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Grutger Buckner Crash Axe Ltd. 2	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:02:00 - [1] - Quote It's time, gentlemen. Time to throw off the bonds of economic cowardice and let laissez faire create the balance. Tens of thousands of Dusties have useless salvage. Tens of thousands of capsuleers are ready to produce dropsuits and weapons for them. Why are you waiting to add another exciting facet to E.V.E.'s economy while stifling interest in Dust's economy? The groundwork is laid. Let's do this already! I thought you Icelandian and migrant multicultural devs were all about paving the way to the future of gaming. You've forged ahead, laying waste to all obstacles only to hesitate at the brink of Utopia. Open the gates and let your community build on the foundation you've laid. It's time, gentlemen. Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Squagga The State Protectorate 57	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:19:00 - [2] - Quote Grutger Buckner wrote: It's time, gentlemen. Time to throw off the bonds of economic cowardice and let laissez faire create the balance. Tens of thousands of Dusties have useless salvage. Tens of thousands of capsuleers are ready to produce dropsuits and weapons for them. Why are you waiting to add another exciting facet to E.V.E.'s economy while stifling interest in Dust's economy? The groundwork is laid. Let's do this already! I thought you Icelandian and migrant multicultural devs were all about paving the way to the future of gaming. You've forged ahead, laying waste to all obstacles only to hesitate at the brink of Utopia. Open the gates and let your community build on the foundation you've laid. It's time, gentlemen. I wholeheartedly agree with this. The only thing I think should be done first is the DUST player market. Then the integration with EVE. I have to admit though with EVE players giving DUST free money **** would get out of hand quickly. There would be no end to the proto gear and where would it stop? Also what purpose would it serve New Eden? BTW I want those EVE players making my dropsuits. They should make a new one , just for me, Caldari Cko Five high four low two equipment slots no sidearm and six grenade slot. Name it "The Squagga" unlimited CPU and PG obviously Reloading, the silent killer.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1129	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:41:00 - [3] - Quote Personally, I think Dust 514 items should be manufactured with the same materials as EVE Online items. It would make it a bit harder for CCP to manage prices for the two games separately, but the strengthened relationship between Dust 514 and EVE Online would definitely be worth it. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Grutger Buckner Crash Axe Ltd. 2	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:46:00 - [4] - Quote Squagga wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with this. The only thing I think should be done first is the DUST player market. Then the integration with EVE. I have to admit though with EVE players giving DUST free money **** would get out of hand quickly. There would be no end to the proto gear and where would it stop? Also what purpose would it serve New Eden? BTW I want those EVE players making my dropsuits. They should make a new one , just for me, Caldari Cko Five high four low two equipment slots no sidearm and six grenade slot. Name it "The Squagga" unlimited CPU and PG obviously I agree with your concern about proto gear being used more often, that's crossed my mind too. I think cheaper proto suits would help the little guy more than you think though. Well connected players in the major corps already proto stomp public matches as it is, while players with less income (like me) are forced to leave their proto gear on the shelf for fear of losing it. If I lose 10 suits I've got to play ambush in militia suits for two hours to make the money to replace them. And as far as players who don't have the SP to fit proto gear, haven't we all been there? The benefit to New Eden would be the creation of a new market with new dynamics. This is always a good thing for capitalism. My point is that CCP needs to stop trying to be the Federal Reserve and just let the market sort itself out. Free markets always do, and more quickly than you would think. Hope you've got a patent pending for The Squagga. Sounds like the next big thing. Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Otavio Martins The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.01.25 05:02:00 - [5] - Quote Grutger Buckner wrote: It's time, gentlemen. Time to throw off the bonds of economic cowardice and let laissez faire create the balance. Tens of thousands of Dusties have useless salvage. Tens of thousands of capsuleers are ready to produce dropsuits and weapons for them. Why are you waiting to add another exciting facet to E.V.E.'s economy while stifling interest in Dust's economy? The groundwork is laid. Let's do this already! I thought you Icelandian and migrant multicultural devs were all about paving the way to the future of gaming. You've forged ahead, laying waste to all obstacles only to hesitate at the brink of Utopia. Open the gates and let your community build on the foundation you've laid. It's time, gentlemen. and while in this line of thought, how about we being able to sell our assets? Censored. Star Wars Fan. Please gimme some ISK.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6572	Posted - 2014.01.25 07:06:00 - [6] - Quote You try telling that to an expert economist who happens to be the brains behind the New Eden economy. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1130	Posted - 2014.01.25 08:35:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: You try telling that to an expert economist who happens to be the brains behind the New Eden economy. Here's an analogy for you. Economists are like ecologists. Ecologists study, and occasionally help, ecologies. Economists study, and occasionally help, economies. Neither of them are the brains behind what they are involved with, however. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 723	Posted - 2014.01.25 08:53:00 - [8] - Quote It's past time for One Universe::One Market. LogiGod earns his pips
Squagga The State Protectorate 58	Posted - 2014.01.26 01:03:00 - [9] - Quote Well here's what I'm wondering. If the EVE economy is so great that students in real life colleges stufdy it. How did that economy get that way? Did they just let loose and have the players figure it out? Was it constantly changing things and taking things away? I would like to have this figured out so we can progress. Cheaper proto suits huh? I really wonder if that is the answer ... It seems to me that the key to this game nowadays is to run in a group. Even before I left I had a squad, a good squad, but we didn't have to be right next to eachother all the time. Point in fact guests would ***** that we weren't there to support them. It seems to me that these days it doesnt matter if you're running advanced gear as long as you run in a pack Reloading, the silent killer.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1131	Posted - 2014.01.26 01:21:00 - [10] - Quote Squagga wrote: Well here's what I'm wondering. If the EVE economy is so great that students in real life colleges stufdy it. How did that economy get that way? Did they just let loose and have the players figure it out? Was it constantly changing things and taking things away? I would like to have this figured out so we can progress. The EVE economy isn't "great", per se, but it's by far the largest non-simulated virtual economy ever to exist. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1677	Posted - 2014.01.26 01:29:00 - [11] - Quote Grutger Buckner wrote: It's time, gentlemen. Time to throw off the bonds of economic cowardice and let laissez faire create the balance. Tens of thousands of Dusties have useless salvage. Tens of thousands of capsuleers are ready to produce dropsuits and weapons for them. Why are you waiting to add another exciting facet to E.V.E.'s economy while stifling interest in Dust's economy? The groundwork is laid. Let's do this already! I thought you Icelandian and migrant multicultural devs were all about paving the way to the future of gaming. You've forged ahead, laying waste to all obstacles only to hesitate at the brink of Utopia. Open the gates and let your community build on the foundation you've laid. It's time, gentlemen. Dust doesn't have enough ISK sinks. Merging the enconomy now would have some bad influences. Billions of ISK generated in Dust via Instant battles and PC would flood the market. I guess CCP is still working on a way to reduce the amount of ISK in Dust with ISK sinks. Atm. basically everything Dusties do generates ISK. The only ISK sink there is, is the missing loot in Instant battles, meaning equip is actually destroyed and people have to buy new stuff by throwing ISK at NPCs and FW, which doesn't hand out ISK at all. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Squagga The State Protectorate 58	Posted - 2014.01.26 01:59:00 - [12] - Quote I really do wonder though ... the EVE ships cost quite a bit more than a dropsuit loadout ... most of them .. but from what I gather we purchase our loadouts hundreds of times to everytime a pilot buys a ship .. how much difference is there? Reloading, the silent killer.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1522	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:05:00 - [13] - Quote Grutger Buckner wrote: It's time, gentlemen. Time to throw off the bonds of economic cowardice and let laissez faire create the balance. Tens of thousands of Dusties have useless salvage. Tens of thousands of capsuleers are ready to produce dropsuits and weapons for them. Why are you waiting to add another exciting facet to E.V.E.'s economy while stifling interest in Dust's economy? The groundwork is laid. Let's do this already! I thought you Icelandian and migrant multicultural devs were all about paving the way to the future of gaming. You've forged ahead, laying waste to all obstacles only to hesitate at the brink of Utopia. Open the gates and let your community build on the foundation you've laid. It's time, gentlemen. FUN FACT: The current EVE to Dust isk ratio is 31:1 Eves side......... Marston VC, STB Director
Squagga The State Protectorate 58	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:15:00 - [14] - Quote DUST is still a new and growing economy. They should give us more things to help improve the economy. Like being able to make use of the ores that are on the planets that we are fighting on. Also purchasing drones would help with our economy growing. Reloading, the silent killer.
Grutger Buckner Crash Axe Ltd. 5	Posted - 2014.01.26 16:17:00 - [15] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Here's an analogy for you. Economists are like ecologists. Ecologists study, and occasionally help, ecologies. Economists study, and occasionally help, economies. Neither of them are the brains behind what they are involved with, however. Exactly. Free market economies always thrive. It's "experts" interfering and trying to reinvent the wheel that damage free markets. Just look at the terminally ill US market for more evidence than you need. Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1308	Posted - 2014.01.26 16:57:00 - [16] - Quote A big driver of the EVE economy is location. There is none in DUST unless all your trading and gear was limited to your starting station. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6586	Posted - 2014.01.26 18:22:00 - [17] - Quote My point here is that merging the two economies now is a bad idea for multiple reasons. 1. Dust has too much ISK going into it (faucet is too high) and not enough getting lost (sink not big enough). 2. Eve players carry about 500 million ISK or so on average and that's at the character level (not accounting for corp wallets). 3. As Tallen Ellecon pointed out, location helps drive the economy. Eve Online has a multitude of regional markets competing. 4. We lack industry. Currently, all items we have are NPC seeded. This is not good for establishing a free market. 5. To establish industry, there needs to be mineral acquisition in Dust while ensuring balanced availability of said minerals. 6. Heavy taxation must be instituted for any ISK entering Dust from Eve side due to reason #2. Once both economies reach equilibrium, the taxation can then be dialed down until both economies share equal value of ISK. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1146	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:20:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: 6. Heavy taxation must be instituted for any ISK entering Dust from Eve side due to reason #2. Once both economies reach equilibrium, the taxation can then be dialed down until both economies share equal value of ISK. EVE has far more players than Dust 514, so why should both games have equivalent ISK value? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6593	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:23:00 - [19] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: 6. Heavy taxation must be instituted for any ISK entering Dust from Eve side due to reason #2. Once both economies reach equilibrium, the taxation can then be dialed down until both economies share equal value of ISK. EVE has far more players than Dust 514, so why should both games have equivalent ISK value? Part of creating equilibrium between the economies involves player base numbers. That much is correct, but as the dust player base grows and the market is slowly incorporated into dust to minimize market shock, the value of ISK between both games can be the same after a certain point. Of course, the value between the two ISKs won't be 100% equal due to market forces (supply and demand) but the margins can be close enough. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*


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