DUST Search - FW - bounty for fighting for a conssistantly losing side

True Adamance wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

something needs to be done

Not really.

FW is about loyalty. If you aren't willing to fight for your faction and catapult it to dominance then you don't deserve to get benefits of doing jack all.

your missing the point. what if you are fighting your hardest and getting nowhere and never getting paid. why would you continue. remember we are mercs. its the whole bases of the game yet what you suggest is for us to be soldiers for 1 side and live with it. when/if proper pc comes out you will be fighting for eve players and if they want that planet they are going to hire the best and pay over the odds for it. it stands to reason the factions would do the same.

you don't get the best mercs by not paying them. you get the best by paying the best price. a price thats more than your enemies price. there needs to be an incentive to keep the scales of power moving in the factions and create more balanced combat overall and reward the hard working players

I think there need to be other ways that direct combat to earn LP.

EVE side we have mission running, PvE site running, and Complexes. Additionally based upon the EVE tier of FW our LP gains should be affected.

So Dust acts as a Modifier that is inherantly intertwined with EVE. As such on our star map it reflects district ownership, not system ownership (to my knowledge). Rather than this it should show system ownership with the capacity to zoom down into planet and district views.

As it stands Dust pay outs should hinge of over all Tier Level and system ownership.

Defensive matches pay out less LP, aka fighting in systems your faction owns.
Offensive matches pay out more, aka fighting in systems your faction does not own.
(as losing team attacks more....we have an indirect way to earn LP)

Tier Level then affects LP pay outs.

T1- %50 of standard LP pay outs
T2- Standard LP pay outs
T3- 150% LP pay outs
T4- 200% LP pay outs.

EVE LP systems trumps Dust LP system hands down.

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Aerius Corius FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 34	Posted - 2014.02.27 00:36:00 - [31] - Quote Heeman- 89 wrote: I like Aerius's idea here, but I also like Royal's point 3, just maybe not like that, I think if you are in the upper echelon of the losing faction you should get some + in the loyalty column, maybe not 75, maybe +10 or something small but still enough to recognize. His second point does just that - loyalty gain based on a fraction of what you'd get as the victor but only with excellence on the battlefield (which is tracked by wp currently). Losers still get LP - they just get a lot less than from winning, but it still helps offset the loss a little...just not enough to render the whole concept of risk/reward (and thus the battles) meaningless. That guy you killed with 0% shields? Yeah, I sniped him - go team. Oh, you didn't know...hmm. *CCP: Display Assists!!!
Heeman- 89 Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.02.28 04:46:00 - [32] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Holy....CVA has a Dust Arm?! Pretty sure it's just me, but I try my best! Dust Bittervet since August 2012... EVE Bittervet since way before that...
Heeman- 89 Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:11:00 - [33] - Quote Aerius Corius wrote: Heeman- 89 wrote: I like Aerius's idea here, but I also like Royal's point 3, just maybe not like that, I think if you are in the upper echelon of the losing faction you should get some + in the loyalty column, maybe not 75, maybe +10 or something small but still enough to recognize. His second point does just that - loyalty gain based on a fraction of what you'd get as the victor but only with excellence on the battlefield (which is tracked by wp currently). Losers still get LP - they just get a lot less than from winning, but it still helps offset the loss a little...just not enough to render the whole concept of risk/reward (and thus the battles) meaningless. agreed Dust Bittervet since August 2012... EVE Bittervet since way before that...
The-Errorist 521	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:43:00 - [34] - Quote +1
Oswald Rehnquist 1264	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:48:00 - [35] - Quote You'd think a more desperate faction would be willing to shell out a 2x or 3x multiplier for people who win on their side. Leaving a meta game of loyalits who stay on one side to get higher standing and mercs who chase the multipliers. Below 28 dB
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1150	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:00:00 - [36] - Quote bump I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1248	Posted - 2014.04.18 09:57:00 - [37] - Quote something needs to be done. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1544	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:46:00 - [38] - Quote something needs to be done All Hail Legion
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11398	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:32:00 - [39] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: something needs to be done Not really. FW is about loyalty. If you aren't willing to fight for your faction and catapult it to dominance then you don't deserve to get benefits of doing jack all. " We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1546	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:48:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: something needs to be done Not really. FW is about loyalty. If you aren't willing to fight for your faction and catapult it to dominance then you don't deserve to get benefits of doing jack all. your missing the point. what if you are fighting your hardest and getting nowhere and never getting paid. why would you continue. remember we are mercs. its the whole bases of the game yet what you suggest is for us to be soldiers for 1 side and live with it. when/if proper pc comes out you will be fighting for eve players and if they want that planet they are going to hire the best and pay over the odds for it. it stands to reason the factions would do the same. you don't get the best mercs by not paying them. you get the best by paying the best price. a price thats more than your enemies price. there needs to be an incentive to keep the scales of power moving in the factions and create more balanced combat overall and reward the hard working players All Hail Legion

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11431	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:03:00 - [41] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: True Adamance wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: something needs to be done Not really. FW is about loyalty. If you aren't willing to fight for your faction and catapult it to dominance then you don't deserve to get benefits of doing jack all. your missing the point. what if you are fighting your hardest and getting nowhere and never getting paid. why would you continue. remember we are mercs. its the whole bases of the game yet what you suggest is for us to be soldiers for 1 side and live with it. when/if proper pc comes out you will be fighting for eve players and if they want that planet they are going to hire the best and pay over the odds for it. it stands to reason the factions would do the same. you don't get the best mercs by not paying them. you get the best by paying the best price. a price thats more than your enemies price. there needs to be an incentive to keep the scales of power moving in the factions and create more balanced combat overall and reward the hard working players I think there need to be other ways that direct combat to earn LP. EVE side we have mission running, PvE site running, and Complexes. Additionally based upon the EVE tier of FW our LP gains should be affected. So Dust acts as a Modifier that is inherantly intertwined with EVE. As such on our star map it reflects district ownership, not system ownership (to my knowledge). Rather than this it should show system ownership with the capacity to zoom down into planet and district views. As it stands Dust pay outs should hinge of over all Tier Level and system ownership. Defensive matches pay out less LP, aka fighting in systems your faction owns. Offensive matches pay out more, aka fighting in systems your faction does not own. (as losing team attacks more....we have an indirect way to earn LP) Tier Level then affects LP pay outs. T1- %50 of standard LP pay outs T2- Standard LP pay outs T3- 150% LP pay outs T4- 200% LP pay outs. EVE LP systems trumps Dust LP system hands down. " We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3908	Posted - 2014.07.01 06:16:00 - [42] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: True Adamance wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: something needs to be done Not really. FW is about loyalty. If you aren't willing to fight for your faction and catapult it to dominance then you don't deserve to get benefits of doing jack all. your missing the point. what if you are fighting your hardest and getting nowhere and never getting paid. why would you continue. remember we are mercs. its the whole bases of the game yet what you suggest is for us to be soldiers for 1 side and live with it. when/if proper pc comes out you will be fighting for eve players and if they want that planet they are going to hire the best and pay over the odds for it. it stands to reason the factions would do the same. you don't get the best mercs by not paying them. you get the best by paying the best price. a price thats more than your enemies price. there needs to be an incentive to keep the scales of power moving in the factions and create more balanced combat overall and reward the hard working players I think there need to be other ways that direct combat to earn LP. EVE side we have mission running, PvE site running, and Complexes. Additionally based upon the EVE tier of FW our LP gains should be affected. So Dust acts as a Modifier that is inherantly intertwined with EVE. As such on our star map it reflects district ownership, not system ownership (to my knowledge). Rather than this it should show system ownership with the capacity to zoom down into planet and district views. As it stands Dust pay outs should hinge of over all Tier Level and system ownership. Defensive matches pay out less LP, aka fighting in systems your faction owns. Offensive matches pay out more, aka fighting in systems your faction does not own. (as losing team attacks more....we have an indirect way to earn LP) Tier Level then affects LP pay outs. T1- %50 of standard LP pay outs T2- Standard LP pay outs T3- 150% LP pay outs T4- 200% LP pay outs. EVE LP systems trumps Dust LP system hands down. Okay, this is good. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!


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