1 min? then has a recharge. Working as intended. -1

Slight buff to AV nades +1, to compensate for dual hardeners.....(didn't you just say no dual hardeners?) -1


AV should take teamwork. Tanks are balanced in PC, pubs, who the **** cares. Git gud. Tanks are still ez mode with 1 forge gunner, or 2 swarm launchers.

You don't have to kill the tank, you just have to render it ineffective. The more time a tank spends recharging hardeners and retreating, the less time it spends wiping troops.

AV needs to stop thinking like they possess OHK weapons, and start to realize that you simply have area denial AV. (much like what the mass driver and laser rifle do to infantry currently)

I am in favor of turning swarms into a sidearm in their current form though.



PS - I have zero SP invested into tanks, I have alts who **** around with tanks, only so I understand the mechanics behind the role. I do have a PC forge gunner and IMO tanks are very close to balanced.

80% speed reduction? Your even more stupid than CCP.

No repair lol, no speed lol with hardeners either

That makes them way way too easy to kill, 2 shots from my breach FG kills all and since no regen that hardener is useless and they cant move either

Infantry and bad ideas go hand in hand or rarther foot in mouth

To your first remark: That's what boosters are for. Either activate it to compensate for your hardner's speed reduction, or use it to get the hell outta dodge once the hardner goes down.

To your "fitting" remark: If this were the case, then why can't tanks fit multiple nitro boosters? Oh... right.. for game balance....

To your "working as intended" remark: Except that we have hardner stacking, meaning the cooldown of one mod means nothing because another is activated immediately. Not working as intended, since "waves of opportunity and vulnerability" doesn't exist.

To your "AV deterrent" remark: AV is not a deterrent role as long as AV recieves no WP or ISK for partial damage. There is currently no incentive whatsoever to specc into light AV. You loose 12 suits trying to take out 2 tanks because your anti-infantry abilities are hampered by loosing your light weapon slot to an AV weapon, and your squad can't protect you properly from the infantry because the tank is hampering them. Light AV is still AV, and as such should be only slightly less effective than heavy AV. When used in conjunction with AV grenades, it should be just as effective if not moreso.

To your "render tanks ineffective" remark: And who the **** do you think finds it fun to spend millions of SP and ISK on AV just to "render a tank ineffective"?

To your "area denial" remark: MD's and lasers are better at what they do than light AV is at what it does. Also, no. If it WERE supposed to be area denial, it would have been area denial FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. And it hasn't been.

To your last remark: They don't need to be sidearms, they need to work.

To your whole post: Your rating system means nothing to me, save your time and drop it. I don't even know who the **** you are, so why the **** would I care how well you rate my individual changes?

I like how it is with hardeners now though, the new tankers have a chance against the experienced tankers, if anything, just increase the cooldown of MLT Hardeners, back before 1.7, it came down to which tanker had the better gear. At least newb HAVs stand a chance now.

Because you are a whiney ****-ant scrublet who would rather ***** about how things used to be than actually try to adapt and git gud. They re-worked the ENTIRE vehicle skill tree, and as such the entire role of vehicles. You are clinging to an old ideal of what they 'used' to be, which is probably why you get ******* face-rolled every time.

And one last time, with GUSTO

Step 1. Increase the strength AND duration of STD hardners by 3%, ADV hardners by 5% & PRO hardners by 10%

Step 2. Stop hardner stacking.

Step 3. Make hardners have drawback effects. Armor hardners, when activated, should slow your movement speed by 80%. Shield hardners should cancel all shield regeneration until the hardner goes off.

Step 4. Slight damage buff to light AV and 'nades (around 10% for light AV, around 5% for AV grenades) to compensate for repair stacking fits (to ensure AV weapons are capable of keeping up with the rep cycle)

Results:

Tanks actually have waves of opportunity

Militia hardners are trash compared to good hardners

Hardners used intelligently are great but used poorly are worthless (hardner management becomes a "thing")

There are finally huge differences between shield and armor tanking besides just the fittings. Armor becomes "stand and deliver", shields become "hit and run".

4 changes, problem solved, crisis concluded. Tanks will be at around Chromosome levels of balance (Chromosome is considered "the golden age" of tank balance) with current Uprising price tags.

1-- really wouldn't do much of anything
2-- there are situations where the only way to survive is to double stack hardeners, such as against any competent team. If you use only one hardener and run into one you will be blown up in under 8 seconds. Conversely a horribly disorganized team has trouble vs a single hardener, and can't do anything vs a double hardener.
3-- this would literally make tanks useless- a swarm of cheap AV would catch up to the tank in no time once the hardener went up and would literally be a death sentence, not a defense of any kind.
Imagine what would happen if this penalty was for an infantry module. You use a hardener, they just wait around the corner cause you can't catch up, someone runs all the way around the building and back up behind you, then shoots you in the head cause you can't turn to face them in time once the hardener wears off.
4-- because of the "Sitting Duck" mechanic higher damage would just be faster destruction

RESULT: Useless tanks that can be easily tagged, flagged, and discarded regardless of driver skill or ability.
AKA---- REDLINE RAILS ONLY

Awww.... did I offend the poor tank scrub? Go stuff yourself. "Git gud"? What a cop out, why don't you "git gud" instead of relying on OP mechanics? Hmm? What's that? Oh, you need your FOTM safety blanket to keep you nice and warm and invulnerable to 99% of the weapons in the game and safe from all of the mean old infantry guys who touched you wrong?

Oh, ok. I understand.

Went over ALL of this already, LTR.

You really should learn to read the comment before mindlessly posting.

And one last time, with GUSTO

Step 1. Increase the strength AND duration of STD hardners by 3%, ADV hardners by 5% & PRO hardners by 10%

Step 2. Stop hardner stacking.

Step 3. Make hardners have drawback effects. Armor hardners, when activated, should slow your movement speed by 80%. Shield hardners should cancel all shield regeneration until the hardner goes off.

Step 4. Slight damage buff to light AV and 'nades (around 10% for light AV, around 5% for AV grenades) to compensate for repair stacking fits (to ensure AV weapons are capable of keeping up with the rep cycle)

Results:

Tanks actually have waves of opportunity

Militia hardners are trash compared to good hardners

Hardners used intelligently are great but used poorly are worthless (hardner management becomes a "thing")

There are finally huge differences between shield and armor tanking besides just the fittings. Armor becomes "stand and deliver", shields become "hit and run".

4 changes, problem solved, crisis concluded. Tanks will be at around Chromosome levels of balance (Chromosome is considered "the golden age" of tank balance) with current Uprising price tags.

And one last time, with GUSTO

Step 1. Increase the strength AND duration of STD hardners by 3%, ADV hardners by 5% & PRO hardners by 10%

Step 2. Stop hardner stacking.

Step 3. Make hardners have drawback effects. Armor hardners, when activated, should slow your movement speed by 80%. Shield hardners should cancel all shield regeneration until the hardner goes off.

Step 4. Slight damage buff to light AV and 'nades (around 10% for light AV, around 5% for AV grenades) to compensate for repair stacking fits (to ensure AV weapons are capable of keeping up with the rep cycle)
.

You really should learn to read the comment before mindlessly posting.
I have highlighted a key point now so that even the nearly blind can find it in my prior post.
You know... the only point you removed from your quote?...

as a response to the absolutely DAFT comment about the engine boosters, all they do is increase acceleration, not top speed.

Since you are you, you'd be running a proto one. It would have a 10% longer duration than the current ones and also have 10% higher damage resistance. Meaning you run in while nearly invincible, hit the enemy, then get gone if you see they are breaking through your shields or when your timer is almost up so you can repp in safety for the next run. You know, the whole "waves of opportunity and vulnerability" that CCP was striving for.

Light AV is still AV, and as such should be only slightly less effective than heavy AV. When used in conjunction with AV grenades, it should be just as effective if not moreso.

Its just a crybaby posting about why he gets his**** pushed in by better players. Nothing more to see here folks...move along

AV should take teamwork. Tanks are balanced in PC, pubs, who the **** cares. Git gud. Tanks are still ez mode with 1 forge gunner, or 2 swarm launchers.

I do have a PC forge gunner and IMO tanks are very close to balanced.

And one last time, with GUSTO

Step 1. Increase the strength AND duration of STD hardners by 3%, ADV hardners by 5% & PRO hardners by 10%

Step 2. Stop hardner stacking.

Step 3. Make hardners have drawback effects. Armor hardners, when activated, should slow your (EDIT: acceleration)speed by 80%. Shield hardners should cancel all shield regeneration until the hardner goes off.

Step 4. Slight damage buff to light AV and 'nades (around 10% for light AV, around 5% for AV grenades) to compensate for repair stacking fits (to ensure AV weapons are capable of keeping up with the rep cycle)

Results:

Tanks actually have waves of opportunity

Militia hardners are trash compared to good hardners

Hardners used intelligently are great but used poorly are worthless (hardner management becomes a "thing")

There are finally huge differences between shield and armor tanking besides just the fittings. Armor becomes "stand and deliver", shields become "hit and run".

4 changes, problem solved, crisis concluded. Tanks will be at around Chromosome levels of balance (Chromosome is considered "the golden age" of tank balance) with current Uprising price tags.

No repair lol, no speed lol with hardeners either

That makes them way way too easy to kill, 2 shots from my breach FG kills all and since no regen that hardener is useless and they cant move either

Infantry and bad ideas go hand in hand or rarther foot in mouth

And one last time, with GUSTO

Step 1. Increase the strength AND duration of STD hardners by 3%, ADV hardners by 5% & PRO hardners by 10%

Step 2. Stop hardner stacking.

Step 3. Make hardners have drawback effects. Armor hardners, when activated, should slow your (EDIT: acceleration)speed by 80%. Shield hardners should cancel all shield regeneration until the hardner goes off.

Step 4. Slight damage buff to light AV and 'nades (around 10% for light AV, around 5% for AV grenades) to compensate for repair stacking fits (to ensure AV weapons are capable of keeping up with the rep cycle)

Results:

Tanks actually have waves of opportunity

Militia hardners are trash compared to good hardners

Hardners used intelligently are great but used poorly are worthless (hardner management becomes a "thing")

There are finally huge differences between shield and armor tanking besides just the fittings. Armor becomes "stand and deliver", shields become "hit and run".

4 changes, problem solved, crisis concluded. Tanks will be at around Chromosome levels of balance (Chromosome is considered "the golden age" of tank balance) with current Uprising price tags.

Why would an active hardner slow your tank? How would you escape AV? -1

We live in a universe where we can have our consciousness transferred to a clone wirelessly upon death. I'm sure we could think of something.

How would you escape AV? Simple. You plan ahead, and leave before your tank is in critical condition. This way, you have to actually be "gud" at tanking as opposed to just standing there and taking it effortlessly.


Stop hardener stacking? If you can fit it, you should be able to run it. Stop or severely penalize dual stacking armor&shield. +.5

No Comment

Hardener drawback? How about its only good for ~1 min? then has a recharge. Working as intended. -1

I love how you conveniently "forget to mention" how you can easily recall your tank before the cooldown expires. It's quite simple and easy in fact.

Slight buff to AV nades +1, to compensate for dual hardeners.....(didn't you just say no dual hardeners?) -1

No Comment.

AV should take teamwork. Tanks are balanced in PC, pubs, who the **** cares. Git gud. Tanks are still ez mode with 1 forge gunner, or 2 swarm launchers.

If AV should take teamwork, then so should HAVs.

Who the F*ck cares? The 99% of the playerbase who does not, could not, and would not participate in PC. Heck, most of Molden Heath is shutdown in protest anyways so what else are you gonna play? lolFW?

Your elitist opinion about how tank balance in anything but PC doesn't matter is both irrelevant, and shouldn't be taken seriously in a balance discussion. Heck, me even replying to this part leaves me puzzled.

You don't have to kill the tank, you just have to render it ineffective. The more time a tank spends recharging hardeners and retreating, the less time it spends wiping troops.

And that's profitable how exactly? When I'm only suppressing in 215k suits with no reward, the role is an nonviable ISK sink.

So now HAVs are like cancer tumors huh? Remove the problem without completely destroying it, and it'll come back even worse?

AV needs to stop thinking like they possess OHK weapons, and start to realize that you simply have area denial AV. (much like what the mass driver and laser rifle do to infantry currently)

So now you think that tanks shouldn't die to infantry, but merely pushed back? Priceless.

I am in favor of turning swarms into a sidearm in their current form though.

I wouldn't say no to it, but that'd be one huge sidearm...

PS - I have zero SP invested into tanks, I have alts who **** around with tanks, only so I understand the mechanics behind the role. I do have a PC forge gunner and IMO tanks are very close to balanced.

Why would an active hardner slow your tank? How would you escape AV? -1

Stop hardener stacking? If you can fit it, you should be able to run it. Stop or severely penalize dual stacking armor&shield. +.5

Hardener drawback? How about its only good for ~1 min? then has a recharge. Working as intended. -1

Slight buff to AV nades +1, to compensate for dual hardeners.....(didn't you just say no dual hardeners?) -1


AV should take teamwork. Tanks are balanced in PC, pubs, who the **** cares. Git gud. Tanks are still ez mode with 1 forge gunner, or 2 swarm launchers.

You don't have to kill the tank, you just have to render it ineffective. The more time a tank spends recharging hardeners and retreating, the less time it spends wiping troops.

AV needs to stop thinking like they possess OHK weapons, and start to realize that you simply have area denial AV. (much like what the mass driver and laser rifle do to infantry currently)

I am in favor of turning swarms into a sidearm in their current form though.



PS - I have zero SP invested into tanks, I have alts who **** around with tanks, only so I understand the mechanics behind the role. I do have a PC forge gunner and IMO tanks are very close to balanced.

Chromosome is considered "the golden age" of tank balance.

Yeah you stu*** di*** fu***.

Its considered the Golden age of tanks, BY TANKERS.....