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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1361	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:45:00 - [1] - Quote The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 982	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:47:00 - [3] - Quote I thought this was going to be about tanks. Huh. >Tallen Ellecon wrote: >They didn't hurt all Logis, just the support ones.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3930	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:48:00 - [4] - Quote Pot meet Kettle. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2536	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:50:00 - [5] - Quote Ask me how I feel about heavy Thales. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 163	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote I am sorry but I am a tanker on this account myself. If you are not paying enough attention to blast that enemy LAV driving towards you then that is your tough luck and perfectly valid. The fact that it costs the enemy little to no isk is a side issue totally. Honestly I kill more of these guys than those that kill me with this tactic. I would say something like for every 5-10 Jihad Jeeps I kill, 1 gets through or manages to surprise me. (You can always tell if the LAV was stacked with explosives because you get the +5`s from equipment destruction.)
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3166	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:00:00 - [7] - Quote No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1361	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:04:00 - [8] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... You also have a billion ISK... Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4128	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:05:00 - [9] - Quote So much Hypocrisy here.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1361	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:06:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2612	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:08:00 - [11] - Quote Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:09:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: So much Hypocrisy here. Huh you don't know my views on everything else then, let me enlighten you. My personal opinion is to fix railguns, jihad jeeps, militia tanks, buff AV make the plasma cannon viable and double perhaps even triple tank prices. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 60	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:12:00 - [13] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... I totally disagree. Sure, there are a few rounds where you go 20-0 but most are about engaging other tanks so your troops can secure objectives. You can easily lose a million ISK in a round tanking. This never happens as an infantry. Skill Point payouts tend to be less too. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:12:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. If only I could run into you with my starter fit while you in full proto instantly and insta kill you. Just because I want a fix to jihad jeeps doesn't mean I don't want a buff to AV and/or a price increase to tanks to be attached to that. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 414	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:12:00 - [15] - Quote No risk high reward is the backbone of Dust, like every FOTM has been in the past. What were murder taxis? Tac AR? Flaylock? Thanks CCP Foxfour
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:13:00 - [16] - Quote TunRa wrote: No risk high reward is the backbone of Dust, like every FOTM has been in the past. What were murder taxis? Tac AR? Flaylock? That doesn't make it right. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2613	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:14:00 - [17] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: So much Hypocrisy here. Huh you don't know my views on everything else then, let me enlighten you. My personal opinion is to fix railguns, jihad jeeps, militia tanks, buff AV make the plasma cannon viable and double perhaps even triple tank prices. If those are your feelings then why hate the jihad jeep? What if I use one instead of the swarms and AV nades that I've invested over 2 million SP in that is similar to a nat fart? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3167	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:17:00 - [18] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Seigfried Warheit 163	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:18:00 - [19] - Quote What about the players that are invested into RES and dont have a BPO LAV?...Its logical to switch into a Starter Fit before to save some isk...well for players like me who dont have a isk printing machine. Also its pretty easy to shoot them before they reach you cause the only viable area of the tank is the front and sides...the back is used like a ramp if you try to ram into that. If your having issues with them get better as a tanker and watch your surroundings instead of just trying to murder everything you see without thought cause you think your are safe in a tank.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:19:00 - [20] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep Militia tanks are broken and should be soloed by PROTO AV and cost a hell of a lot more I'M not even arguing against you. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1

Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 109	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:20:00 - [21] - Quote Those mad bombers have adapted to the current version of the game, where the only effective AV is of course, unintended. I think it's hilarious.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 456	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:20:00 - [22] - Quote 1] Hide like a dirtbag in tanks and spam em 2] Jihad em so they stop blasting infantry Need I say more? Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 254	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:21:00 - [23] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Ask me how I feel about heavy Thales. How do you feel about heavy Thales? Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:23:00 - [24] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: What about the players that are invested into RES and dont have a BPO LAV?...Its logical to switch into a Starter Fit before to save some isk...well for players like me who dont have a isk printing machine. Also its pretty easy to shoot them before they reach you cause the only viable area of the tank is the front and sides...the back is used like a ramp if you try to ram into that. If your having issues with them get better as a tanker and watch your surroundings instead of just trying to murder everything you see without thought cause you think your are safe in a tank. I hardly use the easy mode blaster I hit people once with a rail a FK'ing railgun verses jeep and they survive the shot WTF I kill basically all with blaster but I like skill weapons so I use rail and missiles that can't turn fast enough to kill you. I have 47 million sp how from saving ISK and grinding try it some time. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3167	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:26:00 - [25] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep Militia tanks are broken and should be soloed by PROTO AV and cost a hell of a lot more I'M not even arguing against you. Well than in that case, carry on o7 Sorry Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Seigfried Warheit 164	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:32:00 - [26] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Seigfried Warheit wrote: What about the players that are invested into RES and dont have a BPO LAV?...Its logical to switch into a Starter Fit before to save some isk...well for players like me who dont have a isk printing machine. Also its pretty easy to shoot them before they reach you cause the only viable area of the tank is the front and sides...the back is used like a ramp if you try to ram into that. If your having issues with them get better as a tanker and watch your surroundings instead of just trying to murder everything you see without thought cause you think your are safe in a tank. I hardly use the easy mode blaster I hit people once with a rail a FK'ing railgun verses jeep and they survive the shot WTF I kill basically all with blaster but I like skill weapons so I use rail and missiles that can't turn fast enough to kill you. I have 47 million sp how from saving ISK and grinding try it some time. I never said blasters...I have been stopped by tankers that use rail and missiles cause they saw me coming ahead of time or their squad mates told them I was coming..(I mailed some asking how they knew I was coming)..... Im assuming you mean isk not sp....what do you think Im doing when I switch to the Starter Fit? SAVING ISK..so I am trying it
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 252	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:33:00 - [27] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. For the most part, jihad jeeps are for those who don't have av. Its the only thing I can do. Most of us don't have bpos. It costs me roughly 30k a jeep, and is far from fool proof. K have burned through 2-3 of these fits against tankers before getting a kill, sometimes more. It takes a rail tank 2 shots to kill me, a blaster can kill me in about 5 seconds, infantry can kill me by getting lucky and shooting my remotes. As all the bank scrubs and proto stompers tell me. Htfu get gud noon. But no seriously, just try it, its not free and its not easy. You find me another militia or standard fit that can reliably kill a tank I'll do it, took then leave me and my 30k jeep alone. And there are plenty of tanks that can absorb a jihad jeep. 3 remotes is a crap shoot, only militia scrub tanks get blown by one easily. Standard tanks take at least 4, sometimes 5 or 6 remotes, which requires team work. And if they see you coming and pop hardeners, well I'm going boom for no noticeable effect. Proto Stompers Information Tap (x°x) tap
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 700	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:14:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. A bpo fit can kill a 200+K suit, so what's your proposed fix for that? CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 60	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:29:00 - [29] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep All I hear is blah blah blah..... Cheapest usable Sica will run you about 80k and I guarantee they will mot be in the TOP 5 unless the other team sucks. Then you would be running solo in your 200k suit and dying anyways. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4017	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:34:00 - [30] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. D': BUAAAAAAAAAH i cant tank spam Jihad jeeps STAY. In any case, Explosives need a buff ;) (BTW there is not risk,because its 100% certain , even if you succeed or not, that you will have 1 more death that affects your K-D ratio...you know, the thing that tankers DONT RISK....) GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.



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