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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1676	Posted - 2014.01.24 11:43:00 - [1] - Quote Assault rifle: "Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. [1] The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. It is a magazine-fed, [3]short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point." [1] The best accuracy comes from the AScR when zoomed and the best hipfire accuracy comes from the Rail rifle. Please change to "Offers the worst accuracy of any gun in its class, even though it's operational range requires good accuracy". [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to sub optimal rof for sub optimal range and sub optimal bursts. Sorry but you better go Minmatar" [3] Since it has the shortest range and it doesn't match any other gun in range it is a short to short range weapon please change to "short". I think the entire description is best summarized as " A sub-optimal weapon best used a SP sink or to change your difficulty, best erupts when used with a scout. It offers no real advantages over any other weapon available even though all those weapons have extreme advantages over this one. Use of this weapon comes with no warranty to your PS3 hardware if you proceed to smash them in rage from being destroyed by every other rifle." When the Assault rifle is working as intended please use this definition: "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the-árailgunexcept they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." Armor and Shields are not the same!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3515	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:18:00 - [2] - Quote +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1676	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:25:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. if your good with that you should try the CR and you will be better. As for the AR I do well with it, but I do better with the RR mainly because it is a better gun. And this is a PROF V AR vs a level 1 RR. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 507	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:45:00 - [4] - Quote To be honest the last time I saw a burst AR in the killfeed was as I used it myself to give it a try. Sometimes I still see the Breach AR and TAC but it is mainly the base AR. And even this weapon I rarely see due to RR spam. Regarding the performance of the Burst AR compared to the CR the CR wins in every aspect by a LARGE margin. Pro CR More damage More Rof More Range Less fitting reqs cheaper Pro Burst AR 6 bullets more per clip ...
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1679	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:31:00 - [5] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: To be honest the last time I saw a burst AR in the killfeed was as I used it myself to give it a try. Sometimes I still see the Breach AR and TAC but it is mainly the base AR. And even this weapon I rarely see due to RR spam. Regarding the performance of the Burst AR compared to the CR the CR wins in every aspect by a LARGE margin. Pro CR More damage More Rof More Range Less fitting reqs cheaper Pro Burst AR 6 bullets more per clip ... Pretty much every new gun that gets released does this, it out classes everything else until it gets nerfed or the outclassed gun gets buffed. Either or the cycle will reverse and go on for eternity. Armor and Shields are not the same!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1081	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:34:00 - [6] - Quote Nice original and inventive way of presenting a whinge. Much better than the typical "wah wah wah". RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1679	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:38:00 - [7] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Nice original and inventive way of presenting a whinge. Much better than the typical "wah wah wah". I felt creative today ;) Armor and Shields are not the same!
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1033	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:52:00 - [8] - Quote They could make the Breach AR and TAC AR more viable by 1) Swapping their damage 2) Swapping their Clip Size and maybe make the breach 25 rounds 3) Giving the TAC its old fire rate This would make the breach a high damage, slow RoF, short range weapon and the TAC would be a long range, medium damage, semi auto. This would actually follow the both weapon descriptions as well. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Teilka Darkmist 61	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:57:00 - [9] - Quote [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 981	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:07:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. lol I almost died "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die 230	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:14:00 - [11] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Assault rifle: The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to slow rof by conventional standards, and the worst burst weapon ever conceived. Sorry but you better go Minmatar". Plasma weapons and projectile weapons are considered different classes. May Scout's rise up again, and bring forth terror upon their enemies. Among the last of BHD Dust 514 Private Beta Vet
Callidus Vanus Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 202	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:18:00 - [12] - Quote Remember when people were bitching the AR was op? Good times. If you are reading this then you are on the forums, leave immediately to retain your enjoyment of Dust 514.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 329	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:26:00 - [13] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Assault rifle: "Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. [1] The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. It is a magazine-fed, [3]short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point." [1] The best accuracy comes from the AScR when zoomed and the best hipfire accuracy comes from the Rail rifle. Please change to "Offers the worst accuracy of any gun in its class, even though it's operational range requires good accuracy". [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to slow rof by conventional standards, and the worst burst weapon ever conceived. Sorry but you better go Minmatar". [3] Since it has the shortest range and it doesn't match any other gun in range it is a short to short range weapon please change to "short". I think the entire description is best summarized as, "A sub-optimal weapon best used a SP sink or to change your difficulty, best when used with a Gallente scout and their oh so godly 3 hp/s repair. It offers no real advantages over any other weapon available, even though all those weapons will have extreme advantages over this one. Use of this weapon comes with no warranty to your PS3 hardware if you proceed to smash them in rage from being destroyed by every other rifle." When the Assault rifle is working as intended please use this definition: "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the-árailgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." Wrong Wrong and...Wrong. [1] "anything in it's class" is not Racial Rifles but rifles develloped by Gallente. AR is the best rifle develloped by Gallente about accuracy and containement. You missed the interpretation of the text. [2] "longer burst of fire" don't talk about the burst version at all it speak about the normal version. It deals goot damage over time. => That's what it means. [3] ADV and Proto can shoot further 60 meters => This is Mid-Range son. Yes All 4 rifles need a rework. But AR is definetely not a trash. It instant kills almost everybody. (like the otherw rifles since hit-detection.)
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 203	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:32:00 - [14] - Quote best hipfire imo is carthum ASR. tis why i carry it in my tank. but yeah the descriptions are waaay off. VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 560	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:48:00 - [15] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Assault rifle: "Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. [1] The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. It is a magazine-fed, [3]short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point." [1] The best accuracy comes from the AScR when zoomed and the best hipfire accuracy comes from the Rail rifle. Please change to "Offers the worst accuracy of any gun in its class, even though it's operational range requires good accuracy". [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to slow rof by conventional standards, and the worst burst weapon ever conceived. Sorry but you better go Minmatar". [3] Since it has the shortest range and it doesn't match any other gun in range it is a short to short range weapon please change to "short". I think the entire description is best summarized as, "A sub-optimal weapon best used a SP sink or to change your difficulty, best when used with a Gallente scout and their oh so godly 3 hp/s repair. It offers no real advantages over any other weapon available, even though all those weapons will have extreme advantages over this one. Use of this weapon comes with no warranty to your PS3 hardware if you proceed to smash them in rage from being destroyed by every other rifle." When the Assault rifle is working as intended please use this definition: "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the-árailgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." OK if ccp does buff the AR add an overheat feature. Also I wouldn't mind my rr having a less accurate hipfire that just means I can spray and pray even better We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 560	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:49:00 - [16] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Assault rifle: "Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. [1] The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. It is a magazine-fed, [3]short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point." [1] The best accuracy comes from the AScR when zoomed and the best hipfire accuracy comes from the Rail rifle. Please change to "Offers the worst accuracy of any gun in its class, even though it's operational range requires good accuracy". [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to slow rof by conventional standards, and the worst burst weapon ever conceived. Sorry but you better go Minmatar". [3] Since it has the shortest range and it doesn't match any other gun in range it is a short to short range weapon please change to "short". I think the entire description is best summarized as, "A sub-optimal weapon best used a SP sink or to change your difficulty, best when used with a Gallente scout and their oh so godly 3 hp/s repair. It offers no real advantages over any other weapon available, even though all those weapons will have extreme advantages over this one. Use of this weapon comes with no warranty to your PS3 hardware if you proceed to smash them in rage from being destroyed by every other rifle." When the Assault rifle is working as intended please use this definition: "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the-árailgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." OK if ccp does buff the AR add an overheat feature. Also I wouldn't mind my rr having a less accurate hipfire that just means I can spray and pray even better We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1682	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:53:00 - [17] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Wrong Wrong and...Wrong. [1] "anything in it's class" is not Racial Rifles but rifles develloped by Gallente. AR is the best rifle develloped by Gallente about accuracy and containement. You missed the interpretation of the text. [2] "longer burst of fire" don't talk about the burst version at all it speak about the normal version. It deals goot damage over time. => That's what it means. [3] ADV and Proto can shoot further 60 meters => This is Mid-Range son. Yes All 4 rifles need a rework. But AR is definetely not a trash. It instant kills almost everybody. (like the otherw rifles since hit-detection.) Yea except every other rifle fullfils this "class" better. AR is the best rifle by the Gallente because it's the only rifle they develop lol... Longer burst of fire means high clip and high rof, but that title goes to the Minmatar ACR, as for burst damage I had to add in the CR because this post is obviously more than just the AR... maybe you missed the interpretation? ADV and Proto shoot at 44 and 48 respectively after that they do not do full damage so any range outside of that is meaningless. The RR does full damage at 78 meters that's 40% range difference yet they both do the same amount of damage that's short to long not mid to long. The CR does full damage at 66 meters a 30% difference this is truly short to mid. The AR is not trash by the standard that it does shoot and it can kill but the bar of a good rifle has been raised so high that the AR cannot compete. And thus using the AR is really just purposely gimping yourself for nothing. Armor and Shields are not the same!
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 88	Posted - 2014.01.24 15:00:00 - [18] - Quote Gallante is supposed to have superior technology but thir AR is terrible compared to CR and RR
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1683	Posted - 2014.01.24 15:01:00 - [19] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. "Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today." Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 331	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:03:00 - [20] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Wrong Wrong and...Wrong. [1] "anything in it's class" is not Racial Rifles but rifles develloped by Gallente. AR is the best rifle develloped by Gallente about accuracy and containement. You missed the interpretation of the text. [2] "longer burst of fire" don't talk about the burst version at all it speak about the normal version. It deals goot damage over time. => That's what it means. [3] ADV and Proto can shoot further 60 meters => This is Mid-Range son. Yes All 4 rifles need a rework. But AR is definetely not a trash. It instant kills almost everybody. (like the otherw rifles since hit-detection.) Yea except every other rifle fullfils this "class" better. AR is the best rifle by the Gallente because it's the only rifle they develop lol... Longer burst of fire means high clip and high rof, but that title goes to the Minmatar ACR, as for burst damage I had to add in the CR because this post is obviously more than just the AR... maybe you missed the interpretation? ADV and Proto shoot at 44 and 48 respectively after that they do not do full damage so any range outside of that is meaningless. The RR does full damage at 78 meters that's 40% range difference yet they both do the same amount of damage that's short to long not mid to long. The CR does full damage at 66 meters a 30% difference this is truly short to mid. The AR is not trash by the standard that it does shoot and it can kill but the bar of a good rifle has been raised so high that the AR cannot compete. And thus using the AR is really just purposely gimping yourself for nothing. Everytime you said it sucks because you compair it to the others rifle. It's not trash it's the others rifles the problem. CR is totally OP and deserve a HUGE nerf stop using it as a comparative. AR is the weapon that supposed to be a Close range-Mid. RR is a long range weapon you can't compair it and complain about range..... Like compairing range of HMG and Sniper..... As you said it's a good weapon it has been overclassed by te others rifle YES but it's still an OP weapon for dropsuits. Heavily Nerf CR. Mid Nerf RR and SCR. Low nerf AR. All rifles need the damn hell NerfHammer. TTk is the problem not the solution. Stop asking weapons to always been MORE POWERFUL because there's a weapon better. Nerf the weapon that is better to be at the same level.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1685	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:18:00 - [21] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Wrong Wrong and...Wrong. [1] "anything in it's class" is not Racial Rifles but rifles develloped by Gallente. AR is the best rifle develloped by Gallente about accuracy and containement. You missed the interpretation of the text. [2] "longer burst of fire" don't talk about the burst version at all it speak about the normal version. It deals goot damage over time. => That's what it means. [3] ADV and Proto can shoot further 60 meters => This is Mid-Range son. Yes All 4 rifles need a rework. But AR is definetely not a trash. It instant kills almost everybody. (like the otherw rifles since hit-detection.) Yea except every other rifle fullfils this "class" better. AR is the best rifle by the Gallente because it's the only rifle they develop lol... Longer burst of fire means high clip and high rof, but that title goes to the Minmatar ACR, as for burst damage I had to add in the CR because this post is obviously more than just the AR... maybe you missed the interpretation? ADV and Proto shoot at 44 and 48 respectively after that they do not do full damage so any range outside of that is meaningless. The RR does full damage at 78 meters that's 40% range difference yet they both do the same amount of damage that's short to long not mid to long. The CR does full damage at 66 meters a 30% difference this is truly short to mid. The AR is not trash by the standard that it does shoot and it can kill but the bar of a good rifle has been raised so high that the AR cannot compete. And thus using the AR is really just purposely gimping yourself for nothing. Everytime you said it sucks because you compair it to the others rifle. It's not trash it's the others rifles the problem. CR is totally OP and deserve a HUGE nerf stop using it as a comparative. AR is the weapon that supposed to be a Close range-Mid. RR is a long range weapon you can't compair it and complain about range..... Like compairing range of HMG and Sniper..... As you said it's a good weapon it has been overclassed by te others rifle YES but it's still an OP weapon for dropsuits. Heavily Nerf CR. Mid Nerf RR and SCR. Low nerf AR. All rifles need the damn hell NerfHammer. TTk is the problem not the solution. Stop asking weapons to always been MORE POWERFUL because there's a weapon better. Nerf the weapon that is better to be at the same level. You literally just agreed with me by disagreeing! The AR works but when compared to other rifles is broken... The comparison of the RR and the AR is because the RR can do the CQC just as well, possibly better than the AR. Have you ever used the RR and the AR? Take a look at the hip fire accuracy, the RR is much more accurate. The range of the RR can definitely be used to compare it against the AR because of the DPS discrepancy, what does the RR lose for its range? What does the AR gain for its range? The RR does everything the AR does at a longer range, by this standard the AR does everything the RR can do at half the range. So what is the most logical choice? Obviously the RR because you are gaining the abilities of a short range weapon and a long range weapon. Now if the RR lost some DPS for its range, the choice is now set as to what you want your weapon to do, not how much your weapon can do. Do you want a long range weak weapon or a short range strong weapon? Do you want an accurate hip firing weapon or an accurate ADSed weapon? This is how the balance should be. As for the CR let me tell you that by far it is definitely not the most OP weapon, it could use with a tone down, specially the rof but it's not as OP as you think. Go into a really laggy match with equipment everywhere take a look at the kill feed and tell me how many CRs you see. You won't see much, and whichever you do see those are happening away from the Lag. During high lag the CR actually jams and lowers the RoF to around 500. The assault variant is just extremely overwhelming due to the high clip and high rof, but in reality it's just a long ranged AR just like the RR, again another DPS discrepancy. Although it is also extremely accurate for such high rof.... Also I am not asking for a buff to the AR, in fact every time somebody posts buff the AR I write "No that will ruin the TTK, leave the AR as it is and lower the DPS of other rifles" and basically that's the core problem of every rifle the DPS. The problem with the other guns that are not rifles is how they work. In this game where dying costs you something weapons that can kill you instantly do not bode well. That is why they are all nerfed to hell. I am not saying it's right for then to be nerfed but the cost to play vs the TTK of these weapons did/does not allow them to exist. For example the old flaylock. It was a cheap pistol that could be equipped by any suit, MLT at best and it could kill any suit up to and including prototype for little risk and high reward and a very very short TTK. The old Mass Driver had the same effect, take a look at Core locus grenades numerically they arent that much better than M1 grenades but a lot of people would love to have them nerfed because of how easy they are vs a suit that costs 150k+. This problem can be translated into other weapons like the rifles, but overall each of these weapons that are no longer effective were surpassing every other weapon out there, similarly to how the RR is doing. Those weapons were practically shut down and that is not a good strategy to "fix" them, that's basically removing them from the game but forcing players to suffer for it, because you know skills. For example the Mass driver would make for a great AoE weapon, not meant to kill but to wither the enemy, same with flaylock. The Laser rifle would make for a great counter to long range weapons, but like always each weapon was just to good at everything nd better. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2260	Posted - 2014.01.24 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote In game descriptions? Go ahead and read the description for the Cal Logi. It's so wrong it's funny. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3526	Posted - 2014.01.24 18:20:00 - [23] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Nice original and inventive way of presenting a whinge. Much better than the typical "wah wah wah". I felt creative today ;) He was being sarcastic. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Teilka Darkmist 62	Posted - 2014.01.24 18:37:00 - [24] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. "Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today." Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line. Nowhere in the two examples quoted does either one give a definition for the class of weapons it's in. It's entirely possible that they're each in different classes. The first being a (quoted from the text) 'mass manufactured plasma weapon' the second being a 'rail rifle' for example. The only thing that the two quoted pieces of text shows is that Kaalakiota are more forthcoming about the slight drawbacks of it's weapon than Duvolle, although they do point out that the drawbacks are because of some advantages. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 339	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:03:00 - [25] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Gallante is supposed to have superior technology but thir AR is terrible compared to CR and RR Amarr is supposed to have the highest developed and therefore the superior technology for its the oldest race in new eden besides jove(dead or missing) and sleepers(crushed by "the other") Check your lore buddy :) another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2454	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:07:00 - [26] - Quote Hey guys, remember when everyone said the AR was OP Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12564	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:28:00 - [27] - Quote Older plasma weapons had a nasty habit of exploding too. Gallente before immortal soldiers used weapons similar to minmater most of the time while plasma arms where special uses only. This rifle did not exist two years ago lore wise. Its amazing what sort of guns you can make with less concern for safety and logivity of the so!died in question. Case in point, shielding systems are radioactive and are unsafe for non clones even on vehicles they are not safe enough. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 680	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:35:00 - [28] - Quote I believe they were referring to plasma weapons in this description, like all the other descriptions for weapons. Furthermore, who cares?
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3679	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote Also, the description of the combat rifle says it's designed to outrange standard assault rifles. Bullshit, unless by assault rifles they mean gallente assault rifles. I am your scan error.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1690	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:27:00 - [30] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. "Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today." Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line. Nowhere in the two examples quoted does either one give a definition for the class of weapons it's in. It's entirely possible that they're each in different classes. The first being a (quoted from the text) 'mass manufactured plasma weapon' the second being a 'rail rifle' for example. The only thing that the two quoted pieces of text shows is that Kaalakiota are more forthcoming about the slight drawbacks of it's weapon than Duvolle, although they do point out that the drawbacks are because of some advantages. They do not specifically point out the weapons but I can be logically assumed that they are referring to the rifles. If the RR had a variant that had lower clip and lower rof then it is safe to assume that the RR is referring to itself. Armor and Shields are not the same!

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1690	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:30:00 - [31] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Also, the description of the combat rifle says it's designed to outrange standard assault rifles. Bullshit, unless by assault rifles they mean gallente assault rifles. while the weaponGÇÖs extended range keeps the operator just beyond the threat threshold of most standard assault rifles. That specifically refers to the Gallente rifle. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Teilka Darkmist 64	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:56:00 - [32] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. "Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today." Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line. Nowhere in the two examples quoted does either one give a definition for the class of weapons it's in. It's entirely possible that they're each in different classes. The first being a (quoted from the text) 'mass manufactured plasma weapon' the second being a 'rail rifle' for example. The only thing that the two quoted pieces of text shows is that Kaalakiota are more forthcoming about the slight drawbacks of it's weapon than Duvolle, although they do point out that the drawbacks are because of some advantages. They do not specifically point out the weapons but it can be logically assumed that they are referring to the rifles. If the RR had a variant that had lower clip and lower rof then it is safe to assume that the RR is referring to itself. It's much more logical to assume that they're referring to things that are mentioned in the text (mass manufactured plasma weapons and rail rifle in the two examples posted) than all rifiles. If that were the case, Sniper rifles beat both of them on range and damage. We don't know if the New Eden universe has other variants of the guns in the game, but it's a much safer assumption that there are because that's how weapons manufacture and improvement works. The manufacturer looks at the weapon they make, find a way to improve it then says 'This is better than the last version because....' It doesn't make sense for them to say 'This is better than this other gun by another manufacturer that isn't designed for the same situation' especially if the claim isn't true. The first method gets them more sales, the second gets them a reputation for lying about their weapons which results in less sales. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2888	Posted - 2014.01.24 23:58:00 - [33] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. I killed several people with GK -13 today I will have you know. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 337	Posted - 2014.01.25 00:00:00 - [34] - Quote So true that it hurts. Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 514	Posted - 2014.01.25 10:34:00 - [35] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Assault rifle: "Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. [1] The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. It is a magazine-fed, [3]short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point." [1] The best accuracy comes from the AScR when zoomed and the best hipfire accuracy comes from the Rail rifle. Please change to "Offers the worst accuracy of any gun in its class, even though it's operational range requires good accuracy". [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to slow rof by conventional standards, and the worst burst weapon ever conceived. Sorry but you better go Minmatar". [3] Since it has the shortest range and it doesn't match any other gun in range it is a short to short range weapon please change to "short". I think the entire description is best summarized as, "A sub-optimal weapon best used a SP sink or to change your difficulty, best when used with a Gallente scout and their oh so godly 3 hp/s repair. It offers no real advantages over any other weapon available, even though all those weapons will have extreme advantages over this one. Use of this weapon comes with no warranty to your PS3 hardware if you proceed to smash them in rage from being destroyed by every other rifle." When the Assault rifle is working as intended please use this definition: "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the-árailgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." OK if ccp does buff the AR add an overheat feature. Also I wouldn't mind my rr having a less accurate hipfire that just means I can spray and pray even better Ehm the AR already has an overheat mechanic...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 514	Posted - 2014.01.25 10:37:00 - [36] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Gallante is supposed to have superior technology but thir AR is terrible compared to CR and RR Amarr is supposed to have the highest developed and therefore the superior technology for its the oldest race in new eden besides jove(dead or missing) and sleepers(crushed by "the other") Check your lore buddy :) To my knowledge Amarr anf gallente are on par regarding their technology...they simply developed in parallel...
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1649	Posted - 2014.01.25 10:56:00 - [37] - Quote Dude the AR is overpowered, stop whining that the HROF HDPS is beaten by an equally OP HROF HDPS. We need all the Rifles fixed. AR: Highest Mag, Moderate ROF, best hipfire accuracy, worst ADS accuracy, highest DPS RR: Lowest Mag, Moderate ROF, worst hipfire accuracy, best ADS accuracy, lowest DPS Add PROPER recoil to all Rifles using a recoil per bullet system. Remove the recoil reset function. Ensure the accuracy problem with the hmg, isn't happening to the Rifles. Add PROPER momentum based dispersion increase. Sorted Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 335	Posted - 2014.01.25 11:53:00 - [38] - Quote RR is MEANT to have the bast Hip-Fire accuracy you know.
Sgt Buttscratch 1397	Posted - 2014.01.25 12:30:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. As soon as I got to the burst AR part.. yeah what a nugget. Burst AR works fine. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1697	Posted - 2014.01.25 14:04:00 - [40] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. As soon as I got to the burst AR part.. yeah what a nugget. Burst AR works fine. Why so much focus on the burst AR comment :\| the idea of the thread is more than oh the burst AR is bad bla bla I am speaking of the entire AR line as a whole dammit! The burst AR isn't a bad gun but it isn't the best gun either , if your good with it great fantastic! That's like me posting about the PLC being bad then somebody says no its good because I'm good with it. Armor and Shields are not the same!



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