DUST Search - Assault rifle description is wrong please fix

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

[1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR..

[2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses.

[3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small).

Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy.

In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore.

"Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons.

The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today."

Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line.

Nowhere in the two examples quoted does either one give a definition for the class of weapons it's in. It's entirely possible that they're each in different classes. The first being a (quoted from the text) 'mass manufactured plasma weapon' the second being a 'rail rifle' for example. The only thing that the two quoted pieces of text shows is that Kaalakiota are more forthcoming about the slight drawbacks of it's weapon than Duvolle, although they do point out that the drawbacks are because of some advantages.


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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1676	Posted - 2014.01.24 11:43:00 - [1] - Quote Assault rifle: "Conceived by Duvolle Laboratories, a corporation best known for its ceaseless R&D, the G75-VLB solves many of the problems inherent in mass-manufactured plasma weapons. [1] The result is a weapon that offers improved accuracy and greater containment field stability (which [2] equates to faster, longer bursts of fire) than anything in its class. It is a magazine-fed, [3]short-to-mid range weapon offering fully automatic fire. Charged plasma munitions are pumped into a cyclotron that converts the plasma into a highly lethal bolt before it is expelled from the chamber. Upon impact with the target, the magnetic field surrounding the bolt collapses, venting superheated plasma onto the contact point." [1] The best accuracy comes from the AScR when zoomed and the best hipfire accuracy comes from the Rail rifle. Please change to "Offers the worst accuracy of any gun in its class, even though it's operational range requires good accuracy". [2] The burst AR is by far one of the worst weapons in Dust and has been for such a long time, as for the rof I believe that goes to the Combat rifle. Please change to "equates to sub optimal rof for sub optimal range and sub optimal bursts. Sorry but you better go Minmatar" [3] Since it has the shortest range and it doesn't match any other gun in range it is a short to short range weapon please change to "short". I think the entire description is best summarized as " A sub-optimal weapon best used a SP sink or to change your difficulty, best erupts when used with a scout. It offers no real advantages over any other weapon available even though all those weapons have extreme advantages over this one. Use of this weapon comes with no warranty to your PS3 hardware if you proceed to smash them in rage from being destroyed by every other rifle." When the Assault rifle is working as intended please use this definition: "Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the-árailgunexcept they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid ammo types: antimatter, iridium, iron, lead, plutonium, thorium, tungsten, uranium." Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1676	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:25:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. if your good with that you should try the CR and you will be better. As for the AR I do well with it, but I do better with the RR mainly because it is a better gun. And this is a PROF V AR vs a level 1 RR. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1679	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:31:00 - [3] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: To be honest the last time I saw a burst AR in the killfeed was as I used it myself to give it a try. Sometimes I still see the Breach AR and TAC but it is mainly the base AR. And even this weapon I rarely see due to RR spam. Regarding the performance of the Burst AR compared to the CR the CR wins in every aspect by a LARGE margin. Pro CR More damage More Rof More Range Less fitting reqs cheaper Pro Burst AR 6 bullets more per clip ... Pretty much every new gun that gets released does this, it out classes everything else until it gets nerfed or the outclassed gun gets buffed. Either or the cycle will reverse and go on for eternity. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1679	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:38:00 - [4] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Nice original and inventive way of presenting a whinge. Much better than the typical "wah wah wah". I felt creative today ;) Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1682	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:53:00 - [5] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Wrong Wrong and...Wrong. [1] "anything in it's class" is not Racial Rifles but rifles develloped by Gallente. AR is the best rifle develloped by Gallente about accuracy and containement. You missed the interpretation of the text. [2] "longer burst of fire" don't talk about the burst version at all it speak about the normal version. It deals goot damage over time. => That's what it means. [3] ADV and Proto can shoot further 60 meters => This is Mid-Range son. Yes All 4 rifles need a rework. But AR is definetely not a trash. It instant kills almost everybody. (like the otherw rifles since hit-detection.) Yea except every other rifle fullfils this "class" better. AR is the best rifle by the Gallente because it's the only rifle they develop lol... Longer burst of fire means high clip and high rof, but that title goes to the Minmatar ACR, as for burst damage I had to add in the CR because this post is obviously more than just the AR... maybe you missed the interpretation? ADV and Proto shoot at 44 and 48 respectively after that they do not do full damage so any range outside of that is meaningless. The RR does full damage at 78 meters that's 40% range difference yet they both do the same amount of damage that's short to long not mid to long. The CR does full damage at 66 meters a 30% difference this is truly short to mid. The AR is not trash by the standard that it does shoot and it can kill but the bar of a good rifle has been raised so high that the AR cannot compete. And thus using the AR is really just purposely gimping yourself for nothing. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1683	Posted - 2014.01.24 15:01:00 - [6] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. "Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today." Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1685	Posted - 2014.01.24 16:18:00 - [7] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Wrong Wrong and...Wrong. [1] "anything in it's class" is not Racial Rifles but rifles develloped by Gallente. AR is the best rifle develloped by Gallente about accuracy and containement. You missed the interpretation of the text. [2] "longer burst of fire" don't talk about the burst version at all it speak about the normal version. It deals goot damage over time. => That's what it means. [3] ADV and Proto can shoot further 60 meters => This is Mid-Range son. Yes All 4 rifles need a rework. But AR is definetely not a trash. It instant kills almost everybody. (like the otherw rifles since hit-detection.) Yea except every other rifle fullfils this "class" better. AR is the best rifle by the Gallente because it's the only rifle they develop lol... Longer burst of fire means high clip and high rof, but that title goes to the Minmatar ACR, as for burst damage I had to add in the CR because this post is obviously more than just the AR... maybe you missed the interpretation? ADV and Proto shoot at 44 and 48 respectively after that they do not do full damage so any range outside of that is meaningless. The RR does full damage at 78 meters that's 40% range difference yet they both do the same amount of damage that's short to long not mid to long. The CR does full damage at 66 meters a 30% difference this is truly short to mid. The AR is not trash by the standard that it does shoot and it can kill but the bar of a good rifle has been raised so high that the AR cannot compete. And thus using the AR is really just purposely gimping yourself for nothing. Everytime you said it sucks because you compair it to the others rifle. It's not trash it's the others rifles the problem. CR is totally OP and deserve a HUGE nerf stop using it as a comparative. AR is the weapon that supposed to be a Close range-Mid. RR is a long range weapon you can't compair it and complain about range..... Like compairing range of HMG and Sniper..... As you said it's a good weapon it has been overclassed by te others rifle YES but it's still an OP weapon for dropsuits. Heavily Nerf CR. Mid Nerf RR and SCR. Low nerf AR. All rifles need the damn hell NerfHammer. TTk is the problem not the solution. Stop asking weapons to always been MORE POWERFUL because there's a weapon better. Nerf the weapon that is better to be at the same level. You literally just agreed with me by disagreeing! The AR works but when compared to other rifles is broken... The comparison of the RR and the AR is because the RR can do the CQC just as well, possibly better than the AR. Have you ever used the RR and the AR? Take a look at the hip fire accuracy, the RR is much more accurate. The range of the RR can definitely be used to compare it against the AR because of the DPS discrepancy, what does the RR lose for its range? What does the AR gain for its range? The RR does everything the AR does at a longer range, by this standard the AR does everything the RR can do at half the range. So what is the most logical choice? Obviously the RR because you are gaining the abilities of a short range weapon and a long range weapon. Now if the RR lost some DPS for its range, the choice is now set as to what you want your weapon to do, not how much your weapon can do. Do you want a long range weak weapon or a short range strong weapon? Do you want an accurate hip firing weapon or an accurate ADSed weapon? This is how the balance should be. As for the CR let me tell you that by far it is definitely not the most OP weapon, it could use with a tone down, specially the rof but it's not as OP as you think. Go into a really laggy match with equipment everywhere take a look at the kill feed and tell me how many CRs you see. You won't see much, and whichever you do see those are happening away from the Lag. During high lag the CR actually jams and lowers the RoF to around 500. The assault variant is just extremely overwhelming due to the high clip and high rof, but in reality it's just a long ranged AR just like the RR, again another DPS discrepancy. Although it is also extremely accurate for such high rof.... Also I am not asking for a buff to the AR, in fact every time somebody posts buff the AR I write "No that will ruin the TTK, leave the AR as it is and lower the DPS of other rifles" and basically that's the core problem of every rifle the DPS. The problem with the other guns that are not rifles is how they work. In this game where dying costs you something weapons that can kill you instantly do not bode well. That is why they are all nerfed to hell. I am not saying it's right for then to be nerfed but the cost to play vs the TTK of these weapons did/does not allow them to exist. For example the old flaylock. It was a cheap pistol that could be equipped by any suit, MLT at best and it could kill any suit up to and including prototype for little risk and high reward and a very very short TTK. The old Mass Driver had the same effect, take a look at Core locus grenades numerically they arent that much better than M1 grenades but a lot of people would love to have them nerfed because of how easy they are vs a suit that costs 150k+. This problem can be translated into other weapons like the rifles, but overall each of these weapons that are no longer effective were surpassing every other weapon out there, similarly to how the RR is doing. Those weapons were practically shut down and that is not a good strategy to "fix" them, that's basically removing them from the game but forcing players to suffer for it, because you know skills. For example the Mass driver would make for a great AoE weapon, not meant to kill but to wither the enemy, same with flaylock. The Laser rifle would make for a great counter to long range weapons, but like always each weapon was just to good at everything nd better. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1690	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: [1] The improved accuracy mentioned in the text looks like it means compared to other 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' it could even mean compared to a previous model of Burst CR.. [2] The better than anything in it's class is reffering to the greater containment field stability not the accuracy, which suggests that it's class is actually 'mass manufactured plasma weapons' not the light weapons catagory Dust uses. [3] Short, mid or long range will be a classification system that uses the maximum effective range, not be a comparisson between the few, limited types of weapon we have in game. I.e. If anythings max optimal range is under say 10m it's short range (number picked arbitrarily as something that is fairly small). Finally, the text provided in game is 'flavor text' in this case it looks like it's meant to have come from the rifle's manufacture so it's worded to increase sales. You have the option to actually check out the stats before you buy anything and that's what you should be paying attention to when you decide what weapon to buy. In short, the text isn't broken, it's part of the lore. "Part of Kaalakiota's Stahl line of weaponry, the rail rifle is a fast-firing precision weapon designed for field operations where penetrative power and range are paramount. Developed using the corporation's proprietary microscale technology, the rail rifle solves oversaturation issues endemic to sustained fire electromagnetic weaponry. However, it's greater range and power are offset by a smaller magazine capacity and lower rate of fire than similarly classified weapons. The foregrip design aids stabilization and remains cool to the touch even during prolonged discharge where the barrel can exceed mean operating temperatures. Featuring a reinforced subassembly and compact, heavy-barrel design, the rail rifle is the premier fully automatic microscale weapon available today." Seems to me that when a description is done it refers to weapons on the class not the line of weapons itself. As you can see from the bolded text this holds true not for the Rail rifle weapon line but for the rifle line. Nowhere in the two examples quoted does either one give a definition for the class of weapons it's in. It's entirely possible that they're each in different classes. The first being a (quoted from the text) 'mass manufactured plasma weapon' the second being a 'rail rifle' for example. The only thing that the two quoted pieces of text shows is that Kaalakiota are more forthcoming about the slight drawbacks of it's weapon than Duvolle, although they do point out that the drawbacks are because of some advantages. They do not specifically point out the weapons but I can be logically assumed that they are referring to the rifles. If the RR had a variant that had lower clip and lower rof then it is safe to assume that the RR is referring to itself. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1690	Posted - 2014.01.24 21:30:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Also, the description of the combat rifle says it's designed to outrange standard assault rifles. Bullshit, unless by assault rifles they mean gallente assault rifles. while the weaponGÇÖs extended range keeps the operator just beyond the threat threshold of most standard assault rifles. That specifically refers to the Gallente rifle. Armor and Shields are not the same!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1697	Posted - 2014.01.25 14:04:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: +« mad-+ Burst Rifle is the worst weapon in- Dafuq-+ Yeah, you lost all credibility right there. You leave my G75-VLB alone you unskilled menace. Seriously though, if you're not doing well, it's not the weapon. As soon as I got to the burst AR part.. yeah what a nugget. Burst AR works fine. Why so much focus on the burst AR comment :\| the idea of the thread is more than oh the burst AR is bad bla bla I am speaking of the entire AR line as a whole dammit! The burst AR isn't a bad gun but it isn't the best gun either , if your good with it great fantastic! That's like me posting about the PLC being bad then somebody says no its good because I'm good with it. Armor and Shields are not the same!