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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:27:00 -
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Im not talking about driving them (very bad at it) but fighting them is so much fun now. It now takes skill abd team work, which is how it should be. I find now il try and get behind tanks before i shoot. And get the most damage out of my forge gun as possible. I played a game last night with 6 enemy tanks on the field, my sqd and i managed to take them all on and more, with a total 11 tanks destroyed by the end of the game. i went negative but the isk payout made it worth it. Very pleased with vehicle warfare i think CCP did a great job and it does feel balanced from an AVer perspective.
Original AFK Hunter
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Vapor Forseti
THE-TITANS
17
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:30:00 -
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When I grow up, I wanna be like this guy.
The Captain of THE-TITANS and proud Militia Pub Stomper.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
303
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:34:00 -
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Bad troll is Bad .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2272
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:36:00 -
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OP needs a flame suit
You used teamwork
You actually killed a tank let alone 11 of them
You didnt care that you went negative
You made ISK i assume
You are pleased with vehicles
You think CCP did a great job
You say Tanks vs AV is balanced
******* hell you have just broke every rule in the book and pissed off 99% of the forums let alone AV and infantry
I think you need a flame proof castle so you can at least live a few more years, that suit isnt strong enough
Intelligence is OP
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
188
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:38:00 -
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It's not trolling. I got smoked a couple of times yesterday by forge gunners. And im not a bad tank driver.
Kudos to the OP for choosing not to be a part of the whiney b*tch-faction on these messageboards. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
813
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:56:00 -
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OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2272
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:00:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags.
lolmoldylabia
Your even worse than me for rolling around pubs in tanks, ive seen you all bring out 1 tank each lol in successive games
Intelligence is OP
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
815
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Posted - 2014.01.24 18:11:00 -
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Is that all you've got? pity... I made the post not my corp, try to stay on topic |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2277
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:54:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Is that all you've got? pity... I made the post not my corp, try to stay on topic
You make a post, your repping your corp its how it goes on a forum
You linked me with R* and now your crying when i took the **** out of you and your corp because ive seen your double standards in game and called you out on it
Difference is i didnt hide my corp/alliance if anyone takes the ****, you do, you ashamed of your corp and alliance?
Intelligence is OP
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Tectonic Fusion
1006
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Posted - 2014.01.24 20:58:00 -
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It's easy to solo sicas and somas. Just get a militia minja with packed AV grenades and basic remote explosives.
Solo Player
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3892
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:28:00 -
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Now what exactly did the enemy tank require?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3892
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:32:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Is that all you've got? pity... I made the post not my corp, try to stay on topic You make a post, your repping your corp its how it goes on a forum You linked me with R* and now your crying when i took the **** out of you and your corp because ive seen your double standards in game and called you out on it Difference is i didnt hide my corp/alliance if anyone takes the ****, you do, you ashamed of your corp and alliance?
I know some Red Star guy ain't talking about spamming tanks. Could the pot be calling the kettle any blacker?
Have to say it 'bro', but your entire response to him was QQ.
L2Forum.
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:33:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags.
Yea I use proto gear, have since start of open beta. Iv played this game for more than a year and in that time iv amassed quite a fortune of isk. So I choose to use proto because I can afford to and why not? And yeah militia tanks are very easy. You can solo them. It's the more advanced tanks that need 2-3 forge gunners firing at once that are more of a challenge.
Tanks are tough to beat but not impossible which is how it should be. You must be a complete noob if ur complaining that tanks are OP. The Butthurt really shines through your post.
Original AFK Hunter
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3892
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:38:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags. Yea I use proto gear, have since start of open beta. Iv played this game for more than a year and in that time iv amassed quite a fortune of isk. So I choose to use proto because I can afford to and why not? And yeah militia tanks are very easy. You can solo them. It's the more advanced tanks that need 2-3 forge gunners firing at once that are more of a challenge. Tanks are tough to beat but not impossible which is how it should be. You must be a complete noob if ur complaining that tanks are OP. The Butthurt really shines through your post.
So requiring 2-3 people to destroy 1 person is balanced? Seems legit.
Not saying that being tough to beat is a bad thing, it's actually a good thing. But when a single unit requires multiple unit's to destroy, there is a problem.
Call his post butthurt if you want. Doesn't make what's saying any less true.
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:51:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags. Yea I use proto gear, have since start of open beta. Iv played this game for more than a year and in that time iv amassed quite a fortune of isk. So I choose to use proto because I can afford to and why not? And yeah militia tanks are very easy. You can solo them. It's the more advanced tanks that need 2-3 forge gunners firing at once that are more of a challenge. Tanks are tough to beat but not impossible which is how it should be. You must be a complete noob if ur complaining that tanks are OP. The Butthurt really shines through your post. So requiring 2-3 people to destroy 1 person is balanced? Seems legit. Not saying that being tough to beat is a bad thing, it's actually a good thing. But when a single unit requires multiple unit's to destroy, there is a problem. Call his post butthurt if you want. Doesn't make what's saying any less true.
But that where the fun is. Coordinating with 2 other guys to take out a tank in a matter of seconds, getting a rush of adrenalin as u help to deal the final blows. Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
Original AFK Hunter
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.01.24 21:54:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags. Yea I use proto gear, have since start of open beta. Iv played this game for more than a year and in that time iv amassed quite a fortune of isk. So I choose to use proto because I can afford to and why not? And yeah militia tanks are very easy. You can solo them. It's the more advanced tanks that need 2-3 forge gunners firing at once that are more of a challenge. Tanks are tough to beat but not impossible which is how it should be. You must be a complete noob if ur complaining that tanks are OP. The Butthurt really shines through your post.
The point is not that you are a bad guy, the point is that your experience is not typical. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3892
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:22:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP needs a flame suit
You used teamwork
You actually killed a tank let alone 11 of them
You didnt care that you went negative
You made ISK i assume
You are pleased with vehicles
You think CCP did a great job
You say Tanks vs AV is balanced
******* hell you have just broke every rule in the book and pissed off 99% of the forums let alone AV and infantry
I think you need a flame proof castle so you can at least live a few more years, that suit isnt strong enough
When I did half of stuff to tankers, a flame CONTINENT couldn't even save me. Let alone a castle.
Don't act so high and mighty when you aren't. It makes you look bad.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3892
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:30:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:
But that where the fun is. Coordinating with 2 other guys to take out a tank in a matter of seconds, getting a rush of adrenalin as u help to deal the final blows. Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
So your saying that I should be able to simply buy an advantage by using a vehicle?
Man, that actually doesn't sound like a bad idea right about now.. Using gear that gives me the power of 3.
Why I'm sure that everyone had lots of fun when the Logistics class had the power of 3. Right?
1=1. Not 1=3.
Please. If you are going to pretend as if you speak for the Anti-Vehicle community, at least learn basic math skills.
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manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
21
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:31:00 -
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I hit a madrugar without its hardeners in the weak spot with a breach forge gun and it went down to 1400 HP in one shot. I just threw a couple av nades and laughed as he went negative isk.
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
No, not alive thankfully
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3892
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:34:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:I hit a madrugar without its hardeners in the weak spot with a breach forge gun and it went down to 1400 HP in one shot. I just threw a couple av nades and laughed as he went negative isk.
Considering how your average Madrugar costs about 100k, I highly doubt that he went ISK Negative.
Heck, if he AFK'd for the entire match he still could have broke even.
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manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2014.01.24 22:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:I hit a madrugar without its hardeners in the weak spot with a breach forge gun and it went down to 1400 HP in one shot. I just threw a couple av nades and laughed as he went negative isk. Considering how your average Madrugar costs about 100k, I highly doubt that he went ISK Negative. Heck, if he AFK'd for the entire match he still could have broke even.
You're forgetting fancy schmancy turrets. He had a particle cannon. They cost a lot. A madrugar costs around 150k with decent modules, not counting turret.
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
No, not alive thankfully
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
930
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:
But that where the fun is. Coordinating with 2 other guys to take out a tank in a matter of seconds, getting a rush of adrenalin as u help to deal the final blows. Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
So your saying that I should be able to simply buy an advantage by using a vehicle? Man, that actually doesn't sound like a bad idea right about now.. Using gear that gives me the power of 3. Why I'm sure that everyone had lots of fun when the Logistics class had the power of 3. Right? 1=1. Not 1=3. Please. If you are going to pretend as if you speak for the Anti-Vehicle community, at least learn basic math skills. im not speaking for the community, just my experiences. Im sorry if your finding it tough to play a team game, maybe you should go back to COD or something... do ur homework and realize where CCP has come from. EVE where it could take many ships to destroy one. you should really do your own math if you think one guy with a few hundred hp should realistically take on something with a few thousand.
Original AFK Hunter
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3898
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:02:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:Atiim wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:
But that where the fun is. Coordinating with 2 other guys to take out a tank in a matter of seconds, getting a rush of adrenalin as u help to deal the final blows. Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
So your saying that I should be able to simply buy an advantage by using a vehicle? Man, that actually doesn't sound like a bad idea right about now.. Using gear that gives me the power of 3. Why I'm sure that everyone had lots of fun when the Logistics class had the power of 3. Right? 1=1. Not 1=3. Please. If you are going to pretend as if you speak for the Anti-Vehicle community, at least learn basic math skills. im not speaking for the community, just my experiences. Im sorry if your finding it tough to play a team game, maybe you should go back to COD or something... do ur homework and realize where CCP has come from. EVE where it could take many ships to destroy one. you should really do your own math if you think one guy with a few hundred hp should realistically take on something with a few thousand.
You aren't speaking for the Anti-Vehicle community, yet you said this:
Big Popa Smurff wrote: .....from an AVer perspective.
Which implies that what you are saying is from the perspective of the typical Anti-Vehicle user; which would be generalizing and attempting to represent the community.
If I said, "From an American perspective, fast food is the best type of food," would you not agree that this statement implies that I am speaking for the general American population?
I have no problems playing a "team game" as long as ALL players are required to be part of the team. ~ Which tankers do not, nor have they ever. If you preach teamwork, then why not force all pieces of the puzzle to utilize it as opposed to one?
This game isn't EVE. You cannot expect every mechanic imported from a Space-craft Simulator MMO into a First Person Shooter and expect it to work.
Even if, a battle in EVE Online can be 1000 vs. 1000. You could have the numbers to allow this to be balanced because your team can afford to field extra people to deal with a target. DUST 514 features 16 vs. 16 battles at best.
If the person with a few hundred HP is wielding a weapon dealing a few thousand HP, then yes the one person should be able to take on the one person with a few thousand HP.
If you truly believe that a 1 person should not be able to take on 1 person simply because of HP values, then you would request a nerf to Shotguns and Nova Knives, as by your logic alone; Scouts/Light Frames should not be able to take on heavies in a 1v1 and win.
Here's a question for you:
Atiim wrote:Should I as a single unit have the ability to purchase item(s) that would require multiple people to destroy?
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
931
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:16:00 -
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Il just keep this short Atiim. You find it difficult to take out a tank, I dont. Simple answer... GET GOOD SCRUB. 
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Darken-Soul
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:40:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP needs a flame suit
You used teamwork
You actually killed a tank let alone 11 of them
You didnt care that you went negative
You made ISK i assume
You are pleased with vehicles
You think CCP did a great job
You say Tanks vs AV is balanced
******* hell you have just broke every rule in the book and pissed off 99% of the forums let alone AV and infantry
I think you need a flame proof castle so you can at least live a few more years, that suit isnt strong enough
You really licked his ass.
I am the real Darken
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Rusty Shallows
891
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:53:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
That is so true. Although in my case it is more than, "a bit."
However from the title I was excepting a scything sarcasm about the current mess we are in. Before 1.7 we had a different mess. More things change...
This came across as a Troll Post. Given who the author is I want to believe it is unintentional. Because he's right, good teamwork is more fun than a high place on the match Killboard. How that justifies a grossly unfair advantage is confusing. Alluring in its own right but not very logical.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3902
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Posted - 2014.01.25 02:44:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:Il just keep this short Atiim. You find it difficult to take out a tank, I dont. Simple answer... GET GOOD SCRUB.
Oh noes, he told me to get gud. Whatever shall I do? 
Basically, you couldn't argue against me, so you resorted to an insult that's overused to the point of almost no meaning in the FPS genre? How sad. Even Spkr4TheDead and Tankahiro could do better.
To be fair, I didn't really expect much better from you. After all you don't even know basic addition.
If you find that taking out tanks are easy, then why not take KingBabar's challenge?
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.25 08:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:Il just keep this short Atiim. You find it difficult to take out a tank, I dont. Simple answer... GET GOOD SCRUB. Oh noes, he told me to get gud. Whatever shall I do? Basically, you couldn't argue against me, so you resorted to an insult that's overused to the point of almost no meaning in the FPS genre? How sad. Even Spkr4TheDead and Tankahiro could do better. To be fair, I didn't really expect much better from you. After all you don't even know basic addition. If you find that taking out tanks are easy, then why not take KingBabar's challenge?
Just not arsed mate. I must of hit a nerve somewhere, can't understand why you want to have such a heated debate why I have fun with the game right now and you don't... I know it must be tough to comprehend someone else has a different opinion than you. Though you do sound a bit simple.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
244
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Posted - 2014.01.25 11:48:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags. Yea I use proto gear, have since start of open beta. Iv played this game for more than a year and in that time iv amassed quite a fortune of isk. So I choose to use proto because I can afford to and why not? And yeah militia tanks are very easy. You can solo them. It's the more advanced tanks that need 2-3 forge gunners firing at once that are more of a challenge. Tanks are tough to beat but not impossible which is how it should be. You must be a complete noob if ur complaining that tanks are OP. The Butthurt really shines through your post.
So the post buy kingbabar about thanks and the challenge he posted a cuple of weeks ago is no longer valid?
Oh and yeah keep on proto stomping the noobs out of this game smart move numnuts
War never changes
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
933
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Posted - 2014.01.25 13:19:00 -
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Don't really know what post your on about... Wow such idiots replying to this thread. All I said was I was happy with tanks in 1.7, it's been something I've been hoping they would be like and I've supported the buff tanks threads before 1.7. Being mainly AV I was bored with killing vehicles. It was too easy before.
Don't worry il keep my proto gear that I earned and I'm surprised you haven't left the game already then?
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ER-Bullitt
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:20:00 -
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Not concerned with your wanting to run proto constantly. You earned it, as did I, we should be able to use it when we want agreed.
However, what I don't agree with is you beating your chest that you are a tank smasher when you run a proto suit 24/7 (and we will assume the squads you run in most likely do the same). I have no problems taking out tanks when I roll with my proto buddies from ML and we spam forge guns or other AV, or other tanks.
The problem is that most new players don't have access to proto. There is a big difference between an ishukone assault forge gun and a militia.
The bottom line is your opinion is invalidated BECAUSE you protostomp 24/7 . As I said in my first post, any brain dead moron can be good at this game if they run proto constantly. My concern is new player retention if tanks vs. av aren't fixed (not tanks vs proto av).. unless you feel that infantry should HAVE TO run proto or advanced suits or weapons to stand a chance against a militia tank. Grenades and swarms are almost useless... forge guns are the only somewhat balanced AV weapon right now.
understand?
@ Takashiro Higokami (or whatever) from Red Star... lulz |
ER-Bullitt
826
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:32:00 -
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And for the record I'm very happy tanks finally got looked at, and a buff. However, I do not think CCP got it right and they went a little too far with the buff to tanks survivability through hardeners, improved speed, reduced price, allowing 6 tanks to be called in per side... all along with the nerf to AV (and keeping the recall feature in the game).
Needs tweaking (like Big Poppa's nipples) you protostomper you.. so silly |
Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
933
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:38:00 -
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Im not boasting, i nevet said it was easy. its hard work to take out a tank but thsts what i find enjoyable. think you guys seem to be compaining more about maybe the matchmaking system than tanks in general?
Original AFK Hunter
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
935
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:41:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:And for the record I'm very happy tanks finally got looked at, and a buff. However, I do not think CCP got it right and they went a little too far with the buff to tanks survivability through hardeners, improved speed, reduced price, allowing 6 tanks to be called in per side... all along with the nerf to AV (and keeping the recall feature in the game).
Needs tweaking (like Big Poppa's nipples) you protostomper you.. so silly
What a strange remark... Sorry i dont swing that way....
Original AFK Hunter
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ER-Bullitt
827
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Posted - 2014.01.25 14:58:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:Im not boasting, i nevet said it was easy. its hard work to take out a tank but thsts what i find enjoyable. think you guys seem to be compaining more about maybe the matchmaking system than tanks in general?
You're missing my point, but that's cool. Next time you make a boast thread (and if you re-read your original post, kinda hard to not see it as boasting but whatever) just don't forget to add that you and your squad were running all proto to tackle 6 militia fit scrub tankers. |
Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
185
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:01:00 -
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Personally hardeners should be restricted to one per tank/dropship. I mean, even ships in Star Trek didn't have a module to actively turn on to make the Enterprise invincible for 30 seconds. Hardeners can go, making AV viable again.
Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter
Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
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manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
21
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:05:00 -
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Without hardeners 3 av nades can take a maddy out.. Sorry but thats just not viable. Besides assault dropships, wirykomi swarms and ishukone assault forge guns make short work of tanks... Not to mention remotes, proximity explosives and sleek av nades..
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
No, not alive thankfully
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ER-Bullitt
827
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:08:00 -
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Ya'll would never hear from me again regarding this topic if they reduced the number of HAV's and/or DS"s per side to 3 AND brought back pre 1.7 AV damage. Tanks can keep everything else (hardeners, speed, recall, low price, etc etc etc)
With only 16 players per side, 6 tanks per side is silly.. especially when militia AV barely stands a chance against militia tanks, even in numbers.
Remember when the flaylock was OP and everyone used it? take a look around, the tank spam is worse than ever that doesn't tell ya something? lol |
RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:28:00 -
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I don't have a problem with tankers. I have 2 AV fits. One is a Sever BPO with every proxy made, the other is a proto forgegun. I've solo'd some of the best tankers. It might take me a couple of tries to catch you, but I will. And I will do it just for dat BOOM and I will laugh at your burning heap and it feels so good.
I have to agree with the OP. I also think that being a tanker should require some skill. Militia tanks for everyone is kind of stupid. I remember when a tanker was a rare commodity and there were very few of them, let alone good ones. Now any idiot with a one match payout can buy one. On a balancing issue, you should technically have to skill into tanks to be able to call them in. Then you should have to skill in to turrets to use them as well. And propulsion systems to make them move lol...this list could grow alot.
Then again tank spam means I'm going wreck somebody's mfing day.
We can pickle that.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:34:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:
Just not arsed mate. I must of hit a nerve somewhere, can't understand why you want to have such a heated debate why I have fun with the game right now and you don't... I know it must be tough to comprehend someone else has a different opinion than you. Though you do sound a bit simple.
I could care less if you have a different opinion than me.
But when you try to sell you opinion as common fact, it becomes an issue.
Funny. You say I sound "a bit simple" as if you sound "a bit complex"
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Nothing Certain
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.25 15:47:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:Don't really know what post your on about... Wow such idiots replying to this thread. All I said was I was happy with tanks in 1.7, it's been something I've been hoping they would be like and I've supported the buff tanks threads before 1.7. Being mainly AV I was bored with killing vehicles. It was too easy before.
Don't worry il keep my proto gear that I earned and I'm surprised you haven't left the game already then?
I agree with you that you originally just posted your experience with AV and your opinion. There is really nothing to argue about with that. Some people eat liver and think it is good, arguing with them doesn't change their mind and their opinion is as valid as mine. In subsequent posts though you seem to argue that tanks are balanced and the sole problem is AV incompetency, which is still an opinion, but of a different nature, one which directly challenges other people, the difference between "I like liver" and "those who don't like liver are stupid". Your experience is not the same as the majority of Dust players. You play with a full squad running proto gear, and a dropship and/or tanks probably from what I've seen of RE. (Whether doing that in pubs is cool or douchey is a different topic). Balance would mean you would be able to take out tanks running in organized squads with top tier equipment, and us lowly noob scrubs could take out MLT tanks, that is not the case. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:21:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:
But that where the fun is. Coordinating with 2 other guys to take out a tank in a matter of seconds, getting a rush of adrenalin as u help to deal the final blows. Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
So your saying that I should be able to simply buy an advantage by using a vehicle? Man, that actually doesn't sound like a bad idea right about now.. Using gear that gives me the power of 3. Why I'm sure that everyone had lots of fun when the Logistics class had the power of 3. Right? 1=1. Not 1=3. Please. If you are going to pretend as if you speak for the Anti-Vehicle community, at least learn basic math skills.
Atiim is jelly bc he sucks at killing tanks and other people dont.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:24:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:
Atiim is jelly bc he sucks at killing tanks and other people dont.
Then prove it.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:36:00 -
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Big Popa Smurff wrote:Atiim wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:OP is a typical protostomper, always has been. So are the guys he was probably running with. Anyone with half a brain who runs in s squad that spams proto suits should be able to deal with a bunch of militia tanks. derrrr
His opinion is skewed and does not paint a clear picture of the infantry versus tank imbalance. Especially if you look at the big picture from the new player, or non-proto stomper.
Forum warriors like Takashiro whatever from Red Star couldn't give two ***** about the new player experience.. they just happy rolling around in their OP tanks.
Good job douchebags. Yea I use proto gear, have since start of open beta. Iv played this game for more than a year and in that time iv amassed quite a fortune of isk. So I choose to use proto because I can afford to and why not? And yeah militia tanks are very easy. You can solo them. It's the more advanced tanks that need 2-3 forge gunners firing at once that are more of a challenge. Tanks are tough to beat but not impossible which is how it should be. You must be a complete noob if ur complaining that tanks are OP. The Butthurt really shines through your post. So requiring 2-3 people to destroy 1 person is balanced? Seems legit. Not saying that being tough to beat is a bad thing, it's actually a good thing. But when a single unit requires multiple unit's to destroy, there is a problem. Call his post butthurt if you want. Doesn't make what's saying any less true. But that where the fun is. Coordinating with 2 other guys to take out a tank in a matter of seconds, getting a rush of adrenalin as u help to deal the final blows. Working as a team is a bit more satisfying than being a lone wolf.
As long as there is just one or two tanks I could agree, but to fight 4 or 5 tanks at the same time would require most of your team leaving you vulnerable to infantry at the same time. All thi it requires 3 to beat havs is fine arguments seem to assume that the rest of the hav drivers team sits in the mcc afking..? |
Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:51:00 -
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The issue is that we have people paying and skilling into proto AV, and going against standard vehicles. Before, it was tipped towards the AV side, and vehicle pilots rightly complained about it, since they didn't have proto vehicles to skill in in order to tank proto AV. Now it's tipped too far in the other direction, with standard vehicles able to take the hits from proto AV, especially swarms, and keep on chugging.
CCP would never do it, but I would remove advanced and proto AV, then buff standard AV to proto levels and militia AV to advanced levels. Have standard variants of AV as well. Then once they add in advanced and proto vehicles, they can add advanced and proto AV back into the game at a suitable power level. |
manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:17:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The issue is that we have people paying and skilling into proto AV, and going against standard vehicles. Before, it was tipped towards the AV side, and vehicle pilots rightly complained about it, since they didn't have proto vehicles to skill in in order to tank proto AV. Now it's tipped too far in the other direction, with standard vehicles able to take the hits from proto AV, especially swarms, and keep on chugging.
CCP would never do it, but I would remove advanced and proto AV, then buff standard AV to proto levels and militia AV to advanced levels. Have standard variants of AV as well. Then once they add in advanced and proto vehicles, they can add advanced and proto AV back into the game at a suitable power level.
LOL LOL LOL
seriously. make a fit. any fit.
go stand next to a wirykomi swarm launcher. it will 3 shot you without hardeners on. go stand next to ishukone assault forge gun, it will 2 shot you.
put hardeners on: OMG MY TANK IS BREAKING. it will effectively kill you given you don't run as soon you start taking hits.
The reason people say tanks are OP is because they can effectively negate damage using 3 things:
1. Terrain, pew pew, swarms no work.
2. Speed. MWAHAH i run away, puny legs no follow.
3. Hardeners. KAMEHAMEHAAAAA super mode! i can tank double the damage i would normally!
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
No, not alive thankfully
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:27:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The issue is that we have people paying and skilling into proto AV, and going against standard vehicles. Before, it was tipped towards the AV side, and vehicle pilots rightly complained about it, since they didn't have proto vehicles to skill in in order to tank proto AV. Now it's tipped too far in the other direction, with standard vehicles able to take the hits from proto AV, especially swarms, and keep on chugging.
CCP would never do it, but I would remove advanced and proto AV, then buff standard AV to proto levels and militia AV to advanced levels. Have standard variants of AV as well. Then once they add in advanced and proto vehicles, they can add advanced and proto AV back into the game at a suitable power level.
Like we are going to get adv/proto vehicles, we havnt had them for months now, if anything maybe we get a defensive/attacking vehicles with a bonus attached to it if we are very ******* lucky
Intelligence is OP
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:32:00 -
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Being in a tank isn't too much fun though, almost every fight I have been in has been Vs a Rail Stacking Damage Mods, shooting from a mounatin or redline.
I just want to have intense 1v1 Blaster fights again.
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manboar thunder fist
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:42:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Being in a tank isn't too much fun though, almost every fight I have been in has been Vs a Rail Stacking Damage Mods, shooting from a mounatin or redline. I just want to have intense 1v1 Blaster fights again.
What the AWESOME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XmHKMvzlec
1.8 will shoot my amarr logi in the face with an ion pistol then bury it under a caldari heavy.
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.26 13:53:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Being in a tank isn't too much fun though, almost every fight I have been in has been Vs a Rail Stacking Damage Mods, shooting from a mounatin or redline. I just want to have intense 1v1 Blaster fights again. What the AWESOME http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XmHKMvzlec
Thats in Ambush man, Rail tankers have nowhere to hide in Ambush.
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.26 14:02:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Big Popa Smurff wrote:Don't really know what post your on about... Wow such idiots replying to this thread. All I said was I was happy with tanks in 1.7, it's been something I've been hoping they would be like and I've supported the buff tanks threads before 1.7. Being mainly AV I was bored with killing vehicles. It was too easy before.
Don't worry il keep my proto gear that I earned and I'm surprised you haven't left the game already then? I agree with you that you originally just posted your experience with AV and your opinion. There is really nothing to argue about with that. Some people eat liver and think it is good, arguing with them doesn't change their mind and their opinion is as valid as mine. In subsequent posts though you seem to argue that tanks are balanced and the sole problem is AV incompetency, which is still an opinion, but of a different nature, one which directly challenges other people, the difference between "I like liver" and "those who don't like liver are stupid". Your experience is not the same as the majority of Dust players. You play with a full squad running proto gear, and a dropship and/or tanks probably from what I've seen of RE. (Whether doing that in pubs is cool or douchey is a different topic). Balance would mean you would be able to take out tanks running in organized squads with top tier equipment, and us lowly noob scrubs could take out MLT tanks, that is not the case.
il agree with you I did not word my posts correctly or did I really realise that its harder for the lower tier guys. But il still think that maybe infantry were too used to easy killings of tanks before 1.7 and maybe don't know how to combat them now. but all im saying that it is possible and it is not as hard as it is made out to be.
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