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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:31:00 -
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All the comparisons with Eve are essentially irrelevant from a gameplay perspective for one very simple reason.
Eve doesn't have a cap of 16 players per side.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 17:01:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Considering all the tech in dust, is from EVE it is relevant, a civilization at that tech level wouldn't randomly make things more complicated for the sake of fairness to the enemy.
Err...... last time I checked, Dust was a computer game.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 17:26:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:I din't think any of the halfway decent tankers wanted you to dedicate a squad to kill 1 tank...
We just wanted a fair fight.
In 1.3-1.6 the fight was 'my wyrrkomi swarm is a 2 shot kill, and if 1.5 seconds is too long, i throw 1 Lai dai AV nade!'
Even against 2 hardeners, 1 max skill rep going, AND a polycrystalline plate.
In 1.6 it took a MINIMUM of 5 mil to outrep a single militia swarm for 20 seconds. Does this NOT seem flawed to you? What us REAL tankers wanted was for 1 Aver to be a THREAT, but not a FUCKINGG IWIN BUTTON +200 WP.
I'll pick up on "we just wanted a fair fight"; I'm not ignoring the rest of the post, but that is the heart of the disagreement I think.
The problem is agreeing what "fair" means.
For many tankers it means "my several million ISK should be equivalent to several million ISK in dropsuits". For most infantry it means "your one place in a team of 16 should be equivalent to anyone else's one space".
Now, no-one I respect is saying it was balanced and fair before. Cheap militia AV shouldn't destroy expensive tanks with expensive prototype modules. But one player with an unlimited budget for AV fittings should be able to go one-on-one against one player with an unlimited budget for tanks and fittings.
Beyond that, I'd love to see real tanks that require a crew of 3 to operate, and that require an AV team of three to counter. That would be just epic.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 19:47:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:That would be a nice thing to have, as a secondary, super tanked tank with 20k base hp, and 2 med turrets, along with a main large turret.
We still need to think of the people who don't have their own dedicated squad, the people who don't have the 6 mill isk to field such a monstrosity.
We need a 1 man operated tank with minimal support required to operate.
Yep, I agree. Medium Attack Vehicles. Slightly tougher and slightly slower than a LAV, with a single large turret.
Alternatively, allow the current HAVs to be operated in either solo or crewed mode. In solo mode they are fairly weak and slow; in crewed mode they are beasts.
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