DUST Search - Something happening to REs?

Azri Sarum wrote:

Beld Errmon wrote:

They are only invincible if you are terrible, I kill tanks on foot, in the air and with other tanks, I guess it takes a tanker to kill a tanker, regardless of the tools.

Considering how hard tanks are stomping over infantry in most games (Just my observation here, but really hard) something has to give. It really doesn't matter if a few of us can handle tanks if they are running roughshod over 95% of the player base. It can't go on like this and we all know it.

Regarding the jihad jeeps... I have mixed feelings about them. On one hand, its great to see gameplay like this happen. Its very sanbox-esque. CCP gave us the tools and we figured out clever things to do with them, love it. Its also rather difficult if the enemy team is in the least bit competent, infantry or the tanker itself can blow you sky high if they see you. That said, it scales poorly. The same tactic can take out crap fit militia tanks the same as the best brick tanked tanks. I dunno, i feel like its perfect on the low to mid range of tanks, but a bit too powerful on the high end tanks.

More than anything though I would hate to lose this as a tactic. It adds to the game, and we would be worse off if was removed. We should be talking about balancing it, rather than removing it.

Also CCP, make them stick to infantry. Doooo eeeet

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Mortedeamor 1307	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:43:00 - [31] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: I... I just want to kill a tank with 3 re's that stuck to him. That's it. I can care less about jihad jeeps (as I rarely tank). you see people like you i have true respect my main is specced av i use re's as well but i am no unskilled jihhader. once this nerf occurs the true skilled re users can shine which i imagine is something they would want..now i will openly admit to adding re's to my medium frame av suit post 1.7 i do have them proto but i do not consider myself as a demolitions expert far from it i am still learning..it is merely an adaptation because i needed another bang on my medium av suit and did not on my forge. but pre 1.7 i was one of the loudest crying for 2 out of my 3 only prof V weapons to be nerfed (the forge and the swam)..and i would say i am the only or maybe one among few who does not want ccp to buff av currently. my character has 36 million sp specced into amarr infantry only 3 prof v weapon forge swarm and smg..a variety of proto light weapons and 3 proto infantry suits..i have aprox 3 million sp into tanks i say dont buff av but please nerf re's jihadability it is a no skill art that detracts from the role of guardian. (my favorite role what i would say i am best at personally) logi being my secondary strong suit and then tanking in third. +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quiet irritating
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 241	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:48:00 - [32] - Quote the only thing they should change about R.E's is they should no longer become possesed and float above objective control panels.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 485	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:56:00 - [33] - Quote Deploying RE on red tanks is essential in AV... As for jihad jeeps, lol if you die to one.... you deserve it I've used jihad jeeps a few times and if the HAV has any sense he won't fall for it And if the terrain is uneven it becomes much harder to get a hit.... Jihad jeeps fit perfectly into Risk V Reward, You are risking your ass going for that kill and it is not as easy as it looks, so I think the reward is justified.... CCP please don't listen to tankers cries for mercy.... With all the **** Infantry have put up with in 1.7 Tamkers deserve suicidal mainiacs being able to kill them Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion 1274	Posted - 2014.01.28 14:59:00 - [34] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: There is a post buy a dev somewhere about the RE sticking to lavs/tanks etc is a unintended flaw in the programming how is it a flaw when it was done on purpose? also jihad jeeps are a sympton, do not hate the symptom, hate the disease aka tanks. beside that, jihad jeeps are easily countered by awareness, in short all the tank scrubs should just get gud and stfu. What does this have to do with anything at all? God damn! You really can't help yourself, can you! Only one person in this thread has claimed that REs are too powerful or whatever. At no point did I complain about them - if you could READ you'd know that I EXPLICITLY stated that I LIKED the mechanic and it should be KEPT. Its funny these re-tards will hate on tankers even when you agree with them. i'm a tanker and I support the keeping of jihad jeeps and buffing proxy REs or atleast removing the beep that gives them away.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:00:00 - [35] - Quote Stickyness does need a fix. Their behaviour should be consistent. They stick to walls. They stick to tanks. They stick to LAVs. So why the hell do they not stick to infantry?
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 248	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:03:00 - [36] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Stickyness does need a fix. Their behaviour should be consistent. They stick to walls. They stick to tanks. They stick to LAVs. So why the hell do they not stick to infantry? They attach via probably magnets, infantry not magnetic enough -> doesn't stick to infantry. 32db Mad Bomber.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1376	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:07:00 - [37] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: There is a post buy a dev somewhere about the RE sticking to lavs/tanks etc is a unintended flaw in the programming how is it a flaw when it was done on purpose? also jihad jeeps are a sympton, do not hate the symptom, hate the disease aka tanks. beside that, jihad jeeps are easily countered by awareness, in short all the tank scrubs should just get gud and stfu. What does this have to do with anything at all? God damn! You really can't help yourself, can you! Only one person in this thread has claimed that REs are too powerful or whatever. At no point did I complain about them - if you could READ you'd know that I EXPLICITLY stated that I LIKED the mechanic and it should be KEPT. Its funny these re-tards will hate on tankers even when you agree with them. i'm a tanker and I support the keeping of jihad jeeps and buffing proxy REs or atleast removing the beep that gives them away. I know, right? You just can't win. Got a nice thread brewing at the moment; people like this make me want to keep it to myself; feel like there's a lot of discussion to be had. And yeah. Either remove the beep from proxes, or buff the living sh*t out of their damage, cos I mean really. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1361	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:12:00 - [38] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I know, right? You just can't win. Got a nice thread brewing at the moment; people like this make me want to keep it to myself; feel like there's a lot of discussion to be had. And yeah. Either remove the beep from proxes, or buff the living sht out of their damage, cos I mean really. Or buff activation range so that the beep is little more than the Prox saying "Hi, you're *****". Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 246	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:14:00 - [39] - Quote If tankers can exploit militia gear to take control of the battlefield, honest infantry should be able to pack a car full of C4 and take it back. REs should remain sticky and be able to stick to anything. Red vehicles more so than anything, but even sticking them on friendly things not only makes sense but is completely valid. To hell with tanker QQ. You want jihad jeeps gone? Get out of your tin can and pick up a rifle, soldier! Down with tank spam! "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1361	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:18:00 - [40] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: the only thing they should change about R.E's is they should no longer become possesed and float above objective control panels. That is one of my favorite things about 1.7 REs. That and the dumb red ******* who don't look up. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Lucifalic Nos Nothi 238	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:20:00 - [41] - Quote Here here
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 33	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:20:00 - [42] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: boba's fetta wrote: the only thing they should change about R.E's is they should no longer become possesed and float above objective control panels. That is one of my favorite things about 1.7 REs. That and the dumb red ***** who don't look up. If you stick 'em To your LAV, then recall that LAV, they stay in midair Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :) Subsonic.**
Lorhak Gannarsein 1379	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:20:00 - [43] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: If tankers can exploit militia gear to take control of the battlefield, honest infantry should be able to pack a car full of C4 and take it back. REs should remain sticky and be able to stick to anything. Red vehicles more so than anything, but even sticking them on friendly things not only makes sense but is completely valid. To hell with tanker QQ. You want jihad jeeps gone? Get out of your tin can and pick up a rifle, soldier! Down with tank spam! If I'm having issues getting you with my rail, my HMG sets of your remotes quite nicely Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 249	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:24:00 - [44] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: If tankers can exploit militia gear to take control of the battlefield, honest infantry should be able to pack a car full of C4 and take it back. REs should remain sticky and be able to stick to anything. Red vehicles more so than anything, but even sticking them on friendly things not only makes sense but is completely valid. To hell with tanker QQ. You want jihad jeeps gone? Get out of your tin can and pick up a rifle, soldier! Down with tank spam! If I'm having issues getting you with my rail, my HMG sets of your remotes quite nicely Had a tanker try this yesterday. He decided to use his tank as cover, so I shoved him against it and got the kill all the same. And even if he had backed away from his tank, if my remotes are near to him, I can hop out and detonate. And then I get a free tank. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 291	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:27:00 - [45] - Quote There's always someone who thinks they can change the game by starting fake "devs said" rumors. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4254	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:50:00 - [46] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: There is a post buy a dev somewhere about the RE sticking to lavs/tanks etc is a unintended flaw in the programming how is it a flaw when it was done on purpose? also jihad jeeps are a sympton, do not hate the symptom, hate the disease aka tanks. beside that, jihad jeeps are easily countered by awareness, in short all the tank scrubs should just get gud and stfu. What does this have to do with anything at all? God damn! You really can't help yourself, can you! Only one person in this thread has claimed that REs are too powerful or whatever. At no point did I complain about them - if you could READ you'd know that I EXPLICITLY stated that I LIKED the mechanic and it should be KEPT. Its funny these re-tards will hate on tankers even when you agree with them. i'm a tanker and I support the keeping of jihad jeeps and buffing proxy REs or atleast removing the beep that gives them away. I know, right? You just can't win. Got a nice thread brewing at the moment; people like this make me want to keep it to myself; feel like there's a lot of discussion to be had. And yeah. Either remove the beep from proxes, or buff the living sht out of their damage, cos I mean really. Always confused me, why make such a weak AV mine then smack it with a hard counter? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja* Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES 435	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:52:00 - [47] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: There is a post buy a dev somewhere about the RE sticking to lavs/tanks etc is a unintended flaw in the programming A FLAW!?!?!? REs have been the best non-tank AV in all of 1.7! With or without the LAV to stick them to! God I hope this is BS. This // Support Logi / Logi Bro // Forge Gunner // @KazeEyrou
Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:13:00 - [48] - Quote I wouldn't be surprised if CCP eliminated the possibility of making a Jihad LAV. They obviously won't be happy until tanks are utterly invincible. Oh, wait, they ARE already totally invincible!
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion 1275	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:23:00 - [49] - Quote Eberk Baldek wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if CCP eliminated the possibility of making a Jihad LAV. They obviously won't be happy until tanks are utterly invincible. Oh, wait, they ARE already totally invincible! They are only invincible if you are terrible, I kill tanks on foot, in the air and with other tanks, I guess it takes a tanker to kill a tanker, regardless of the tools.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1385	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:34:00 - [50] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Eberk Baldek wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if CCP eliminated the possibility of making a Jihad LAV. They obviously won't be happy until tanks are utterly invincible. Oh, wait, they ARE already totally invincible! They are only invincible if you are terrible, I kill tanks on foot, in the air and with other tanks, I guess it takes a tanker to kill a tanker, regardless of the tools. I was watching someone use proxes to devastating effect the other day. Forge guns still work a treat, and clearly REs are effective. Basically, I agree entirely. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!

Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 283	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:44:00 - [51] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: They are only invincible if you are terrible, I kill tanks on foot, in the air and with other tanks, I guess it takes a tanker to kill a tanker, regardless of the tools. Considering how hard tanks are stomping over infantry in most games (Just my observation here, but really hard) something has to give. It really doesn't matter if a few of us can handle tanks if they are running roughshod over 95% of the player base. It can't go on like this and we all know it. Regarding the jihad jeeps... I have mixed feelings about them. On one hand, its great to see gameplay like this happen. Its very sanbox-esque. CCP gave us the tools and we figured out clever things to do with them, love it. Its also rather difficult if the enemy team is in the least bit competent, infantry or the tanker itself can blow you sky high if they see you. That said, it scales poorly. The same tactic can take out crap fit militia tanks the same as the best brick tanked tanks. I dunno, i feel like its perfect on the low to mid range of tanks, but a bit too powerful on the high end tanks. More than anything though I would hate to lose this as a tactic. It adds to the game, and we would be worse off if was removed. We should be talking about balancing it, rather than removing it. Also CCP, make them stick to infantry. Doooo eeeet EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 303	Posted - 2014.01.28 22:46:00 - [52] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: There is a post buy a dev somewhere about the RE sticking to lavs/tanks etc is a unintended flaw in the programming message from Godin Thank ******* god
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 651	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:01:00 - [53] - Quote As an MD user without sidearm, I live and die by REs. Even more so in 1.8, but I'll be skilling into Amarr Logi if respec happens.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3289	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:11:00 - [54] - Quote DONT YOU DARE TOUCH MY FREAKING REMOTE EXPLOSIVES CCP!!!!!! Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 198	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:15:00 - [55] - Quote If this is true and they do change it then Dust will become a whole lot more boring to play. If anything they should give vehicles a much higher scan profile so they can be seen easily. There's no way a 3 Tonne tank can avoid a drop-suits sensors.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 852	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:15:00 - [56] - Quote ccp definitions intended mechanic = put it in working or not with or without telling us and then balance it later unintended mechanic = oh...whats this think working almost perfectly balanced with our game.. why didn't we think of this....oh well lets remove it because it makes us look bad when accidental mechanics work better than the intentional ones https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Lorhak Gannarsein 1400	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:24:00 - [57] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: They are only invincible if you are terrible, I kill tanks on foot, in the air and with other tanks, I guess it takes a tanker to kill a tanker, regardless of the tools. Considering how hard tanks are stomping over infantry in most games (Just my observation here, but really hard) something has to give. It really doesn't matter if a few of us can handle tanks if they are running roughshod over 95% of the player base. It can't go on like this and we all know it. Regarding the jihad jeeps... I have mixed feelings about them. On one hand, its great to see gameplay like this happen. Its very sanbox-esque. CCP gave us the tools and we figured out clever things to do with them, love it. Its also rather difficult if the enemy team is in the least bit competent, infantry or the tanker itself can blow you sky high if they see you. That said, it scales poorly. The same tactic can take out crap fit militia tanks the same as the best brick tanked tanks. I dunno, i feel like its perfect on the low to mid range of tanks, but a bit too powerful on the high end tanks. More than anything though I would hate to lose this as a tactic. It adds to the game, and we would be worse off if was removed. We should be talking about balancing it, rather than removing it. Also CCP, make them stick to infantry. Doooo eeeet It has the same effectiveness against a high-end tank, true, but a competent tanker shouldn't be caught out by it. Generally speaking, I cost the guy a few clones before he gets me; it's rare when I'm killed on the first couple of tries, and when that happens anything would have done the trick, so long as I was caught by surprise. It does irritate me when I get a hit on the LAV with my railgun but nothing explodes, though. Akdhar Saif wrote: If this is true and they do change it then Dust will become a whole lot more boring to play. If anything they should give vehicles a much higher scan profile so they can be seen easily. There's no way a 3 Tonne tank can avoid a drop-suits sensors. They don't ignore them. Your ten metre radius is smaller than you think. I hear HAVs have a scan precision of about 150db; couldn't tell you where I heard that, though, only that it was somewhere on the forums. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1700	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:27:00 - [58] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: There is a post buy a dev somewhere about the RE sticking to lavs/tanks etc is a unintended flaw in the programming LOL yeah right I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2738	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:29:00 - [59] - Quote I had someone detonate an RE on me AFTER I killed him. Maybe they nerfed that ability? Shield Recommendations
Rusty Shallows 922	Posted - 2014.01.28 23:34:00 - [60] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: ccp definitions intended mechanic = put it in working or not with or without telling us and then balance it later unintended mechanic = oh...whats this think working almost perfectly balanced with our game.. why didn't we think of this....oh well lets remove it because it makes us look bad when accidental mechanics work better than the intentional ones Read my mind. CCP really doesn't need the reputation of consistently breaking things they intentionally fix while fixing the game with unintended glitches. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game



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