DUST Search - Fix for rail rifle CQC

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Evicer wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Evicer wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR).
I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions.

Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match.

Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?".
Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI).
Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently?

Lol.You wish it was a personal attack.Im just relly sick and tired of listening to your mind numbing diatribe about every , other ,little thing. I've been listening to your garbage since closed beta.You're always championing these dumb changes and some how through your incessant typing CCP listens to you. Probably IRC as well.Though I never see you in matches.Never see you playing the game.The only person out of all the people in IRC i see on the regular playing the game is KAIN.Actually playing the game....Actually listening.Actually skilling into these weapons.

My argument has always been this.You will want to skill the wep some day (that is if you play and actually accumulate sp) and therefore all these nerfs make (EVERYTHING) into ****.Giving rise to Fotm anyways.So please do us all a favor and shut the hell up.

I doubt he wants a personal attack, actually. It seems you're happy to deliver, but I suppose idiots generally are.

KAGEHOSHI has made more constructive posts than you will probably ever make in your life. Key word 'constructive'. You can go and look that up if you don't know what it means. I'll give you a clue - what you just posted is not constructive.

Would you like to explain what changes you see as 'dumb'? It may be a little beyond you, given that you don't seem to understand basic balancing principles, but perhaps if you attempt to justify yourself then maybe you won't look like such a moron.

If not, do us all a favour and shut the hell up.

@topic:

I'm not sure about this. The charge time already disadvantages the weapon in CQC in the event of refiring and it's not enough of a disadvantage. Would this essentially mean that once you stop firing you can't refire for an extended period of time? I think that might be a frustrating mechanic.

Rather, I feel it would be better to adjust the tight hipfire dispersion so that it isn't quite so pinpoint. That way, the weapon isn't very good in CQC but it can still work well enough at its long range ADS role.

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richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 710	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:06:00 - [1] - Quote Make it so as you fire heat builds ups -but won't overheat the gun- once you stop firing you have to wait till it cools down to fire again. Voila, Absolutely awful CQC. compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Green Living 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1186	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:20:00 - [2] - Quote And when it overheats you can't swap weapons. The accuracy hip firing that thing is amazing. Absolutely no drawbacks.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4427	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:20:00 - [3] - Quote So it's heat buildup, but without the overheat cooldown time..? Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 710	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So it's heat buildup, but without the overheat cooldown time..? Yup compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8706	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:26:00 - [5] - Quote Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 138	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:28:00 - [6] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So it's heat buildup, but without the overheat cooldown time..? Yup Dumb Heat buildup? I think we'll cal it the CRD Scrambler rifle. Oh wait we already have one of those. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 138	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:30:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 625	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote it seems to have more dps than the rifle with the least range....
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 138	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:37:00 - [9] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Make it so as you fire heat builds ups -but won't overheat the gun- once you stop firing you have to wait till it cools down to fire again. Voila, Absolutely awful CQC. I also find it absolutely hilarious that a Gallente player is asking for a nerf on a Caldari weapon. Um imagine that. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8711	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:42:00 - [10] - Quote Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?". Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI). Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1381	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:44:00 - [11] - Quote the RR dps is fine, so that shouldnt be touched. Although I perfectly hate rail rifles. I do think it should have an Overheat mechanic like the Scr. why? Rail cannons, rail turrets, and small rail turrets in the game over heat. So it only makes sense that the RR should overheat. In this way at longer ranges you are still efficient. and at close range you can stil defend yourself in a pinch (like the scrambler rifle) but you can't run around the place slaughtering people in close range (except scr rilfe can still slaughter people close range) Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1381	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:45:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?". Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI). Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently? although your arguments here against Evicer are solid. Evicer has a point, you have 8000+ likes... you clear spend a sizable amount of time on the forums. jus sayin... not trying to insult. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1148	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:47:00 - [13] - Quote Why not make it so that firing the rail rifle imposes a huge speed penalty, say -90% movement. It's intended use is for long range so movement is at a bare minimal, while strafing is key in CQC. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 321	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:48:00 - [14] - Quote Nooooooooooo reduce damage at CQ and increase spool time to 0.35 its ment to be a death dealer at range giving it these nerfs will make it hard to use in CQ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 140	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:51:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?". Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI). Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently? Lol.You wish it was a personal attack.Im just relly sick and tired of listening to your mind numbing diatribe about every , other ,little thing. I've been listening to your garbage since closed beta.You're always championing these dumb changes and some how through your incessant typing CCP listens to you. Probably IRC as well.Though I never see you in matches.Never see you playing the game.The only person out of all the people in IRC i see on the regular playing the game is KAIN.Actually playing the game....Actually listening.Actually skilling into these weapons. My argument has always been this.You will want to skill the wep some day (that is if you play and actually accumulate sp) and therefore all these nerfs make (EVERYTHING) into **.Giving rise to Fotm anyways.So please do us all a favor and shut the hell up. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3028	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:54:00 - [16] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Make it so as you fire heat builds ups -but won't overheat the gun- once you stop firing you have to wait till it cools down to fire again. Voila, Absolutely awful CQC. So that you get to kill a person with an OP weapon, but you have to take a breather afterwards? This Srambler Rifle territory. No.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8711	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:55:00 - [17] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: the RR dps is fine, so that shouldnt be touched. Although I perfectly hate rail rifles. I do think it should have an Overheat mechanic like the Scr. why? Rail cannons, rail turrets, and small rail turrets in the game over heat. So it only makes sense that the RR should overheat. In this way at longer ranges you are still efficient. and at close range you can stil defend yourself in a pinch (like the scrambler rifle) but you can't run around the place slaughtering people in close range (except scr rilfe can still slaughter people close range) Same logic can be applied to blaster turrets and ARs, but doesn't mean the AR should overheat. Its too much of a punishing feature, and the RR isn't that OP that its warranted in my opinion. Nerfing fire rate by 10% would be enough to give AR a solid edge over the RR at close range. And at comment #12, yeah but I also spend a sizable portion on my time on Dust as well, and I make it a point to test out suits and weapons with various alts to get a good picture of things beyond my role (which is Amarr asault and SCR) Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2140	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:56:00 - [18] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: the RR dps is fine, so that shouldnt be touched. Although I perfectly hate rail rifles. I do think it should have an Overheat mechanic like the Scr. why? Rail cannons, rail turrets, and small rail turrets in the game over heat. So it only makes sense that the RR should overheat. In this way at longer ranges you are still efficient. and at close range you can stil defend yourself in a pinch (like the scrambler rifle) but you can't run around the place slaughtering people in close range (except scr rilfe can still slaughter people close range) I think it would have to applies to the AR as well then(please dot nerf my AR anymore) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6347	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:58:00 - [19] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: beyond my role (which is Amarr asault and SCR) And yet you are dirty rebel scum! "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 564	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:59:00 - [20] - Quote ya know CCP could give RR the old HMG accuracy as in only the pixel in the verrry center does damage Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2015	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:08:00 - [21] - Quote There is an overheat mechanic that allows for reduced RoF based on overheat. So you can say the RoF drops to 65% after 3 secs.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8713	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:10:00 - [22] - Quote Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?". Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI). Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently? Lol.You wish it was a personal attack.Im just relly sick and tired of listening to your mind numbing diatribe about every , other ,little thing. I've been listening to your garbage since closed beta.You're always championing these dumb changes and some how through your incessant typing CCP listens to you. Probably IRC as well.Though I never see you in matches.Never see you playing the game.The only person out of all the people in IRC i see on the regular playing the game is KAIN.Actually playing the game....Actually listening.Actually skilling into these weapons. My argument has always been this.You will want to skill the wep some day (that is if you play and actually accumulate sp) and therefore all these nerfs make (EVERYTHING) into **.Giving rise to Fotm anyways.So please do us all a favor and shut the hell up. And nope, not an IRC. Haven't been in IRC in months. Feel free to ask those there. Like I already told you, I play Dust, go ask Cat Merc, Arkena Wyrnspire, Mobius Wyvern, or someone else i frequently squad with. I have personally tested every weapon in the game, usually on my alts (my corp is basically an easy way just to transfer ISK between alts, I have to test everything on an alt before skilling). I got an alt advanced Caldari assault alt with rail rifle proficiency an alt for testing, but even in standard tier its overpowered. So yeah, I tested it, I test everything. The rail rifle is the first weapon I thought truly deserves to be nerfed in many many months. You make it sound like I'm going on a "nerf it" spree. "Waaaaah waaaah waaaaah, I don't like to read your posts", I don't give a what you like or don't like to read, if you don't want to read it, don't *** read it. Do you ever type anything that isn't complete garbage? so far its all I'm getting from you. If you can't have a discussion revolving around the relevant facts of a weapon instead of idiotic accusations, then there's no point in talking to you, I'm done replying to you, dumb kid. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt** Gû¦Gû+
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 311	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:13:00 - [23] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Make it so as you fire heat builds ups -but won't overheat the gun- once you stop firing you have to wait till it cools down to fire again. Voila, Absolutely awful CQC. If it's not broken, don't fix it. ! The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 438	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:22:00 - [24] - Quote The Rr IS the worst gun CQ. I'd rather have a gek than a RR when I turn a corner. The ROF and tight spread makes it easy to dodge up close. People want it to be an auto lose button up close similar to the LR. The only needed change would be to lower the rof even more and then increase damage to keep dps the same. Make it so missing just one Rr shot is costly.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8679	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:26:00 - [25] - Quote Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?". Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI). Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently? Lol.You wish it was a personal attack.Im just relly sick and tired of listening to your mind numbing diatribe about every , other ,little thing. I've been listening to your garbage since closed beta.You're always championing these dumb changes and some how through your incessant typing CCP listens to you. Probably IRC as well.Though I never see you in matches.Never see you playing the game.The only person out of all the people in IRC i see on the regular playing the game is KAIN.Actually playing the game....Actually listening.Actually skilling into these weapons. My argument has always been this.You will want to skill the wep some day (that is if you play and actually accumulate sp) and therefore all these nerfs make (EVERYTHING) into ****.Giving rise to Fotm anyways.So please do us all a favor and shut the hell up. I doubt he wants a personal attack, actually. It seems you're happy to deliver, but I suppose idiots generally are. KAGEHOSHI has made more constructive posts than you will probably ever make in your life. Key word 'constructive'. You can go and look that up if you don't know what it means. I'll give you a clue - what you just posted is not constructive. Would you like to explain what changes you see as 'dumb'? It may be a little beyond you, given that you don't seem to understand basic balancing principles, but perhaps if you attempt to justify yourself then maybe you won't look like such a moron. If not, do us all a favour and shut the hell up. @topic: I'm not sure about this. The charge time already disadvantages the weapon in CQC in the event of refiring and it's not enough of a disadvantage. Would this essentially mean that once you stop firing you can't refire for an extended period of time? I think that might be a frustrating mechanic. Rather, I feel it would be better to adjust the tight hipfire dispersion so that it isn't quite so pinpoint. That way, the weapon isn't very good in CQC but it can still work well enough at its long range ADS role. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 141	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:39:00 - [26] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. Personal attacks =/= valid argument. If you disagree with me about something, use logic and present your case in a reasonable manner instead of just "Do you even Dust bro?". Yes, I play the game (playing character is just called KAGEHOSHI). Aside from the rail rifle, what else have I "spewed math" about for the purpose of nerfing recently? Lol.You wish it was a personal attack.Im just relly sick and tired of listening to your mind numbing diatribe about every , other ,little thing. I've been listening to your garbage since closed beta.You're always championing these dumb changes and some how through your incessant typing CCP listens to you. Probably IRC as well.Though I never see you in matches.Never see you playing the game.The only person out of all the people in IRC i see on the regular playing the game is KAIN.Actually playing the game....Actually listening.Actually skilling into these weapons. My argument has always been this.You will want to skill the wep some day (that is if you play and actually accumulate sp) and therefore all these nerfs make (EVERYTHING) into **.Giving rise to Fotm anyways.So please do us all a favor and shut the hell up. I doubt he wants a personal attack, actually. It seems you're happy to deliver, but I suppose idiots generally are. KAGEHOSHI has made more constructive posts than you will probably ever make in your life. Key word 'constructive'. You can go and look that up if you don't know what it means. I'll give you a clue - what you just posted is not constructive. Would you like to explain what changes you see as 'dumb'? It may be a little beyond you, given that you don't seem to understand basic balancing principles, but perhaps if you attempt to justify yourself then maybe you won't look like such a moron. If not, do us all a favour and shut the hell up. @topic: I'm not sure about this. The charge time already disadvantages the weapon in CQC in the event of refiring and it's not enough of a disadvantage. Would this essentially mean that once you stop firing you can't refire for an extended period of time? I think that might be a frustrating mechanic. Rather, I feel it would be better to adjust the tight hipfire dispersion so that it isn't quite so pinpoint. That way, the weapon isn't very good in CQC but it can still work well enough at its long range ADS role. Ah hes got a fan.How cute. Look at av the way it is now.Yeah thats yer buddy.Tank bush.Well balanced game.Yep got ya.Over 8000 likes due to (conservatively) 2x as many post.Leads me to believe that the reason why this game is in the condition it is now is in direct correlation to that.IE championing dumb ass changes and sitting on the forums. Oh and you can thank me for helping Zitara decide on your corp name. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2810	Posted - 2014.01.29 23:39:00 - [27] - Quote increase the spool time "The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4550	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:01:00 - [28] - Quote Evicer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Probably would easier to just nerf DPS. The racial rifle with the most range (RR) shouldn't have the same DPS as the the rifle with the least range (AR). I don't like the idea of giving more weapons overheat, I like the idea of it being Amarr only with a few exceptions. Do you even play this game? I always see you in the forums all the time asking for nerfs and spewing math..But never have I ever seen you in a match. I play with him frequently, so I can confirm he plays the game about as much as I do, which is around 1-2 hours a day at the least. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 114	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:07:00 - [29] - Quote The rr is fine why not nerfing the CR as that is a monster of a gun in CQC and range? How about let's nerf the ScR as well because it does too well against shield users? No? Ahhh that's right most of you that cry for the rr nerf is because your all armor users and don't want to adapt to the new rifles... Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8683	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:19:00 - [30] - Quote Evicer wrote: Look at av the way it is now.Yeah thats yer buddy.Tank bush.Well balanced game.Yep got ya.Over 8000 likes due to (conservatively) 2x as many post.Leads me to believe that the reason why this game is in the condition it is now is in direct correlation to that.IE championing dumb ass changes and sitting on the forums. How exactly is AV and vehicles down to KAGEHOSHI and I? ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven



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