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Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3683	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:37:00 - [1] - Quote Welcome again! I believe I've been doing this since codex, but we all no these complaints are never listened to. First off, I would like to clarify something: by "assault rifle" I mean all the racial versions of them; combat, rail, etc. You all know the speech: assault rifles are too damn good at everything, making MDs, lasers, shotguns, and burst HMGs pointless, yada yada yada, I've said it a thousand times. Now that we have every race's AR, I must now section my complaints. Assault rifle Call it a blaster rifle, damnit! Now that the rest of the ARs are out, tactical and burst ARs should be refunded and removed I no longer have any complaints about their over-versatility An actual buff may be in order- increased clip size seems to be the most popular request, and it makes sense to me. Combat rifle Force a pause between bursts Increase base recoil If necessarily, slightly higher damage per shot may be needed after these changes Scrambler rifle I don't think it's possible to overheat the assault variant Rail rifle Bring the RoF WAY down- make it slower than the average player can fire a semi-automatic weapon You may now carry on with your routine forum activities. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me3ynkmQNZ1ryid2jo1_500.gif I am your scan error.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3895	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:39:00 - [2] - Quote Is that Future Diary? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3685	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:39:00 - [3] - Quote You bet your ass it is! I am your scan error.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 309	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:40:00 - [4] - Quote .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3685	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page If all we ever do is buff the ARs to be equal to each other, they'll all be insanely OP towards everything else and TTK will be tiny. I am your scan error.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1903	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:44:00 - [6] - Quote I actually do very well with the Tac Ar. I would hate for it to be removed as it is one of my favourite weapons Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3685	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:47:00 - [7] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I actually do very well with the Tac Ar. I would hate for it to be removed as it is one of my favourite weapons I do well running knives only but that doesn't mean it makes sense to do. I am your scan error.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 309	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:47:00 - [8] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page If all we ever do is buff the ARs to be equal to each other, they'll all be insanely OP and TTK will be tiny. .......yah got me there Quick question why drop the RR RPM so much? I could agree with a RPM reduction but why slower than a ScR? A reason other than its supposed to be a semi-ato sniper rifle or it's FOTM nurff it into the ground would be really appreciated. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3688	Posted - 2014.01.24 22:54:00 - [9] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page If all we ever do is buff the ARs to be equal to each other, they'll all be insanely OP and TTK will be tiny. .......yah got me there Quick question why drop the RR RPM so much? I could agree with a RPM reduction but why slower than a ScR? A reason other than its supposed to be a semi-ato sniper rifle or it's FOTM nurff it into the ground would be really appreciated. Best solution I could think of for it. With that, RRs will be out-DPSed by the other ARs at short range. Currently, RRs at low levels are unusable at their intended range, due to the combination of their RoF, heavy base recoil, and the charge. The RoF I'm thinking of still isn't incredibly low- think the old variant of 80gj blasters that had lower RoF than the rest. I am your scan error.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 310	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:02:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page If all we ever do is buff the ARs to be equal to each other, they'll all be insanely OP and TTK will be tiny. .......yah got me there Quick question why drop the RR RPM so much? I could agree with a RPM reduction but why slower than a ScR? A reason other than its supposed to be a semi-ato sniper rifle or it's FOTM nurff it into the ground would be really appreciated. Best solution I could think of for it. With that, RRs will be out-DPSed by the other ARs at short range. Currently, RRs at low levels are unusable at their intended range, due to the combination of their RoF, heavy base recoil, and the charge. The RoF I'm thinking of still isn't incredibly low- think the old variant of 80gj blasters that had lower RoF than the rest. hmmm so dropping it from 600rpm to 550 or 500rpm? And maybe the Assault variant from 667(I think)RPM to 650 or 625 something like that? When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2885	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:03:00 - [11] - Quote I run Burst and TAR why remove them? There's no point in removing them. Why neglect Breach AR ASCR does overheat, continuous fire one clip, reload, continuous fire again. Also https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1749301#post1749301 Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3689	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:05:00 - [12] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page If all we ever do is buff the ARs to be equal to each other, they'll all be insanely OP and TTK will be tiny. .......yah got me there Quick question why drop the RR RPM so much? I could agree with a RPM reduction but why slower than a ScR? A reason other than its supposed to be a semi-ato sniper rifle or it's FOTM nurff it into the ground would be really appreciated. Best solution I could think of for it. With that, RRs will be out-DPSed by the other ARs at short range. Currently, RRs at low levels are unusable at their intended range, due to the combination of their RoF, heavy base recoil, and the charge. The RoF I'm thinking of still isn't incredibly low- think the old variant of 80gj blasters that had lower RoF than the rest. hmmm so dropping it from 600rpm to 550 or 500rpm? And maybe the Assault variant from 667(I think)RPM to 650 or 625 something like that? No clue, I don't pay attention to exact numbers I am your scan error.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 599	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:14:00 - [13] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ... Assault rifle Call it a blaster rifle, damnit! Now that the rest of the ARs are out, tactical and burst ARs should be refunded and removed I no longer have any complaints about their over-versatility An actual buff may be in order- increased clip size seems to be the most popular request, and it makes sense to me. ... No to the underlined. Unless of course, you remove assault variants of the CR, SCR, and RR. We have the assault (Blaster) rifle, afterall. In addition, we need to remove the breach SCP and Breach SMG once the Bolt pistol and Magsec come out. Also, we ought to remove the breach AR as well, now that the RR is out. Heck, why not just remove all weapon variants all together? This game could always use less content.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3689	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:14:00 - [14] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: .....you couldn't have joined in on the 2..3....4....5 buff the AR threads already on the front page If all we ever do is buff the ARs to be equal to each other, they'll all be insanely OP and TTK will be tiny. .......yah got me there Quick question why drop the RR RPM so much? I could agree with a RPM reduction but why slower than a ScR? A reason other than its supposed to be a semi-ato sniper rifle or it's FOTM nurff it into the ground would be really appreciated. Best solution I could think of for it. With that, RRs will be out-DPSed by the other ARs at short range. Currently, RRs at low levels are unusable at their intended range, due to the combination of their RoF, heavy base recoil, and the charge. The RoF I'm thinking of still isn't incredibly low- think the old variant of 80gj blasters that had lower RoF than the rest. hmmm so dropping it from 600rpm to 550 or 500rpm? And maybe the Assault variant from 667(I think)RPM to 650 or 625 something like that? I just used something that helps measure click speed, and clicked at about the rate I think it should fire. Ended up being a bit over 200rpm I am your scan error.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3689	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:16:00 - [15] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ... Assault rifle Call it a blaster rifle, damnit! Now that the rest of the ARs are out, tactical and burst ARs should be refunded and removed I no longer have any complaints about their over-versatility An actual buff may be in order- increased clip size seems to be the most popular request, and it makes sense to me. ... No to the underlined. Unless of course, you remove assault variants of the CR, SCR, and RR. We have the assault (Blaster) rifle, afterall. In addition, we need to remove the breach SCP and Breach SMG once the Bolt pistol and Magsec come out. Also, we ought to remove the breach AR as well, now that the RR is out. Heck, why not just remove all weapon variants all together? This game could always use less content. The reasoning behind this is simply because the combat rifle makes the burst AR pointless, while the scrambler rifle and rail rifle make the tactical AR pointless, as they're better all around. I am your scan error.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1649	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:19:00 - [16] - Quote You can overheat a ASCR you just have to work at it. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3690	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:20:00 - [17] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: You can overheat a ASCR you just have to work at it. That's beside the point I am your scan error.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8339	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Assault rifle Call it a blaster rifle, damnit! Plasma rifle. Plasma rifle. PLASMA RIFLE. Level 5 Proficiency 3 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 310	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:27:00 - [19] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I just used something that helps measure click speed, and clicked at about the rate I think it should fire. Ended up being a bit over 200rpm hmm seems a but low for the damage per shot. the breach ScP has an RPM of 157(again I think) and a damage of 135 and the normal RR doesn't even come close to that. The Proto version is 67 damage a shot and even with a 43 rpm difference even at range on open ground most of your targets will be able to take cover before you can kill them. as a full ato weapon I'd think the minimum we'd want it would be 400 RPM or so then again I can jam up the normal ScP with its 400RPM so maybe its just me When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3690	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:36:00 - [20] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I just used something that helps measure click speed, and clicked at about the rate I think it should fire. Ended up being a bit over 200rpm hmm seems a but low for the damage per shot. the breach ScP has an RPM of 157(again I think) and a damage of 135 and the normal RR doesn't even come close to that. The Proto version is 67 damage a shot and even with a 43 rpm difference even at range on open ground most of your targets will be able to take cover before you can kill them. as a full ato weapon I'd think the minimum we'd want it would be 400 RPM or so then again I can jam up the normal ScP with its 400RPM so maybe its just me Still doesn't sound right to me, unless I calculated it wrong I am your scan error.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 599	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:42:00 - [21] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ... Assault rifle Call it a blaster rifle, damnit! Now that the rest of the ARs are out, tactical and burst ARs should be refunded and removed I no longer have any complaints about their over-versatility An actual buff may be in order- increased clip size seems to be the most popular request, and it makes sense to me. ... No to the underlined. Unless of course, you remove assault variants of the CR, SCR, and RR. We have the assault (Blaster) rifle, afterall. In addition, we need to remove the breach SCP and Breach SMG once the Bolt pistol and Magsec come out. Also, we ought to remove the breach AR as well, now that the RR is out. Heck, why not just remove all weapon variants all together? This game could always use less content. The reasoning behind this is simply because the combat rifle makes the burst AR pointless, while the scrambler rifle and rail rifle make the tactical AR pointless, as they're better all around. Why not take that reasoning all the way? Remove the Gallente assault rifle. The Minmatar assault combat rifle more or less makes the Gallente AR pointless to the same extent that the combat rifle makes the bust AR pointless. I'd rather things be balanced/reworked, not removed. I'd rather CCP not take the easy way out. The only way I would support removal of weapon variants is if full weapon customization is in the game. Which will be awhile (or never).
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 310	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:06:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I just used something that helps measure click speed, and clicked at about the rate I think it should fire. Ended up being a bit over 200rpm hmm seems a but low for the damage per shot. the breach ScP has an RPM of 157(again I think) and a damage of 135 and the normal RR doesn't even come close to that. The Proto version is 67 damage a shot and even with a 43 rpm difference even at range on open ground most of your targets will be able to take cover before you can kill them. as a full ato weapon I'd think the minimum we'd want it would be 400 RPM or so then again I can jam up the normal ScP with its 400RPM so maybe its just me Still doesn't sound right to me, unless I calculated it wrong maybe the ScP has a RPM of 400 and that's really easy to jam up with a DS3 The proto ScP has an RPM of 500 witch is pushing it unless you have a mouse. Even then you need a trigger finger from god to jam it on a regular basis For a full ato weapon that only dose 67 or so damage for the proto variant 400RPM or 450 would be good I think then again I may be wrong about the ScPs fire rate. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3694	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:45:00 - [23] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I just used something that helps measure click speed, and clicked at about the rate I think it should fire. Ended up being a bit over 200rpm hmm seems a but low for the damage per shot. the breach ScP has an RPM of 157(again I think) and a damage of 135 and the normal RR doesn't even come close to that. The Proto version is 67 damage a shot and even with a 43 rpm difference even at range on open ground most of your targets will be able to take cover before you can kill them. as a full ato weapon I'd think the minimum we'd want it would be 400 RPM or so then again I can jam up the normal ScP with its 400RPM so maybe its just me Still doesn't sound right to me, unless I calculated it wrong maybe the ScP has a RPM of 400 and that's really easy to jam up with a DS3 The proto ScP has an RPM of 500 witch is pushing it unless you have a mouse. Even then you need a trigger finger from god to jam it on a regular basis For a full ato weapon that only dose 67 or so damage for the proto variant 400RPM or 450 would be good I think then again I may be wrong about the ScPs fire rate. The main point I was trying to get across was the RoF. If it's lowered that much, I'm sure it would be given a damage buff I am your scan error.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 312	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:56:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The main point I was trying to get across was the RoF. If it's lowered that much, I'm sure it would be given a damage buff Damage aside 200rpm still seams a bit low for a assault rifle type weapon. But thanks for answering my question. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3695	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:02:00 - [25] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The main point I was trying to get across was the RoF. If it's lowered that much, I'm sure it would be given a damage buff Damage aside 200rpm still seams a bit low for a assault rifle type weapon. But thanks for answering my question. Here's another way to put my idea of the RoF: roughly 2 or 3 times the RoF of a 20gj rail. At the range it fires at, that makes sense to me. Especially when a weapon with less range is semi automatic. I am your scan error.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 505	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:08:00 - [26] - Quote HAve Rail Rifles charge between each shot. You shouldn't need to release the trigger, but there should be a charge up between each shot. Have the skill reduce spool up time as opposed to kick. Now increase per shot damage. The strength of rails is in there alpha strikes, there weakness in their slow ROF. Caldari use these plus shields in order to outrun and outrange their opponents, whittling them from far away and relying on powerful shields to hold them through. Plasma rifles (I'm done calling it the Assault Rifle) are about wrecking anything it can reach. They push the sustained dps envelope hard, meaning if you're inside its optimal, it's going to win. Its weakness is how small of a range it can wreck you in. Decrease optimal to 25m, effective to 50m. Buff ROF and magazine capacity. This is in keeping with Gallente warfare, which is to use a combination of speed and armor to charge at the enemy and melt face with their blasters, then rep quickly to move on to the next engagement. Amarr are all about stand and deliver. They use lots and lots and LOTS of armor in order to stand there, soak up the hits, and use lasers to bring the light of God to their enemies. There weapons can't reach quite as far as railgun tech can, but they are the second longest range in New Eden. As such, the Laser Rifle should represent Beam turrets, which act as the artillery of laser tech. It should hit hard and slow, but not quite as hard, and not near as slow as the RR should. The scrambler rifle I think is in a pretty decent place. Perhaps reduce per shot damage, and increase the damage multiplier of charging, to make charged shots more valuable than spamming the trigger. As far as the laser rifle... no idea what to do with that. Minmatar are about outmaneuvering the enemy (mainly the Amarr) and using hard hitting weapons to eat through the armor of the Amarr, and also utilize explosives to blow their armor off. As such, they are the fastest in New Eden, and also have the most variety when it comes to tanking, but this comes at a cost. They haven't spent as much time working on shield tech like Caldari have, and so their shields will never compare to Caldari. Thy also haven't studied armor as much as the Amarr have, and so the Amarr will always have better armor, and more of it, than they can. Thus, they rely on hit and run tactics. Get in, deal damage, get out. Their weaponry should emphasize burst dps, able to put out a lot of damage in one big push, then a long "cooldown" of sorts, where they must retreat and reload and rearm, before hitting their opponents again. To this end, the combat rifle should spew bullets out like rain (it does) but have a long reload time (it doesn't) as well as a range between the plasma rifle and the scrambler rifle. In order of range, from greatest to least, it should go like this: 1. Rail Rifle 2. Scrambler Rifle 3.Combat Rifle 4.Plasma Rifle In order of DPS from greatest to least, it should be: 1.Plasma Rifle 2.Combat Rifle 3. Scrambler Rifle 4. Rail Rifle
Rusty Shallows 892	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:14:00 - [27] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You bet your ass it is! If memory serves she was gunning down people as a distraction so the Protagonist could assassinate someone else in an effort to win some cosmic contest. It was alright because he was going to wish everyone back alive (his weak will had already snapped from the previous blood shedding). Unfortunately later on it is found out the dead can't be brought back so every horrible murder was permanent. By linking that animation I think McBob is telling us we need to commit more atrocities in Dust 514 in order to win/fix it. Then create a third quantum reality (while somehow passively eradicating two others) that had Dust 514 perfect from the start. That or it was a red herring to distract critics. Either way if McBob runs a brokerage firm I'd like to see a prospectus. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3702	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:44:00 - [28] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: By linking that animation I think McBob is telling us we need to commit more atrocities in Dust 514 in order to win/fix it. Then create a third quantum reality (while somehow passively eradicating two others) that had Dust 514 perfect from the start. Well, obviously I am your scan error.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2824	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:18:00 - [29] - Quote I don't agree with removing the Plasma Rifle variants because they have different damage profiles than both the Combat and Rail Rifles. They need a small buff but should still be generally weaker than the versions they are copying. The Rail Rifle needs to be nerfed a bit and there are great suggestions for that here and in other threads. But, I've only heard a rumor about nerfing the CR so far. I guess the RR feels some competition from it and has arranged for it to be weakened. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana

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