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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1361	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:45:00 - [1] - Quote The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 982	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:47:00 - [3] - Quote I thought this was going to be about tanks. Huh. >Tallen Ellecon wrote: >They didn't hurt all Logis, just the support ones.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3930	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:48:00 - [4] - Quote Pot meet Kettle. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2536	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:50:00 - [5] - Quote Ask me how I feel about heavy Thales. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 163	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote I am sorry but I am a tanker on this account myself. If you are not paying enough attention to blast that enemy LAV driving towards you then that is your tough luck and perfectly valid. The fact that it costs the enemy little to no isk is a side issue totally. Honestly I kill more of these guys than those that kill me with this tactic. I would say something like for every 5-10 Jihad Jeeps I kill, 1 gets through or manages to surprise me. (You can always tell if the LAV was stacked with explosives because you get the +5`s from equipment destruction.)
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3166	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:00:00 - [7] - Quote No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1361	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:04:00 - [8] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... You also have a billion ISK... Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4128	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:05:00 - [9] - Quote So much Hypocrisy here.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1361	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:06:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2612	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:08:00 - [11] - Quote Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:09:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: So much Hypocrisy here. Huh you don't know my views on everything else then, let me enlighten you. My personal opinion is to fix railguns, jihad jeeps, militia tanks, buff AV make the plasma cannon viable and double perhaps even triple tank prices. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 60	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:12:00 - [13] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... I totally disagree. Sure, there are a few rounds where you go 20-0 but most are about engaging other tanks so your troops can secure objectives. You can easily lose a million ISK in a round tanking. This never happens as an infantry. Skill Point payouts tend to be less too. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:12:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. If only I could run into you with my starter fit while you in full proto instantly and insta kill you. Just because I want a fix to jihad jeeps doesn't mean I don't want a buff to AV and/or a price increase to tanks to be attached to that. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 414	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:12:00 - [15] - Quote No risk high reward is the backbone of Dust, like every FOTM has been in the past. What were murder taxis? Tac AR? Flaylock? Thanks CCP Foxfour
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:13:00 - [16] - Quote TunRa wrote: No risk high reward is the backbone of Dust, like every FOTM has been in the past. What were murder taxis? Tac AR? Flaylock? That doesn't make it right. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2613	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:14:00 - [17] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: So much Hypocrisy here. Huh you don't know my views on everything else then, let me enlighten you. My personal opinion is to fix railguns, jihad jeeps, militia tanks, buff AV make the plasma cannon viable and double perhaps even triple tank prices. If those are your feelings then why hate the jihad jeep? What if I use one instead of the swarms and AV nades that I've invested over 2 million SP in that is similar to a nat fart? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3167	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:17:00 - [18] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Seigfried Warheit 163	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:18:00 - [19] - Quote What about the players that are invested into RES and dont have a BPO LAV?...Its logical to switch into a Starter Fit before to save some isk...well for players like me who dont have a isk printing machine. Also its pretty easy to shoot them before they reach you cause the only viable area of the tank is the front and sides...the back is used like a ramp if you try to ram into that. If your having issues with them get better as a tanker and watch your surroundings instead of just trying to murder everything you see without thought cause you think your are safe in a tank.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:19:00 - [20] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep Militia tanks are broken and should be soloed by PROTO AV and cost a hell of a lot more I'M not even arguing against you. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1

Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 109	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:20:00 - [21] - Quote Those mad bombers have adapted to the current version of the game, where the only effective AV is of course, unintended. I think it's hilarious.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 456	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:20:00 - [22] - Quote 1] Hide like a dirtbag in tanks and spam em 2] Jihad em so they stop blasting infantry Need I say more? Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 254	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:21:00 - [23] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Ask me how I feel about heavy Thales. How do you feel about heavy Thales? Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:23:00 - [24] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: What about the players that are invested into RES and dont have a BPO LAV?...Its logical to switch into a Starter Fit before to save some isk...well for players like me who dont have a isk printing machine. Also its pretty easy to shoot them before they reach you cause the only viable area of the tank is the front and sides...the back is used like a ramp if you try to ram into that. If your having issues with them get better as a tanker and watch your surroundings instead of just trying to murder everything you see without thought cause you think your are safe in a tank. I hardly use the easy mode blaster I hit people once with a rail a FK'ing railgun verses jeep and they survive the shot WTF I kill basically all with blaster but I like skill weapons so I use rail and missiles that can't turn fast enough to kill you. I have 47 million sp how from saving ISK and grinding try it some time. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3167	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:26:00 - [25] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep Militia tanks are broken and should be soloed by PROTO AV and cost a hell of a lot more I'M not even arguing against you. Well than in that case, carry on o7 Sorry Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Seigfried Warheit 164	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:32:00 - [26] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Seigfried Warheit wrote: What about the players that are invested into RES and dont have a BPO LAV?...Its logical to switch into a Starter Fit before to save some isk...well for players like me who dont have a isk printing machine. Also its pretty easy to shoot them before they reach you cause the only viable area of the tank is the front and sides...the back is used like a ramp if you try to ram into that. If your having issues with them get better as a tanker and watch your surroundings instead of just trying to murder everything you see without thought cause you think your are safe in a tank. I hardly use the easy mode blaster I hit people once with a rail a FK'ing railgun verses jeep and they survive the shot WTF I kill basically all with blaster but I like skill weapons so I use rail and missiles that can't turn fast enough to kill you. I have 47 million sp how from saving ISK and grinding try it some time. I never said blasters...I have been stopped by tankers that use rail and missiles cause they saw me coming ahead of time or their squad mates told them I was coming..(I mailed some asking how they knew I was coming)..... Im assuming you mean isk not sp....what do you think Im doing when I switch to the Starter Fit? SAVING ISK..so I am trying it
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 252	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:33:00 - [27] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. For the most part, jihad jeeps are for those who don't have av. Its the only thing I can do. Most of us don't have bpos. It costs me roughly 30k a jeep, and is far from fool proof. K have burned through 2-3 of these fits against tankers before getting a kill, sometimes more. It takes a rail tank 2 shots to kill me, a blaster can kill me in about 5 seconds, infantry can kill me by getting lucky and shooting my remotes. As all the bank scrubs and proto stompers tell me. Htfu get gud noon. But no seriously, just try it, its not free and its not easy. You find me another militia or standard fit that can reliably kill a tank I'll do it, took then leave me and my 30k jeep alone. And there are plenty of tanks that can absorb a jihad jeep. 3 remotes is a crap shoot, only militia scrub tanks get blown by one easily. Standard tanks take at least 4, sometimes 5 or 6 remotes, which requires team work. And if they see you coming and pop hardeners, well I'm going boom for no noticeable effect. Proto Stompers Information Tap (x°x) tap
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 700	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:14:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. A bpo fit can kill a 200+K suit, so what's your proposed fix for that? CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 60	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:29:00 - [29] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. It's my 200k suits that I keep losing to 50 k tanks. But when I blow one up, they come back with guess what? ANOTHER FREAKING TANK!!!! Ps. I use MLT jeeps to jihad jeep All I hear is blah blah blah..... Cheapest usable Sica will run you about 80k and I guarantee they will mot be in the TOP 5 unless the other team sucks. Then you would be running solo in your 200k suit and dying anyways. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4017	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:34:00 - [30] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. D': BUAAAAAAAAAH i cant tank spam Jihad jeeps STAY. In any case, Explosives need a buff ;) (BTW there is not risk,because its 100% certain , even if you succeed or not, that you will have 1 more death that affects your K-D ratio...you know, the thing that tankers DONT RISK....) GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 853	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:35:00 - [31] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:55:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. D': BUAAAAAAAAAH i cant tank spam Jihad jeeps STAY. In any case, Explosives need a buff ;) (BTW there is not risk,because its 100% certain , even if you succeed or not, that you will have 1 more death that affects your K-D ratio...you know, the thing that tankers DONT RISK....) Who cares about K/D Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:57:00 - [33] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. For the most part, jihad jeeps are for those who don't have av. Its the only thing I can do. Most of us don't have bpos. It costs me roughly 30k a jeep, and is far from fool proof. K have burned through 2-3 of these fits against tankers before getting a kill, sometimes more. It takes a rail tank 2 shots to kill me, a blaster can kill me in about 5 seconds, infantry can kill me by getting lucky and shooting my remotes. As all the bank scrubs and proto stompers tell me. Htfu get gud noon. But no seriously, just try it, its not free and its not easy. You find me another militia or standard fit that can reliably kill a tank I'll do it, took then leave me and my 30k jeep alone. And there are plenty of tanks that can absorb a jihad jeep. 3 remotes is a crap shoot, only militia scrub tanks get blown by one easily. Standard tanks take at least 4, sometimes 5 or 6 remotes, which requires team work. And if they see you coming and pop hardeners, well I'm going boom for no noticeable effect. I can get 12 remotes without team work. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:02:00 - [34] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4025	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:03:00 - [35] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Who cares about K/D Who cares about ISK....? GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:05:00 - [36] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. A bpo fit can kill a 200+K suit, so what's your proposed fix for that? that BPO suit can't run 3x faster than you and kill you on contact. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:05:00 - [37] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: 1] Hide like a dirtbag in tanks and spam em 2] Jihad em so they stop blasting infantry Need I say more? I don't blast infantry considering that would require a blaster. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:07:00 - [38] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Who cares about K/D Who cares about ISK....? I don't know I'm holding even bouncing between 45and50 mil but OP rail guns and jeeps keep me from breaking 50. Though it's an ISK based game very dependent on RISK and REWARD not everyone has reached the meta game of infinite ISK. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4025	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:08:00 - [39] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Who cares about K/D Who cares about ISK....? I don't know I'm holding even bouncing between 45and50 mil but OP rail guns and jeeps keep me from breaking 50. Well to my 204 EHP scout, your ''OP'' railguns and jeeps are what keep this game playable vs Blaster/Missile tanks...... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 54	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:08:00 - [40] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. I agreed, this game is EZ mode for tankers and they still complain, they can survive a jihad jeep with their hardeners on and they can cycle hardeners

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 462	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:09:00 - [41] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me. You should probably cry about it more. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:12:00 - [42] - Quote sira draco wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. I agreed, this game is EZ mode for tankers and they still complain, they can survive a jihad jeep with their hardeners on and they can cycle hardeners I jihad jeeped Sprk4forthedeads tank after he did it to me killed him with a hard running even dual hards has a 14.5 sec window which doesn't matter since you can get him with one hard on. Jihad jeeps are more easy mode than tanks therefore tank are not EZ mode. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:14:00 - [43] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me. You should probably cry about it more. I'm to busy collecting buckets for the infantry crying how OP tanks are even though you can kill them instaneously Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
CELTIC TARON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 18	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:17:00 - [44] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: So much Hypocrisy here. Huh you don't know my views on everything else then, let me enlighten you. My personal opinion is to fix railguns, jihad jeeps, militia tanks, buff AV make the plasma cannon viable and double perhaps even triple tank prices. If those are your feelings then why hate the jihad jeep? What if I use one instead of the swarms and AV nades that I've invested over 2 million SP in that is similar to a gnat fart? Well don't worry about it, it's been said it is being changed so people can't use this tactic any longer in 1.8 as it was an "unintentional side effect". Personally I believe (even as a tanker myself) that it is a legit tactic HOWEVER they would need to find a way to tone it down and stop the 0 isk kills to tanks. Toning it down I don't mean just isk but the fact that it breaks the cardinal rule of any FPS, and that is dead before you have time to react. CCP follows this tride and true method granted the TTK may be very low but you still have a split second or two, to react where as a jeep smashing into a tank it's poof dead zero time to react. That is what the roar is about from tanks currently. Again the tactic is sound just needs some adjusting if it is kept I think it would be a perfectly legit method of AV pending it takes say two fully loaded jeeps to kill a tank would be suitable. Well that and do something about the no isk thing like perhaps if you change suits your RE's disappear or something like that. PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:21:00 - [45] - Quote CELTIC TARON wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: So much Hypocrisy here. Huh you don't know my views on everything else then, let me enlighten you. My personal opinion is to fix railguns, jihad jeeps, militia tanks, buff AV make the plasma cannon viable and double perhaps even triple tank prices. If those are your feelings then why hate the jihad jeep? What if I use one instead of the swarms and AV nades that I've invested over 2 million SP in that is similar to a gnat fart? Well don't worry about it, it's been said it is being changed so people can't use this tactic any longer in 1.8 as it was an "unintentional side effect". Personally I believe (even as a tanker myself) that it is a legit tactic HOWEVER they would need to find a way to tone it down and stop the 0 isk kills to tanks. Toning it down I don't mean just isk but the fact that it breaks the cardinal rule of any FPS, and that is dead before you have time to react. CCP follows this tride and true method granted the TTK may be very low but you still have a split second or two, to react where as a jeep smashing into a tank it's poof dead zero time to react. That is what the roar is about from tanks currently. Again the tactic is sound just needs some adjusting if it is kept I think it would be a perfectly legit method of AV pending it takes say two fully loaded jeeps to kill a tank would be suitable. Well that and do something about the no isk thing like perhaps if you change suits your RE's disappear or something like that. I couldn't have said it better my self tactic is perfectly fine just need some tweaking so it isn't as powerful, can you link fix I haven't heard anyone else say they were fixing in 1.8 Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 64	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:24:00 - [46] - Quote When there are 6 tanks on the field or a tanker going 25-0 in his tank I will Jihaad the **** out of them. Tank spam has to be put in check. And for the record for every 2 tanks I suicide bomb at least one of them gets a lucky shot and sets of my explosives early. I use proxies, forge guns, and whatever else I feel fit to take down a tank. The mistake is thinking you're untouchable. I'll find a a way to crack that shell and feed those gooey innards to the infantry. Next to supply depo I will switch out my suit and yes spend absolutely 0 ISK destroying your tank! Sleep tight. Edit: As for the suit change. A BPO Sever suit has 3 equipment slots. 3 different RE slots. I guess I can justify the loss of the explosives cost. We can pickle that.
CELTIC TARON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:27:00 - [47] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: When there are 6 tanks on the field or a tanker going 25-0 in his tank I will Jihaad the **** out of them. Tank spam has to be put in check. And for the record for every 2 tanks I suicide bomb at least one of them gets a lucky shot and sets of my explosives early. I use proxies, forge guns, and whatever else I feel fit to take down a tank. The mistake is thinking you're untouchable. I'll find a a way to crack that shell and feed those gooey innards to the infantry. Next to supply depo I will switch out my suit and yes spend absolutely 0 ISK destroying your tank! Sleep tight. LOL beaver go for it I'll just have to grab my almost 7k shield tank just for you then :p So when you go smashy into me and die I can retreat and switch tanks lol. You have the right line of thinking though people just don't want to adapt. The old saying is true adapt or die. A great example of this is people using swarms on a shield tank. Don't even waste your time all you will get from me is a "oh how cute a swarm launcher" lol. Forge is for Shields, Swarms are for Armor, etc etc and lets not forget about AV nades including flux grenades which not nearly enough people are smart enough to actually use. PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:28:00 - [48] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: When there are 6 tanks on the field or a tanker going 25-0 in his tank I will Jihaad the **** out of them. Tank spam has to be put in check. And for the record for every 2 tanks I suicide bomb at least one of them gets a lucky shot and sets of my explosives early. I use proxies, forge guns, and whatever else I feel fit to take down a tank. The mistake is thinking you're untouchable. I'll find a a way to crack that shell and feed those gooey innards to the infantry. Next to supply depo I will switch out my suit and yes spend absolutely 0 ISK destroying your tank! Sleep tight. Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:30:00 - [49] - Quote CELTIC TARON wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: When there are 6 tanks on the field or a tanker going 25-0 in his tank I will Jihaad the **** out of them. Tank spam has to be put in check. And for the record for every 2 tanks I suicide bomb at least one of them gets a lucky shot and sets of my explosives early. I use proxies, forge guns, and whatever else I feel fit to take down a tank. The mistake is thinking you're untouchable. I'll find a a way to crack that shell and feed those gooey innards to the infantry. Next to supply depo I will switch out my suit and yes spend absolutely 0 ISK destroying your tank! Sleep tight. LOL beaver go for it I'll just have to grab my almost 7k shield tank just for you then :p So when you go smashy into me and die I can retreat and switch tanks lol. You have the right line of thinking though people just don't want to adapt. The old saying is true adapt or die. A great example of this is people using swarms on a shield tank. Don't even waste your time all you will get from me is a "oh how cute a swarm launcher" lol. Forge is for Shields, Swarms are for Armor, etc etc and lets not forget about AV nades including flux grenades which not nearly enough people are smart enough to actually use. AV are so contradictory AV: HTFU and adapt to jihad jeeps Tank: slaps two complex hardners on. AV Dual hardeners op waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3943	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:30:00 - [50] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly. Perhaps you should start paying more attention to the ground when driving. That, and don't be so predictable. The trap can't go walk right in front of you; it's up to the pilot to spring it. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1365	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:34:00 - [51] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25-0 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly. Perhaps you should start paying more attention to the ground when driving. That, and don't be so predictable. The trap can't go walk right in front of you; it's up to the pilot to spring it. Oh I have no issue with proxies I just don't have time to look down when I am fleeing from a redline rail or something I admit better awareness would prevent those deaths but I just don't see a point of beeping if they detonate on pretty much on contact. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3943	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:35:00 - [52] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: AV are so contradictory AV: HTFU and adapt to jihad jeeps Tank: slaps two complex hardners on. AV Dual hardeners op waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Considering how I see pilots saying "HTFU and adapt" to people (lol implying that pilots ever adapted ); I consider people telling pilots that fair. You told them to adapt, and now they did. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3943	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:38:00 - [53] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25-0 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly. Perhaps you should start paying more attention to the ground when driving. That, and don't be so predictable. The trap can't go walk right in front of you; it's up to the pilot to spring it. Oh I have no issue with proxies I just don't have time to look down when I am fleeing from a redline rail or something I admit better awareness would prevent those deaths but I just don't see a point of beeping if they detonate on pretty much on contact. I'm going to assume that when you say "Detonate on contact" you mean that they detonate as soon as you enter the radius that produces the warnings. If a proximity didn't detonate "On Contact" then we there would be some serious problems. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1366	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:39:00 - [54] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: AV are so contradictory AV: HTFU and adapt to jihad jeeps Tank: slaps two complex hardners on. AV Dual hardeners op waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Considering how I see pilots saying "HTFU and adapt" to people (lol implying that pilots ever adapted ); I consider people telling pilots that fair. You told them to adapt, and now they did. and then I adapt and they btch I admit jeeps don't get me too often but they are annoying as fck. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1366	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:40:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25-0 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly. Perhaps you should start paying more attention to the ground when driving. That, and don't be so predictable. The trap can't go walk right in front of you; it's up to the pilot to spring it. Oh I have no issue with proxies I just don't have time to look down when I am fleeing from a redline rail or something I admit better awareness would prevent those deaths but I just don't see a point of beeping if they detonate on pretty much on contact. I'm going to assume that when you say "Detonate on contact" you mean that they detonate as soon as you enter the radius that produces the warnings. If a proximity didn't detonate "On Contact" then we there would be some serious problems. Just to get it across no issues with Proxies PERIOD Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3944	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:41:00 - [56] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Just to get it across no issues with Proxies PERIOD I know. I'm just messing around with ya. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1366	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:42:00 - [57] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Just to get it across no issues with Proxies PERIOD I know. I'm just messing around with ya. You can never be too sure. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3944	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:43:00 - [58] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: AV are so contradictory AV: HTFU and adapt to jihad jeeps Tank: slaps two complex hardners on. AV Dual hardeners op waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Considering how I see pilots saying "HTFU and adapt" to people (lol implying that pilots ever adapted ); I consider people telling pilots that fair. You told them to adapt, and now they did. and then I adapt and they btch I admit jeeps don't get me too often but they are annoying as fck. I personally believe that Jihad Jeeps are OP, but I don't feel too inclined to call for a nerf with the current state of vehicles. Even 1.6 Swarms weren't that powerful. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1366	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:47:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: AV are so contradictory AV: HTFU and adapt to jihad jeeps Tank: slaps two complex hardners on. AV Dual hardeners op waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Considering how I see pilots saying "HTFU and adapt" to people (lol implying that pilots ever adapted ); I consider people telling pilots that fair. You told them to adapt, and now they did. and then I adapt and they btch I admit jeeps don't get me too often but they are annoying as fck. I personally believe that Jihad Jeeps are OP, but I don't feel too inclined to call for a nerf with the current state of vehicles. Even 1.6 Swarms weren't that powerful. Honestly all I wanted was enough CPU/PG to fit the best plate, with, the best rep, and dual hards, with a heat sink, nitrus, and scanner. And yes obviously a third high to fit it. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1140	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:52:00 - [60] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:56:00 - [61] - Quote Invest in scanners. KThxBye. ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 466	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:13:00 - [62] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25-0 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly. Perhaps you should start paying more attention to the ground when driving. That, and don't be so predictable. The trap can't go walk right in front of you; it's up to the pilot to spring it. Oh I have no issue with proxies I just don't have time to look down when I am fleeing from a redline rail or something I admit better awareness would prevent those deaths but I just don't see a point of beeping if they detonate on pretty much on contact. They shouldn't beep at all. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2988	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:16:00 - [63] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. Yeah, and sometimes a proto heavy gets a Dren Shotgun to the back of the head. Welcome to New Eden. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2988	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:18:00 - [64] - Quote Bloody double post. No.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 641	Posted - 2014.01.26 07:36:00 - [65] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. I was referring to Mlt tanks. Also I wouldn't call the sica rails scrubs... They have simply adapted to tank514 GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1373	Posted - 2014.01.26 14:11:00 - [66] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: Invest in scanners. KThxBye. I shield tank. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 700	Posted - 2014.01.27 04:14:00 - [67] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. A bpo fit can kill a 200+K suit, so what's your proposed fix for that? that BPO suit can't run 3x faster than you and kill you on contact. But that's not the point of your thread. Your whole deal is about risk vs reward and how someone can risk nothing while being rewarded for it. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 464	Posted - 2014.01.27 04:22:00 - [68] - Quote Just the other day I took out three Jihad Jeeps that were trying to take out my Blaster Soma I was using to help a pack of infantry push an objective (as opposed to solo-raoming with it). The first one was coming at me from my left and I turned just in time to notice it and shot at it, causing the REs on the front to explode. The second one, I shot the REs on the front when he unintentionally Dukes of Hazard-ed through my line of fire while supressing some infantry. (That one had me near rolling). The third he tried to come at me from behind, but from his first attempt I was wary and heard his LAV circling around behind me, so I again shot it and took it out. Moral of the story: If you keep your situational awareness, they can be countered. If you're in the middle of a fight with another tank, yeah, it can be hard to keep your awareness up for LAVs when you're focusing on the enemy armor, but it's almost no different than some bastard with a rail ruining your honorable tank duel with enemy #1. Here you can type your bio.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1397	Posted - 2014.01.27 12:39:00 - [69] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Just the other day I took out three Jihad Jeeps that were trying to take out my Blaster Soma I was using to help a pack of infantry push an objective (as opposed to solo-raoming with it). The first one was coming at me from my left and I turned just in time to notice it and shot at it, causing the REs on the front to explode. The second one, I shot the REs on the front when he unintentionally Dukes of Hazard-ed through my line of fire while supressing some infantry. (That one had me near rolling). The third he tried to come at me from behind, but from his first attempt I was wary and heard his LAV circling around behind me, so I again shot it and took it out. Moral of the story: If you keep your situational awareness, they can be countered. If you're in the middle of a fight with another tank, yeah, it can be hard to keep your awareness up for LAVs when you're focusing on the enemy armor, but it's almost no different than some bastard with a rail ruining your honorable tank duel with enemy #1. I am aware I have squad members telling me when they drop and where they are but I tend to use a slow moving rail or missile your using an easy mode blaster which is as I said easy mode but I have to sink like 9 out of 12 missiles into them or two rails while you only have to land 3-4 of the fastest firing fastest rotation speed turret. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 525	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:10:00 - [70] - Quote RED FARM wrote: Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... I totally disagree. Sure, there are a few rounds where you go 20-0 but most are about engaging other tanks so your troops can secure objectives. You can easily lose a million ISK in a round tanking. This never happens as an infantry. Skill Point payouts tend to be less too. My proto scout fitting says you can easiliy burn 1 mill as infantry as well...

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 525	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:13:00 - [71] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: sira draco wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. I agreed, this game is EZ mode for tankers and they still complain, they can survive a jihad jeep with their hardeners on and they can cycle hardeners I jihad jeeped Sprk4forthedeads tank after he did it to me killed him with a hard running even dual hards has a 14.5 sec window which doesn't matter since you can get him with one hard on. Jihad jeeps are more easy mode than tanks therefore tank are not EZ mode. Any Infantrymen can make your Jihad jeep make boom not to speak from red Railturrets they are pretty deadly for LAVs as well as Tanks.
Aszazel Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 22	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:13:00 - [72] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. Hhahahahahhah heheheheeheheeh huff huff gasp, Buhhahahahaha, OMG, I can....can't breathe.... se....seri.....seriously. GULP, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. I am sorry. let me compose myself. F* YOU, wait wait, that was rude, let me try it again......... F* YOU. See right there, that isn't a proper response for the forums. What I mean good sir, it that tanks are insanely cheap (I can lose 3 of them and break even) low risk, you only have to worry about railgun installations and other tanks, infantry is a joke, jihad jeeps are a joke if you die from them you can't hit anything and have no situational awareness. And lastly, they are insanely dicky to play, well,,,,,,,,,,, how everyone plays them anyways, go around blow up all installations, then supply depots, then CRUs. Once you have mined the entire map of points or IF YOU LOSE YOUR TANK, most people just quit playing them. And then what do the rest of us have left as defenses, you blew up our installations, you blew up our supply depots to change fits, and I can't land anything cause we are outnumbered 4 to 0 tanks. Cause you all are greedy d*cks. So I drop in a LAV hopefully before someone blows it and try to level the playing field. Its not like my Ant-Armor fit is going to do anything.
Sentient Archon 1437	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:35:00 - [73] - Quote Sorry dude... You wont be getting much sympathy from the dust community here. In all the matches I have played more than 50% of them involved 4 or more red tanks on the field and more than 30% involved having 6 red tanks on the field. I played an ambush match last night at Manus Peak and 4 tanks got dropped in. Can you imagine how big a pole up your arse that is? Talk about no risk and huge reward being a tanker is where it is at now. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:43:00 - [74] - Quote Another no-fun OP who hates emergent gameplay. The only thing broken about this is the existence of BPO LAVs. I, for one, Jihad Jeep at ~40k. And, in contrast to intended AV, losing that money is the intended outcome of Jihad Jeeps. The tactic is balanced by the fact that it's a suicide attack. Once AV is rebuffed, it will be far less appealing, because a good AV player can actually kill multiple vehicles without using a full fit, a clone and an LAV.
Sgt Buttscratch 1410	Posted - 2014.01.27 13:46:00 - [75] - Quote this is great, tankers actually mad their 70k tank gets killed...... scrubs I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1402	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:39:00 - [76] - Quote Aszazel wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. Hhahahahahhah heheheheeheheeh huff huff gasp, Buhhahahahaha, OMG, I can....can't breathe.... se....seri.....seriously. GULP, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. I am sorry. let me compose myself. F* YOU, wait wait, that was rude, let me try it again......... F* YOU. See right there, that isn't a proper response for the forums. What I mean good sir, it that tanks are insanely cheap (I can lose 3 of them and break even) low risk, you only have to worry about railgun installations and other tanks, infantry is a joke, jihad jeeps are a joke if you die from them you can't hit anything and have no situational awareness. And lastly, they are insanely dicky to play, well,,,,,,,,,,, how everyone plays them anyways, go around blow up all installations, then supply depots, then CRUs. Once you have mined the entire map of points or IF YOU LOSE YOUR TANK, most people just quit playing them. And then what do the rest of us have left as defenses, you blew up our installations, you blew up our supply depots to change fits, and I can't land anything cause we are outnumbered 4 to 0 tanks. Cause you all are greedy d*cks. So I drop in a LAV hopefully before someone blows it and try to level the playing field. Its not like my Ant-Armor fit is going to do anything. You must be mad good to get 1,400,000+ a game Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1402	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:40:00 - [77] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: this is great, tankers actually mad their 70k tank gets killed...... scrubs But my tank isn't 70K ret*rd. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 702	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:53:00 - [78] - Quote You never did tell us what your proposed fix to BPO suits killing 200+K suits was. Support Orbital Spawns
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1402	Posted - 2014.01.27 20:56:00 - [79] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: You never did tell us what your proposed fix to BPO suits killing 200+K suits was. There broken as CCP has said "Not working as intended" not my job to fix everything. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 870	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:00:00 - [80] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me. Don't make a fool out of yourself. I have not used ANY LAV since beta. If someone sees holes in your argument it's surely because they stand to personally benefit in the nerf wars, right? So effing juvenile. I think your comments are very telling about what kinda guy you are and what your posts mean. When you pay to win and run OP sh!t you lose your right to 'git gud' anyone Back to the topic. In this game you have free starter fits that in theory should be good enough to take out proto suits if the person wearing one has good gun game. Jihad jeeps are the same way. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 519	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:04:00 - [81] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. I have zero sympathy for tankers. They literally ruin matches.in my opinion they have ruined the entire game. I know for me its true. Anything that kills tanks is great for the game. Why cater to a giy who will only fight if he has the upper hand? Jihad jeeps are righteous. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 149	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:09:00 - [82] - Quote So after everything that's come about in 1.7...some tankers still say tanks cost too much. Interesting...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1333	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:12:00 - [83] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. Keep them out of pubs and we'll stop blowing them up. Serves you right. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1430	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:46:00 - [84] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. Keep them out of pubs and we'll stop blowing them up. Serves you right. Tanks WTF I should keep my specialized role out of the pubs you sir are no longer allowed to run infantry in pubs. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1430	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:46:00 - [85] - Quote Taeryn Frost wrote: So after everything that's come about in 1.7...some tankers still say tanks cost too much. Interesting... Tanks cost too much if they can be instapopped by 0 ISK. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1430	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:48:00 - [86] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. I have zero sympathy for tankers. They literally ruin matches.in my opinion they have ruined the entire game. I know for me its true. Anything that kills tanks is great for the game. Why cater to a giy who will only fight if he has the upper hand? Jihad jeeps are righteous. I have 0 sympathy for Infantry as they were able to instapop us before and continue to be able to instapop us yet complain about how OP tanks are. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1430	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:51:00 - [87] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No risk high reward. MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter. See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me. Don't make a fool out of yourself. I have not used ANY LAV since beta. If someone sees holes in your argument it's surely because they stand to personally benefit in the nerf wars, right? So effing juvenile. I think your comments are very telling about what kinda guy you are and what your posts mean. When you pay to win and run OP sh!t you lose your right to 'git gud' anyone Back to the topic. In this game you have free starter fits that in theory should be good enough to take out proto suits if the person wearing one has good gun game. Jihad jeeps are the same way. I haven't spent a dime on this game it just seems that everyone else has. Starter fits are BPO's they have said BPO's not working as intended and they are nerfing TTK which causes you to die quickly anyway. How is there skill with the jihad jeep just ram a tank and instapop it where's the skill. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4166	Posted - 2014.01.29 13:05:00 - [88] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. Swarmers and Forge Gunners in 215k suits who were on a tower could also die to an enemy Forge Gunner, or a Sniper. See, Tower Camping wasn't no risk/high reward. It was actually high risk/medium reward. It was hard staying ISK-positive when you had scrubs with NT-511s thinking they were snipers or wannabe Forgers counter-forging you with DAUs. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1340	Posted - 2014.01.29 15:45:00 - [89] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. Keep them out of pubs and we'll stop blowing them up. Serves you right. Tanks WTF I should keep my specialized role out of the pubs you sir are no longer allowed to run infantry in pubs. I specialized as logi but standard gear still benefits from the skill bonuses so if I wear it in pubs cost isn't an issue. Do you really need a half mil ISK tank to be effective? If so you are terrible at specializing into something. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 159	Posted - 2014.01.29 16:23:00 - [90] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. Swarmers and Forge Gunners in 215k suits who were on a tower could also die to an enemy Forge Gunner, or a Sniper. See, Tower Camping wasn't no risk/high reward. It was actually high risk/medium reward. It was hard staying ISK-positive when you had scrubs with NT-511s thinking they were snipers or wannabe Forgers counter-forging you with DAUs. I know you're joking but that was broken to hell and back ten times over. Redline rails are just broken to hell. ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 61	Posted - 2014.01.29 16:27:00 - [91] - Quote OP, I totally feel you............. as my free LAV crashed into you, wiping out at least 80K ISK in one fowl swoop. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 2	Posted - 2014.01.29 16:36:00 - [92] - Quote Well if tanks were not so damn indestructible people who use forge guns and swarms and all that would not get pissed off and go as far as suicide bomber. But unfortunately that is what is has come to now that our anti vehicle weapons do nothing but tickle the militia tanks not to mention the actual tankers who use Gunlogis and Madrugars. Hitting one of these with a forge or swarm is like hitting a sumo wrestler with a feather....they look at you...laugh....and keep on without giving you a second glance.
I HateMyFace FACTION WARFARE ARMY 47	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:41:00 - [93] - Quote I didnt know about this before. But now I'm going to durka burka muhammed jihad jeep the **** out of you.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:54:00 - [94] - Quote I HateMyFace wrote: I didnt know about this before. But now I'm going to durka burka muhammed jihad jeep the **** out of you. For some religious diversity, I will instead scream "Gott will es!" ("God wants it!" or "God wills it!"), which was used by Christian crusaders during the Middle Ages.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 151	Posted - 2014.01.29 19:48:00 - [95] - Quote So we don't need AV to kill tanks, which is why it got nerfed. Can't use jihad jeeps, because they're one hit kill tanks. I guess that means OBs are out, because they can kill tanks pretty quickly too. Militia rail tanks are out as well, because they're cheap and kill tanks easily. I guess I could always grind 15 mil SP and become a real tanker to kill tanks? I'm not sure what other options are left
l''l Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:05:00 - [96] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. GULP* SLURP* GULP*LOL LET THE SWEET TEARS FLOW. Never mind the fact that you get all the war points out of every Skirmish blowing up Neutral turrets......HAHAHAHAHAHaaaa Let the crying begin.My latest victim btw.AH the delicious Butthurtery. Are you finding that you and your fellow tanker friends over psychological compensating by having to have the biggest GUN in the game? Or is it your incessant need to stare at something phallic (the tank turret) all day that reassures you? Never fear my Vaginal friend.I WILL CONTINUE.HAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=138665&find=unread
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 51	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:29:00 - [97] - Quote As far as AV goes the swarms suck but forges do the trick. I killed 4 tanks and 3 drop ships solo in a DREN suit one damage mod in a match yesterday. They quit bringing out tanks AV works you just have to have a good spot to set up. I do not think tanks are OP! Some tankers are smarter than others. They think they are OP. As far as LAVs with REs all is fair I see nothing wrong with it. It is a great tactic. Bottom line you don't like something you WILL HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR TACTICS OR YOU WILL DIE. It is the way of New Eden if you haven't figured that out by now there is no hope for you. BTW I die all the time to militia shotguns on dragonfly suits my logi is almost 300k isk I just respawn and watch my back
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6343	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:33:00 - [98] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward. So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Not gonna deny that...all you need is one redline Rail HAV with a gank fit while you squaddies roll the enemy with blaster tanks. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 51	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:33:00 - [99] - Quote I love tanks they are tasty please keep spamming them I do enjoy the treat.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6343	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:37:00 - [100] - Quote l''l wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor. EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. GULP* SLURP* GULPLOL LET THE SWEET TEARS FLOW. Never mind the fact that you get all the war points out of every Skirmish blowing up Neutral turrets......HAHAHAHAHAHaaaa Let the crying begin.My latest victim btw.AH the delicious Butthurtery. Are you finding that you and your fellow tanker friends over psychological compensating by having to have the biggest GUN in the game? Or is it your incessant need to stare at something phallic (the tank turret) all day that reassures you? Never fear my Vaginal friend.I WILL CONTINUE.HAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=138665&find=unread EDIT: Also please spare me your 0 risk huge reward theory as you sit on the redline firing the only weapon that shoots 600m.Please HTFU & STFU All of the above except the butthurtery part..... I have plenty of ISK so essentially infinite tanks. I do like staring at the massive phallic shapped canon oft time wondering how something so **** like can lay waste to so many people..... I do also like having the biggest gun on the map...it comes from a complex in EVE where I can only pilot small ships well and everyone else has bigger guns. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."



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