Consider headshots it may have a massive mutiplyer like the scp but to be honest not looked at any of the new goodies so my opinion is ignorant

bolt pistol ftw
belong to which race?

Bolt Pistol is Caldari.

So, I want to love the Gallente weapons, but they just seem to have so many terrible design flaws. The Ion pistol is the newest addition, and I am afraid that I will soon be tossing it on the useless weapons pile with all the other Gal weaponry.

The breakdown:

RoF: 375 r/m (this will be utterly horrendous as a simi-automatic weapon: single shot RoF don't begin to really shine until around 460 r/m. The Ion Pistol will be severely out classed by even the std Scrambler Pistol, in every aspect (e.g. range, damage, RoF)

Damage: 50 - 55 HP (this is easily out classed by the Scrambler Pistol's damage of 80 - 88. Ah, but what about the charged shot, you may be thinking. Well essentially, as it stands now, it will end up being entirely useless. I'll explain later.)

Range: 24m (out ranged by every other sidearm - in most cases hilariously out ranged.)

So, what does the Ion pistol get to make up for horrendous performance as a weapon?

Larger max ammo: 72 rounds (yay, now I can use this completely ineffective weapon longer with out having to resupply

Larger mag size: 12 rounds (see above)

I was hoping that the charged shot would be the saving grace here, but after having read the description for the Ion Pisto, when it was first found on Sisi, and after seeing the charge up time and damage output of the charge shot, I am now sure that it will not be, unless something changes:

The Sisi description: described the charge shot as overheating the weapon with a single charge. (the charge shot on the proto does 385 damage, this will not even be enough to deliver an OHK to most scouts post 1.8, and if an over heat has a seizure duration you won't be able to swap weapons after a charge shot. The charge shot will be pretty much worthless in any situation: can't open with it because then you can't swap weapons, and can't close with it because it has a 1.4 second charge time. Terrible.

Charge time: 1.4 seconds (just terrible. See above)

IMO, to make this weapon relevant, decrease the charge time to around .6 - .75, and make it capable of firing two charge shots before overheating.

I hope that I am wrong here and it turns out to be a great weapon, but I don't think I am.

Wanna know something funny? if the damage remained the same but it did not overheat spamming the charged shot would give you a DPS of 237 that's lower than the DPS without the charged shot! Needless to say it's unchanged damage is underwhelming and it's range kills it.

I'm actually starting to like my flaylock- great for getting that last armor-obliterating shot in after you run out of ammo with your primary.

Consider headshots it may have a massive mutiplyer like the scp but to be honest not looked at any of the new goodies so my opinion is ignorant

CCP Saberwing asked Wolfman and confirmed that none of the new rifles have a headshot multiplier like the Scrambler Pistol on the IRC last night.

CCP Saberwing asked Wolfman and confirmed that none of the new rifles have a headshot multiplier like the Scrambler Pistol on the IRC last night.

Meant Pistols sorry. I edited it. Been talking about rifles for so long I guess it's stuck on the brain. Rifle514 as the think-they're-clever forumers would say.

I knew what ya meant.

I was really asking why it doesn't have a multiplier like the ScR, just it doesn't scramble brains but it should do something.

Meant Pistols sorry. I edited it. Been talking about rifles for so long I guess it's stuck on the brain. Rifle514 as the think-they're-clever forumers would say.

Also, I realize that there should be 2 types of sidearms:

Ones that can be used as weapons by themselves (knives)
and ones that are simply backup after running out of ammo (flaylocks)

All sidearms should be designed with 1 role or the other in mind. By the sound of it, the ion pistol is meant to be used by itself.

I wouldn't comment on any of the new weapons until we know what their respective operation skill bonuses are going to be at this point were speculating with half the equation. Just imagine if the bonus was a RoF bonus, or a range bonus or both.

Agree why we complaining about a pistol that has not come out or no footage of it in action, so i say just wait till it comes out and see how it does before we make a thing about it

At STD level, the Ion pistol charge shot does 350 damage. The damage on a Thales Sniper Rifle is 355. The damage on a "Charge" Sniper Rifle is 322 or so. Both of those are PRO level, and the Ion PRO has a single shot dmg of 385, higher than both.

With 3 complex dmg mods and prof 5, the charge shot becomes 560 dmg, and a Gallente commando with 1 complex dmg mod would do 535 dmg with it. If it has a "standard" headshot bonus (like the AR, shotgun, etc.) that's 1.5x. That's 840 damage in the former case, and 803 in the latter. That's enough to 1-shot almost any suit in the game.

Another classic example of short range weapons being awful.
Seriously, why does CCP not understand that you can't give weapons a longer range AND better damage than others?



We have the stats.
From the stats it is ridiculously obvious that the Ion Pistol is bad.

bolt pistol ftw
belong to which race?

The commando bonus doesn't apply, that is only light weapons not sidearms. On top of that you now have a slow suit whose engagement range is 20 meters and each shot takes a full second and a half.