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Blaze Ashra
DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.26 05:56:00 -
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Invest in scanners.
KThxBye.
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
466
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:13:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Verses tank spam acceptable because tank spam is broken but I've been the only damn tank in an FW verses 3 enemy tanks and a PRO FG and I get jihad jeeped like WTF. just one guy going 25-0 git gud and kill him respectably. Proxies are a B*tch at proto level whats the point of them beeping if I die instantly.
Perhaps you should start paying more attention to the ground when driving. That, and don't be so predictable. The trap can't go walk right in front of you; it's up to the pilot to spring it. Oh I have no issue with proxies I just don't have time to look down when I am fleeing from a redline rail or something I admit better awareness would prevent those deaths but I just don't see a point of beeping if they detonate on pretty much on contact.
They shouldn't beep at all.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2988
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:16:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor.
EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps.
Yeah, and sometimes a proto heavy gets a Dren Shotgun to the back of the head.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2988
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:18:00 -
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Bloody double post.
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
641
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Posted - 2014.01.26 07:36:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Marad''er wrote:Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward.
So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. I was referring to Mlt tanks.
Also I wouldn't call the sica rails scrubs... They have simply adapted to tank514
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1373
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Posted - 2014.01.26 14:11:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Invest in scanners.
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Thumb Green
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
700
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Posted - 2014.01.27 04:14:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:No risk high reward.
MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter.
See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. A bpo fit can kill a 200+K suit, so what's your proposed fix for that? that BPO suit can't run 3x faster than you and kill you on contact.
But that's not the point of your thread. Your whole deal is about risk vs reward and how someone can risk nothing while being rewarded for it.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
464
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Posted - 2014.01.27 04:22:00 -
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Just the other day I took out three Jihad Jeeps that were trying to take out my Blaster Soma I was using to help a pack of infantry push an objective (as opposed to solo-raoming with it).
The first one was coming at me from my left and I turned just in time to notice it and shot at it, causing the REs on the front to explode.
The second one, I shot the REs on the front when he unintentionally Dukes of Hazard-ed through my line of fire while supressing some infantry. (That one had me near rolling).
The third he tried to come at me from behind, but from his first attempt I was wary and heard his LAV circling around behind me, so I again shot it and took it out.
Moral of the story: If you keep your situational awareness, they can be countered.
If you're in the middle of a fight with another tank, yeah, it can be hard to keep your awareness up for LAVs when you're focusing on the enemy armor, but it's almost no different than some bastard with a rail ruining your honorable tank duel with enemy #1.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1397
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:39:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:Just the other day I took out three Jihad Jeeps that were trying to take out my Blaster Soma I was using to help a pack of infantry push an objective (as opposed to solo-raoming with it).
The first one was coming at me from my left and I turned just in time to notice it and shot at it, causing the REs on the front to explode.
The second one, I shot the REs on the front when he unintentionally Dukes of Hazard-ed through my line of fire while supressing some infantry. (That one had me near rolling).
The third he tried to come at me from behind, but from his first attempt I was wary and heard his LAV circling around behind me, so I again shot it and took it out.
Moral of the story: If you keep your situational awareness, they can be countered.
If you're in the middle of a fight with another tank, yeah, it can be hard to keep your awareness up for LAVs when you're focusing on the enemy armor, but it's almost no different than some bastard with a rail ruining your honorable tank duel with enemy #1. I am aware I have squad members telling me when they drop and where they are but I tend to use a slow moving rail or missile your using an easy mode blaster which is as I said easy mode but I have to sink like 9 out of 12 missiles into them or two rails while you only have to land 3-4 of the fastest firing fastest rotation speed turret.
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
Forum warrior lvl 1
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
525
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:10:00 -
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RED FARM wrote:Marad''er wrote:Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward.
So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... I totally disagree. Sure, there are a few rounds where you go 20-0 but most are about engaging other tanks so your troops can secure objectives. You can easily lose a million ISK in a round tanking. This never happens as an infantry. Skill Point payouts tend to be less too.
My proto scout fitting says you can easiliy burn 1 mill as infantry as well... |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
525
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:13:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:sira draco wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Any tanker that complains right now should be ridiculed and laughed at for the rest of their time in Dust. I agreed, this game is EZ mode for tankers and they still complain, they can survive a jihad jeep with their hardeners on and they can cycle hardeners I jihad jeeped Sprk4forthedeads tank after he did it to me killed him with a hard running even dual hards has a 14.5 sec window which doesn't matter since you can get him with one hard on. Jihad jeeps are more easy mode than tanks therefore tank are not EZ mode.
Any Infantrymen can make your Jihad jeep make boom not to speak from red Railturrets they are pretty deadly for LAVs as well as Tanks. |
Aszazel
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:13:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor.
EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps.
Hhahahahahhah heheheheeheheeh huff huff gasp, Buhhahahahaha, OMG, I can....can't breathe.... se....seri.....seriously. GULP, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. I am sorry. let me compose myself. F*** YOU, wait wait, that was rude, let me try it again......... F*** YOU. See right there, that isn't a proper response for the forums.
What I mean good sir, it that tanks are insanely cheap (I can lose 3 of them and break even) low risk, you only have to worry about railgun installations and other tanks, infantry is a joke, jihad jeeps are a joke if you die from them you can't hit anything and have no situational awareness. And lastly, they are insanely dicky to play, well,,,,,,,,,,, how everyone plays them anyways, go around blow up all installations, then supply depots, then CRUs. Once you have mined the entire map of points or IF YOU LOSE YOUR TANK, most people just quit playing them. And then what do the rest of us have left as defenses, you blew up our installations, you blew up our supply depots to change fits, and I can't land anything cause we are outnumbered 4 to 0 tanks. Cause you all are greedy d*cks. So I drop in a LAV hopefully before someone blows it and try to level the playing field. Its not like my Ant-Armor fit is going to do anything. |
Sentient Archon
1437
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:35:00 -
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Sorry dude... You wont be getting much sympathy from the dust community here. In all the matches I have played more than 50% of them involved 4 or more red tanks on the field and more than 30% involved having 6 red tanks on the field.
I played an ambush match last night at Manus Peak and 4 tanks got dropped in. Can you imagine how big a pole up your arse that is?
Talk about no risk and huge reward being a tanker is where it is at now.
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:43:00 -
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Another no-fun OP who hates emergent gameplay. The only thing broken about this is the existence of BPO LAVs. I, for one, Jihad Jeep at ~40k. And, in contrast to intended AV, losing that money is the intended outcome of Jihad Jeeps. The tactic is balanced by the fact that it's a suicide attack. Once AV is rebuffed, it will be far less appealing, because a good AV player can actually kill multiple vehicles without using a full fit, a clone and an LAV. |
Sgt Buttscratch
1410
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:46:00 -
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this is great, tankers actually mad their 70k tank gets killed......
scrubs
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1402
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:39:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor.
EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. Hhahahahahhah heheheheeheheeh huff huff gasp, Buhhahahahaha, OMG, I can....can't breathe.... se....seri.....seriously. GULP, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. I am sorry. let me compose myself. F*** YOU, wait wait, that was rude, let me try it again......... F*** YOU. See right there, that isn't a proper response for the forums. What I mean good sir, it that tanks are insanely cheap (I can lose 3 of them and break even) low risk, you only have to worry about railgun installations and other tanks, infantry is a joke, jihad jeeps are a joke if you die from them you can't hit anything and have no situational awareness. And lastly, they are insanely dicky to play, well,,,,,,,,,,, how everyone plays them anyways, go around blow up all installations, then supply depots, then CRUs. Once you have mined the entire map of points or IF YOU LOSE YOUR TANK, most people just quit playing them. And then what do the rest of us have left as defenses, you blew up our installations, you blew up our supply depots to change fits, and I can't land anything cause we are outnumbered 4 to 0 tanks. Cause you all are greedy d*cks. So I drop in a LAV hopefully before someone blows it and try to level the playing field. Its not like my Ant-Armor fit is going to do anything. You must be mad good to get 1,400,000+ a game
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Forum warrior lvl 1
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1402
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:40:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:this is great, tankers actually mad their 70k tank gets killed......
scrubs But my tank isn't 70K ret*rd.
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
Forum warrior lvl 1
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Thumb Green
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
702
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:53:00 -
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You never did tell us what your proposed fix to BPO suits killing 200+K suits was.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1402
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:56:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:You never did tell us what your proposed fix to BPO suits killing 200+K suits was. There broken as CCP has said "Not working as intended" not my job to fix everything.
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Forum warrior lvl 1
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
870
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:00:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:No risk high reward.
MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter.
See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me.
Don't make a fool out of yourself. I have not used ANY LAV since beta. If someone sees holes in your argument it's surely because they stand to personally benefit in the nerf wars, right? So effing juvenile. I think your comments are very telling about what kinda guy you are and what your posts mean. When you pay to win and run OP sh!t you lose your right to 'git gud' anyone
Back to the topic. In this game you have free starter fits that in theory should be good enough to take out proto suits if the person wearing one has good gun game. Jihad jeeps are the same way.
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HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
519
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:04:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor.
EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. I have zero sympathy for tankers. They literally ruin matches.in my opinion they have ruined the entire game. I know for me its true. Anything that kills tanks is great for the game. Why cater to a giy who will only fight if he has the upper hand?
Jihad jeeps are righteous.
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Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:09:00 -
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So after everything that's come about in 1.7...some tankers still say tanks cost too much.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1333
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:12:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating.
Keep them out of pubs and we'll stop blowing them up. Serves you right.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
1430
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Posted - 2014.01.29 12:46:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating.
Keep them out of pubs and we'll stop blowing them up. Serves you right. Tanks WTF I should keep my specialized role out of the pubs you sir are no longer allowed to run infantry in pubs.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
1430
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Posted - 2014.01.29 12:46:00 -
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Taeryn Frost wrote:So after everything that's come about in 1.7...some tankers still say tanks cost too much.
Interesting... Tanks cost too much if they can be instapopped by 0 ISK.
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
Forum warrior lvl 1
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
1430
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Posted - 2014.01.29 12:48:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:The issue I have with jihad jeeps isn't so much that they kill me it's the no risk big reward. BPO LAV+BPO suit you can swap at a supply depot to keep your remote suit = 0 ISK potentially 0 sp (do you need any skills for LP/Aurum remotes). You get a big reward enemy ISK lost has something to do with pay out so your 0 ISK could get you more ISK. It is incredibly easy to do slap some remotes on and crash into a tank. Remove the ability to stick remotes to BPO LAV's and for remotes to do damage if the suit is not equipped then you have the risk of losing thousands of ISK. Then only allow detonation if you hit a certain parts all other spots will have to thick hull. There you have risk, reward and a skill factor.
EDIT: Just because I want this because doesn't mean I don't want AV to be more viable and tank prices to be higher but I don't want to have balanced tanks with imbalanced jihad jeeps. I have zero sympathy for tankers. They literally ruin matches.in my opinion they have ruined the entire game. I know for me its true. Anything that kills tanks is great for the game. Why cater to a giy who will only fight if he has the upper hand? Jihad jeeps are righteous. I have 0 sympathy for Infantry as they were able to instapop us before and continue to be able to instapop us yet complain about how OP tanks are.
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
Forum warrior lvl 1
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
1430
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Posted - 2014.01.29 12:51:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:No risk high reward.
MLT tanks are so cheap. You can just recall and call one in.mthey are dirt cheap to so it doesn't matter.
See where I'm going? Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating. If you don't have the skill to stop the Jeeps to save your expensive tank, don't play expensive tanks - switch to militia tanks until you get better neutralizing the Jeeps before they get to you. Where is a problem in there? So I have to use skill? I kill one 2-3 times he loses no ISK and kills me the fourth time and I go negative. I don't always run my most expensive tank never stated that I did. I try not to use broken things unlike you jihad jeepers I get it as a joke, I killed a tanker in my corp when I wound up on the other team and he pulled a jeep out to kill me I'd seen him die a dozen times and not pull one out but seriously as a crutch git gud. You tell me to git gud yet you can't even use proper AV to kill me. Don't make a fool out of yourself. I have not used ANY LAV since beta. If someone sees holes in your argument it's surely because they stand to personally benefit in the nerf wars, right? So effing juvenile. I think your comments are very telling about what kinda guy you are and what your posts mean. When you pay to win and run OP sh!t you lose your right to 'git gud' anyone Back to the topic. In this game you have free starter fits that in theory should be good enough to take out proto suits if the person wearing one has good gun game. Jihad jeeps are the same way. I haven't spent a dime on this game it just seems that everyone else has. Starter fits are BPO's they have said BPO's not working as intended and they are nerfing TTK which causes you to die quickly anyway. How is there skill with the jihad jeep just ram a tank and instapop it where's the skill.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4166
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Posted - 2014.01.29 13:05:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Marad''er wrote:Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward.
So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. Swarmers and Forge Gunners in 215k suits who were on a tower could also die to an enemy Forge Gunner, or a Sniper.
See, Tower Camping wasn't no risk/high reward. It was actually high risk/medium reward.
It was hard staying ISK-positive when you had scrubs with NT-511s thinking they were snipers or wannabe Forgers counter-forging you with DAUs.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1340
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:45:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Oh I don't f*cking care about militia tanks go jihad jeep them to hell and back I don't care they are broken It's my 500k tanks that I lose to 0 ISK that gets irritating.
Keep them out of pubs and we'll stop blowing them up. Serves you right. Tanks WTF I should keep my specialized role out of the pubs you sir are no longer allowed to run infantry in pubs.
I specialized as logi but standard gear still benefits from the skill bonuses so if I wear it in pubs cost isn't an issue. Do you really need a half mil ISK tank to be effective? If so you are terrible at specializing into something.
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Blaze Ashra
DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance
159
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Harpyja wrote:Marad''er wrote:Tanks are also practically No Risk All Reward.
So I have no problem that one out of their 2 counters is the same... Uhm my 526k Gunnlogi dies to three railgun shots. So don't tell me that it's no risk/high reward. It's actually high risk/medium award. It's hard to stay ISK-positive when you have scrubs with rail Sicas that think they are tankers. Swarmers and Forge Gunners in 215k suits who were on a tower could also die to an enemy Forge Gunner, or a Sniper. See, Tower Camping wasn't no risk/high reward. It was actually high risk/medium reward. It was hard staying ISK-positive when you had scrubs with NT-511s thinking they were snipers or wannabe Forgers counter-forging you with DAUs. I know you're joking but that was broken to hell and back ten times over. Redline rails are just broken to hell.
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