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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:27:00 -
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Jamie Insano wrote:This game needs a big 're-do'. There is never 'some' Pub stomping going on, and whomever says there is most likely is a big offender of it.
Also whoever thinks all the issues will be fixed in 1.8 is a resounding DUMBASS. This game is under EVE, which has had the same problems for TEN YEARS.
Like I've said, dump EVERYTHING except 1 rifle, 1 suit, and 1 grenade. Make everyone use the same gear, and watch as the protostomping douchebags quit in droves.
That sort of person only plays because DUST is so imbalanced. I have played 8 hours a day for the last 2 weeks and have never been in an even battle. Not. One. Time.
I laughed my ass off when I logged on this morning and saw only 13k people on. This game is dying, and the few douches who are ruining it for the rest of us won't be able to keep it going with their AUR suits and weapons much longer. At this time next year everyone will be like, "Remember that ****** EVE fps game? I saw the lead designer flipping burgers at white Castle."
Yea because those protostomping "scumbags" somehow lose their skill and over 20 mil lifetime SP when they get into a milita suit.
You will still die! I would love to see this happen really. I'm tired of the talk. It's like you guys just keep repeating what the other guy said and really you begin to sound like whiners.
And there have been many before you who claimed the game was dying. We are celebrating a year of Dust and we will celebrate many more. If you don't have the heart for this game, you don't have the heart.
And no offense, but I've seen plenty of mercs from your corporation who do bad in battle even with a good team.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
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Spectre-M
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
228
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:45:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:And this proves what exactly? A few days ago we were up against a que synced team of 14 people of FACTION WARFARE ARMY. We beat them easily. Bad players do not become better when they are many.
You answered your own question.
Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist
Minnmatar in Amarr Armor
I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:52:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Marad''er wrote:Ambush main stomping problem other than matchmaking....
Spawn system is R3TARDED! There are no smart spawns. Enemy team gets to your spawn location? Well Gg your ******. You will keep spawning there for another 2-3 minutes before game realizes that your team just got spawn farmed for 20-30 clones You can throw uplinks in Ambush. You gotta "smart" spawn in at least once before you can drop an uplink. And again if that position is overrun. I fail to see your point.
That this is not the major issue causing stomping in Ambush. I don't think in evenly matched teams that your smart spawn point will be overrun before your team can spawn, thus it is a symptom of bad matchmaking, not something causing stomping. Once you have spawned once you should no longer be dependent on smart spawns, again, in evenly matched teams. It is a problem with an in game solution if the matchmaking is good. |
Azura Sakura
Altyr Initiative
563
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:58:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Zombie Knife wrote:Remove all sorts of prototype and advanced gear.
Remove tanks and ADS.
Remove damage and hp %-bonuses from skills.
Go back to the drawing board.
The amount of stomping going on is beyond ridiculous and is not fun whether you are on the receiving end or if your team is stomping. Stomping isn't a unique problem to Dust 514. It happens in just about every shooter, including shooters where you don't unlock anything and everyone uses the same "fits." Starting all the way back from square one on infantry in Dust just because of some stomping would be unwise. Especially when we're so close to correcting all the mistakes from the beta and launch of Uprising. I'd hate to go through another 7-8 months just to get back to where we are now. And honestly I've been noticing a lot of really competitive matches lately.
I think a new player has a better chance at having fun playing PS2 and other shooters (CoD, BF4) because it is more "fair" than this game. You can be a really great shooter and do well in those other games but in Dust, someone with better gear can win over a new player (1-10mil sp) |
Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:06:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Zombie Knife wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
Who's your main?
It does not matter. It would not change the facts. But, it would actually establish them. The O.P. is simply stating the obvious. Some people only use an ALT for giving likes. Technically we should all be using ALTs for posting and keeping the Mains hidden.
Except we don't all have alts and some of us don't have the desire to make one just to post on forums. Plus I don't particularly care who knows my in-game name. Chances are I'm not likely to run into most of you and if I did I'd probably have little to no chance of survival. I mostly play a solo, scout suited sniper (not a redline sniper unless you count sniping into the other team's redline).
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1494
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:10:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:Jake Bloodworth wrote:Zombie Knife wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:How long have you played DUST for? 16 months Simply... you shouldn't be getting stomped anymore at that Dust age. Get some friends. I'm not getting stomped more than my team is the one stomping. The problem is that neither is fun or even interesting at all. And the problem lies in the very fundamental game designs.
Then like, maybe play solo ? It works quite well if you got the skills, nothing beats stomping 1 or 2 squads solo.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
2836
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:13:00 -
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Stomping wouldnt happen if matchmaking wasn't garbage.
If you enter with a squad, you should have to fight a squad.
Such a basic concept that completely eludes CCP for whatever reason. |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
1967
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:15:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:I've killed about 30 tanks since the event started in my RE laden LAV. That's the difference between the warrior like Minmatar and the ***** ass dress wearing lil cry baby Amarr who roll over like a dying dog in the face of adversary.  And yet a corp that has a killer like you doesnt own a single district even in LOLPFC. Keep thinking that tiny pecker of yours is a philosopher's stone.
Quoting Forum 'All Talk"--- Call Out 
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I Slay, for thy Empress
Do you even PC... Brah
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
603
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:17:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:Remove all sorts of prototype and advanced gear.
Remove tanks and ADS.
Remove damage and hp %-bonuses from skills.
Go back to the drawing board.
The amount of stomping going on is beyond ridiculous and is not fun whether you are on the receiving end or if your team is stomping.
So you want them to remove all the RPG aspects and turn the game into a sci-fi Battlefield clone? No thanks
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Teilka Darkmist
64
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:22:00 -
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Jamie Insano wrote:This game needs a big 're-do'. There is never 'some' Pub stomping going on, and whomever says there is most likely is a big offender of it.
Also whoever thinks all the issues will be fixed in 1.8 is a resounding DUMBASS. This game is under EVE, which has had the same problems for TEN YEARS.
Like I've said, dump EVERYTHING except 1 rifle, 1 suit, and 1 grenade. Make everyone use the same gear, and watch as the protostomping douchebags quit in droves.
That sort of person only plays because DUST is so imbalanced. I have played 8 hours a day for the last 2 weeks and have never been in an even battle. Not. One. Time.
I laughed my ass off when I logged on this morning and saw only 13k people on. This game is dying, and the few douches who are ruining it for the rest of us won't be able to keep it going with their AUR suits and weapons much longer. At this time next year everyone will be like, "Remember that ****** EVE fps game? I saw the lead designer flipping burgers at white Castle."
Not entirely sure what problems you're talking about when you say that EVE has had the same problems for ten years. Of course I'm also not interested in going to Null and joining in on the blob fights that happen there so I'm assuming that the problems you mention are in that part of the game.
Making everyone use the same gear would not only have the 'protostomping douchebags' as you call them quit in droves, but a large portion of the remaining playerbase as well. Since Dust doesn't have a huge playerbase to start with, that would kill the game.
I could have sworn I saw a post earlier in the day which said the maximum concurrent users of dust in the previous 24 hours (or it may have been 48 I forget the exact details) was somewhere over 4k users. May I suggest that what you were looking at was the total number of people logged into Tranquility, which means Dust mercs and Eve capsuleers, and that it was shortly after the daily scheduled downtime so the number hadn't gotten back up to it's usual level of somewhere around 40 - 60k.
Finally, CCP have been as careful as they can be to make the AUR equipment equivalent to the Isk equipment, but with a lower skill requirement and, usually, some form of downside to using that rather than the Isk version. They've done that to try to avoid accusations like yours that the game is pay to win. Yes you can use the AUR proto equipment sooner than the isk versions, but they're also trying to encourage you to keep putting the sp into the skills to get them to 5 so you can use the better gear. Which you buy with isk.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:29:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:Remove all sorts of prototype and advanced gear.
Remove tanks and ADS.
Remove damage and hp %-bonuses from skills.
Go back to the drawing board.
The amount of stomping going on is beyond ridiculous and is not fun whether you are on the receiving end or if your team is stomping.
time for a different game buddy. There is a ton.
I am the real Darken
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RedZer0 MK1
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
165
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:54:00 -
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Make Faction Warfare matter. Let CCP know that we as the players want low level and high level players split. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
615
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:56:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:How long have you played DUST for? It doesnt matter how long you have played this game;- currently there are only 2 game modes and that is stomp or get stomped. There is nothing much you can do when 6 tanks get dropped on you in a pub match and inspite of taking out tanks there are always 6 tanks on the field. #NewHole I've killed about 30 tanks since the event started in my RE laden LAV. That's the difference between the warrior like Minmatar and the ***** ass dress wearing lil cry baby Amarr who roll over like a dying dog in the face of adversary.
This coming from a Caldari? Blasphemy...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:58:00 -
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RedZer0 MK1 wrote:Make Faction Warfare matter. Let CCP know that we as the players want low level and high level players split.
bring back corp battles and let us spend up all the isk fightin it out against the corps we are on the same level with.
I am the real Darken
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Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
302
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:02:00 -
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RedZer0 MK1 wrote:Make Faction Warfare matter. Let CCP know that we as the players want low level and high level players split.
"You" as a player want them split. I happily played against high level players in my infancy. Many of us played against Teamplayers and Imperfects in their prime and were better for it. The average game was a lot scarier back then when a proto squad showed up. Splitting an already small playerbase is not the answer. CCP should adjust the TTK slightly to allow new players with twitch skill a chance to overcome their lack of SP.
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Assault Chileanme
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
41
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Posted - 2014.01.25 01:55:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:Splitting an already small playerbase is not the answer. CCP should adjust the TTK slightly to allow new players with twitch skill a chance to overcome their lack of SP.
I agree with most of that, adjusting the TTK would greatly help by adding the ability to use tactics and intelligence to try to overcome obstacles rather than being stuck as cannon fodder for people with more SP. Also letting Scotty take a little longer to try to get better team compositions instead of just fast teams would go a long way without needing to split the playerbase. I think letting new and experience people play together is a great part of the game, they just need to quit stacking the deck against the new guys.
In a different way I think decreasing the difference that SP can provide to combat effectiveness would also help a lot. Rewarding people to that extent who have been playing longer and/or don't have real life commitments that limits their available play time just seems like poor game design. Not to mention the fact that a lot of casual players would probably be more inclined to spend their money on AUR to try new things and catch up if they felt that it was worth sticking around. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2607
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:03:00 -
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I think they need to increase the payouts so it's not as much of a beat down to die a lot PLUS realize you just lost a ton of ISK.
There have been more good fights during this event than I can remember. It's because of the increased SP payout.
Imagine how awesome it would be to have a 5x ISK for WP event instead of SP.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Jamie Insano
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:53:00 -
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How many times am I going to hear "If you don't like it just quit" from the players responsible for exploiting all the imbalance issues of the game.
No, if I don't like it I just grenade suicide myself over and over until everyone on my team quits the battle and the other team gets no kills. In fact, doing so is MORE FUN than trying to play against the DBAGS who try to ruin it for everyone else.
I invite everyone else who is dissatisfied with DUST, the excuses, and everything else to actively disrupt play in any way shape or form.
In an average match of ambush, you can grenade suicide about 50 times. It only takes one player doing this to completely ruin the match, so if a couple more started in...... |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
915
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:58:00 -
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Jamie Insano wrote:How many times am I going to hear "If you don't like it just quit" from the players responsible for exploiting all the imbalance issues of the game.
No, if I don't like it I just grenade suicide myself over and over until everyone on my team quits the battle and the other team gets no kills. In fact, doing so is MORE FUN than trying to play against the DBAGS who try to ruin it for everyone else.
I invite everyone else who is dissatisfied with DUST, the excuses, and everything else to actively disrupt play in any way shape or form.
In an average match of ambush, you can grenade suicide about 50 times. It only takes one player doing this to completely ruin the match, so if a couple more started in......
Quote:A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about.
The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevents him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant |
Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:24:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:You're the one complaining about too many tanks, I look forward to their deployment and relish the challenge and am good at it. Tank slaying ability is my subjective metric. Nah I'm being an *******. Sorry dude, I'm just roughhousing you.  This forum is changing me... 
Yah man you are right. Whilst tank slaying in your dreams might be your forte unfortunately it aint mine.
Mine is with sleeping with hot celebs;- last night I had a m+¬nage +á trois with Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez.
Must be nice where you are at;- the mind of a delusional idiot is a wonderful thing.
The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
194
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:34:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:Remove all sorts of prototype and advanced gear.
Remove tanks and ADS.
Remove damage and hp %-bonuses from skills.
Go back to the drawing board.
The amount of stomping going on is beyond ridiculous and is not fun whether you are on the receiving end or if your team is stomping.
We could rename it CoD:F2P and just rip out the bare minimum connection we have with EVE. Your idea is so great.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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Rorick Crawely
SMARTCREW
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
15
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:35:00 -
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I'm currently leveling my alt to become main char so I'm sitting with 4mil SP after about two months and I'm not really getting stomped anymore. Hell, even in the beginning with my militia gear I was pulling even (It was tough, but not world ending) and I'm play playing as a dedicated Scout. Once you've got the mechanics of the game down I don't see how someone who's half decent at FPS games or has been playing for 16months is getting proto stomped. |
sira draco
Ancient Erectiles
64
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:48:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:How long have you played DUST for? It doesnt matter how long you have played this game;- currently there are only 2 game modes and that is stomp or get stomped. There is nothing much you can do when 6 tanks get dropped on you in a pub match and inspite of taking out tanks there are always 6 tanks on the field. #NewHole
I agree its boring on either side of the stomping, and one thing that these ultra competitive tryhards are forgetting is that A GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN, PROTOSTOMPING IS NOT FUN ITS BORING, ITS TOO EASY |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1360
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:00:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
Who's your main?
It does not matter. It would not change the facts. All I can say is, that I am lucky that I have started playing this game way back when there were not that many people in full proto gear and nearly indestructible tanks. If I was starting to play this game today I would certainly not play for more than a few days. Hell, even getting shot by dumb-fire Swarm Launchers in closed beta was more fun than what this game is today.
Take away everything we've gotten since then and give us back dumbfires.
I remember raging about them back then, was still more fun than some of the matches I've been in recently (probably has something to do with Skirmish 1.0).
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
1064
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:03:00 -
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Zombie Knife wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:How long have you played DUST for? 16 months
One like per month, hunh?
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HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
510
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:06:00 -
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Getting stomped isnt bad. Spending game after game after game after game after game hidng from tanks/being corraled by tanks then killed by scrubs is what sucks.
Losing to the better man:np.
Losing to scrubs in tanks: f-ing stupid.
You are welcome for my leadership
*Proven Aggressive Type
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1360
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:13:00 -
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sira draco wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:How long have you played DUST for? It doesnt matter how long you have played this game;- currently there are only 2 game modes and that is stomp or get stomped. There is nothing much you can do when 6 tanks get dropped on you in a pub match and inspite of taking out tanks there are always 6 tanks on the field. #NewHole I agree its boring on either side of the stomping, and one thing that these ultra competitive tryhards are forgetting is that A GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN, PROTOSTOMPING IS NOT FUN ITS BORING, ITS TOO EASY
FTFY
Reason: Added emphasis
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
556
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:19:00 -
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Remember, CCP absolutely hates any kind of new/casual players. They would much rather have a player count of 3k then do anything to help.
What else explains poorly done gamemodes that only funnel every single player back into pubs? Why kick every new player from the academy so soon? Why have God awful matchmaking that would rather pit 2 full squads against random new/casual players than have those 2 squads fight each other? Why design terrible events that are only meant to reward WP whoring and slaughtering of as many people as possible in as little time as possible? Eve has an escape, high-sec, Dust has none.
Quitting is the best answer. The game is only a place for bitter vets anymore. |
Clone D
Grundstein Automation
100
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:43:00 -
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Jamie Insano wrote:I invite everyone else who is dissatisfied with DUST, the excuses, and everything else to actively disrupt play in any way shape or form.
Awesome!
There are other less misanthropic behaviors as well. For instance, take turns hacking a CRU/SD with an opponent, like described in this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=138496&find=unread
Grundstein Automation
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Munin-Frey
Fish Spotters Inc.
110
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:50:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Zombie Knife wrote:Remove all sorts of prototype and advanced gear.
Remove tanks and ADS.
Remove damage and hp %-bonuses from skills.
Go back to the drawing board.
The amount of stomping going on is beyond ridiculous and is not fun whether you are on the receiving end or if your team is stomping. Easier solution: Squad-free battle modes. No more battles with stacked sides vs. solo players. Everybody's happy.
I agree with this. Dust really, REALLY favors team play. CCP should have a game mode for blueberries where people like me who have no interest in running in a squad can just run around and shoot some stuff without constantly being overrun 6 to 1
Closed Beta Veteran
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