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Jade Tech
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:37:00 -
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Finally ( O_o) Yesh. PFC needs to be fixed, or, as a last resort, be purged for Planetary Conquest entirely. (I prefer the second option, but eh... )
Sniper no sniping! -Dora's last words x_x
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2340
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:38:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:Finally ( O_o) Yesh. PFC needs to be fixed, or, as a last resort, be purged for Planetary Conquest entirely. (I prefer the second option, but eh... )
You would though. 
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Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
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843-BANE
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
476
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:51:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:843-BANE wrote:Even the CPM ignore me >:( Just because you wasnt acknowledged doesn't mean your post wasn't read.
True indeed, but without response here or on any of my 3 threads regarding the subject I'll never know 
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Jade Tech
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:56:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Jade Tech wrote:Finally ( O_o) Yesh. PFC needs to be fixed, or, as a last resort, be purged for Planetary Conquest entirely. (I prefer the second option, but eh... ) You would though.
Yeah. I think it's a good idea and all, teaching new corps about PC, but in reality, they aren't going to get anywhere. That's not the main reason I want it gone though. If Corps think they deserve to be in PC, they need to prove it with strength, not the moneys. People are given the chance to practice PC now by qsyncing FW/Skirm. If you get lucky (or not), you'll be up against a challenging opponent. There you go. That's your practice.
Right now, PFC is a joke. People locking their districts for the moneys and breaking rules. It was a nice idea back then, but ever since, the society has been deteriorating. If we don't eliminate the problem now, it will only get worse. I can say this for many, PFC will disappear one day, so why not just save ourselves time and get rid of it now.
In my opinion.
Sniper no sniping! -Dora's last words x_x
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2341
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:14:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Jade Tech wrote:Finally ( O_o) Yesh. PFC needs to be fixed, or, as a last resort, be purged for Planetary Conquest entirely. (I prefer the second option, but eh... ) You would though. Yeah. I think it's a good idea and all, teaching new corps about PC, but in reality, they aren't going to get anywhere. That's not the main reason I want it gone though. If Corps think they deserve to be in PC, they need to prove it with strength, not the moneys. People are given the chance to practice PC now by qsyncing FW/Skirm. If you get lucky (or not), you'll be up against a challenging opponent. There you go. That's your practice. Right now, PFC is a joke. People locking their districts for the moneys and breaking rules. It was a nice idea back then, but ever since, the society has been deteriorating. If we don't eliminate the problem now, it will only get worse. I can say this for many, PFC will disappear one day, so why not just save ourselves time and get rid of it now. In my opinion.
Yeah I hear that. It should really just be used to get corps up to speed and I totally agree that theres no training better than diving straight in but what makes that a total pain is having to grind pubs for isk.
Grinding pubs with a high corp tax rate is a nightmare because of the proto stompers, in the past I and most people with it are all guilty on some level though but that's all on ccp in the grand scheme of things.
I can assure you that if there were other ways to accumulate isk then there'd be far less of a problem, if the dust player market was implemented I could play that and make loads very quickly, iv done it in many RPG games, it'd be nothing new.
Inevitably there'd be QQ from market newbs or buyers who don't like to be played or realise what is happening, I play the players in markets also.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:57:00 -
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I am proud to say that Subsonic Synthesis has used our district to help other corps train. We just had a friendly battle and will have another one on Sunday. We have been attacked with hostile intentions but have kept it still. I will tell Mush you want him to contact you. |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1644
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Posted - 2014.01.24 00:22:00 -
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Soraya will contact you with what we know but for my part the only corp I have seen definately breaing the rules (with my own eyes not from reports) is Men In Black OPS.
Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1213
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Posted - 2014.01.24 01:59:00 -
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Jade Tech wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Jade Tech wrote:Finally ( O_o) Yesh. PFC needs to be fixed, or, as a last resort, be purged for Planetary Conquest entirely. (I prefer the second option, but eh... ) You would though. Yeah. I think it's a good idea and all, teaching new corps about PC, but in reality, they aren't going to get anywhere. That's not the main reason I want it gone though. If Corps think they deserve to be in PC, they need to prove it with strength, not the moneys. People are given the chance to practice PC now by qsyncing FW/Skirm. If you get lucky (or not), you'll be up against a challenging opponent. There you go. That's your practice. Right now, PFC is a joke. People locking their districts for the moneys and breaking rules. It was a nice idea back then, but ever since, the society has been deteriorating. If we don't eliminate the problem now, it will only get worse. I can say this for many, PFC will disappear one day, so why not just save ourselves time and get rid of it now. In my opinion.
This is known as an elitist snot attitude.
The thing is. Plenty of people get fights on PFC. But it seems that certain corps would like to both lock their districts, so they don't have to play, and want to take away PFC, so we can't play. In the mind of the elitist snot, I guess, the only way to play... is for nobody to play.
A couple corps using it in bad faith is not a justification for ruining it for those that are.
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Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2703
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:43:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:True indeed, but without response here or on any of my 3 threads regarding the subject I'll never know
I do think that corp battles should come back in some form, but at the same time I think we need to work as best we can with what we have.
TechMechMeds wrote:Kain Spero wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have a question.
If swamp bought a district, could we pull in alliance members, their players are generally on the same level as swamp and as far as I know, the only beta vets we have are either directors and ceos or very few and far between. One of the things we have seen as a problem is the extensive rule sets that have been created. Some rules are needed of course but this is New Eden and the hand holding should really be kept to a minimum. So once this is sorted we can do that? I'm asking because I don't want to get a district for our alliance members to use for training and find iv broken rules. We'll use it everyday or every two days. Its better than attacking corps and inevitably loosing for training and then have to spend months grinding that isk back to carry on. I used to think pfc was bs back when things were different but with the state pc is in, I think its a necessity. Thanks for your reply.
Yeah, just shoot me a mail in-game at "Kane Spero".
It does sound like there is at least one corp not contributing to PFC. Still more investigating needs to be done.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2361
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Posted - 2014.01.24 06:54:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:843-BANE wrote:True indeed, but without response here or on any of my 3 threads regarding the subject I'll never know I do think that corp battles should come back in some form, but at the same time I think we need to work as best we can with what we have. TechMechMeds wrote:Kain Spero wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have a question.
If swamp bought a district, could we pull in alliance members, their players are generally on the same level as swamp and as far as I know, the only beta vets we have are either directors and ceos or very few and far between. One of the things we have seen as a problem is the extensive rule sets that have been created. Some rules are needed of course but this is New Eden and the hand holding should really be kept to a minimum. So once this is sorted we can do that? I'm asking because I don't want to get a district for our alliance members to use for training and find iv broken rules. We'll use it everyday or every two days. Its better than attacking corps and inevitably loosing for training and then have to spend months grinding that isk back to carry on. I used to think pfc was bs back when things were different but with the state pc is in, I think its a necessity. Thanks for your reply. Yeah, just shoot me a mail in-game at "Kane Spero". It does sound like there is at least one corp not contributing to PFC. Still more investigating needs to be done.
Ace, will do soon, as in semi soonGäó, not quite soonGäó 
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
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The Baby Shaker
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
111
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:35:00 -
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Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao
I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
877
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:14:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:Even the CPM ignore me >:(
I think he replied to you earlier bro.. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
877
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:16:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Kain Spero wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have a question.
If swamp bought a district, could we pull in alliance members, their players are generally on the same level as swamp and as far as I know, the only beta vets we have are either directors and ceos or very few and far between. One of the things we have seen as a problem is the extensive rule sets that have been created. Some rules are needed of course but this is New Eden and the hand holding should really be kept to a minimum. So once this is sorted we can do that? I'm asking because I don't want to get a district for our alliance members to use for training and find iv broken rules. We'll use it everyday or every two days. Its better than attacking corps and inevitably loosing for training and then have to spend months grinding that isk back to carry on. I used to think pfc was bs back when things were different but with the state pc is in, I think its a necessity. Thanks for your reply.
Tech, i think all of us went through that phase... Member Donations and such. I'd really like to fight you. Please attack us sometimes.
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MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
103
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:25:00 -
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We got attacked by Eternal Hate last night. One of theirs members admitted to knowing it was PFC but they didn't care. He said they were going to take it. They used ringers from Team Players, SVER, Southern Legion and Titans of Phoenix. Titans tried to take it before. They lost last night though. |
Traky78
What The French
471
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:46:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao
So true.
Kain, you can't know which corps you are attacking when you accept contracts and you want to rules PFC ?
Funny.... |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2709
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:46:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao
PFC rules set by an organization that doesn't have the backing to actually enforce the rules they have set. You need to understand that we made PFC, and it has been unpleasant to watch it decay under the current rule. We'll continue collecting feedback, but it does seem fairly clear that the current enforcers aren't up for the task.
Many of those that have chosen to manage PFC have made the same mistake in making complicated rules that are nigh impossible to track, which results in endless complaints and finger-pointing on the forums. Again some rules have to be in place, but one simple thing needs to accomplished in managing FIght Club: have people fight.
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Long Evity
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:47:00 -
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Traky78 wrote:The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao So true. Kain, you can't know which corps you are attacking when you accept contracts and you want to rules PFC ? Funny....
Feel free to not be a part of PFC then - neither of your corps belong there, anyways. So your opinions, unless backed by something concrete, are as useless as your teams.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Traky78
What The French
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:51:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Traky78 wrote:The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao So true. Kain, you can't know which corps you are attacking when you accept contracts and you want to rules PFC ? Funny.... Feel free to not be a part of PFC then - neither of your corps belong there, anyways. So your opinions, unless backed by something concrete, are as useless as your teams.
I'm not part of PFC. My school corp is. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2709
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:00:00 -
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I would like each corp currently on PFC to designate a point of contact and mail me at "Kane Spero" in-game. Please be sure to sure to put PFC in the subject line.
Traky78, I really see no issue with school corps being on PFC as long as they are active.
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Long Evity
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:23:00 -
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Traky78 wrote:Long Evity wrote:Traky78 wrote:The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao So true. Kain, you can't know which corps you are attacking when you accept contracts and you want to rules PFC ? Funny.... Feel free to not be a part of PFC then - neither of your corps belong there, anyways. So your opinions, unless backed by something concrete, are as useless as your teams. I'm not part of PFC. My school corp is.
And that is pretty concrete. Please, continue. 
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:40:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao
comparing merc contracts to PFC political hullabaloo... come on now bro.
I love it when someone gets attacked, the attacker hires people, those people ***** slap the defender, and the defender's popped a$$ sore gets spread all over the war room...
PFC is something for the community, something us, even as mercs, are considering stepping in once again to get in order and regulate... for the community
the rest of MH is an entirely different story, and as Ive told your leader, our agenda is absolutely nothing. u pay.. we play
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:42:00 -
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CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:The Baby Shaker wrote:Man this thread is hilarious. These are the same people who have been fighting for the corps breaking pfc rules on multiple occasions and now they are gonna police it. These are the people who helped a 3 man corp take a district from contract hunters and consistently ring for them every time they launch clones. You guys didnt even get the job yet and your already corrupt lmfao comparing merc contracts to PFC political hullabaloo... come on now bro. I love it when someone gets attacked, the attacker hires people, those people ***** slap the defender, and the defender's popped a$$ sore gets spread all over the war room... PFC is something for the community, something us, even as mercs, are considering stepping in once again to get in order and regulate... for the community the rest of MH is an entirely different story, and as Ive told your leader, our agenda is absolutely nothing. u pay.. we play
I like you for this and helping PFC. I might toss something your way for this, IF I have some excess resources.
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.24 16:50:00 -
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its not easy dealing with stupidity and grudges. I can go on about lots of things but it accomplishes nothing.
I have the personnel available to get PFC under control, I think we can all agree on that.
now can we be motivated?
Me personally, even with the constant headache before, took pride in seeing PFC working as it was originally intended, if even only for a short time and not completely.
the community is why its there, which (cant believe im saying this) is quite commendable
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
325
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:00:00 -
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heres an idea for PFC makes those district not generate money, i don't know if its a dumb idea probably is but might stop some corps from taking a district on PFC, or if CCP ever opened up more districts we could set up an entire system for PFC so more corps will have an opportunity to train for pc.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:04:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:heres an idea for PFC makes those district not generate money, i don't know if its a dumb idea probably is but might stop some corps from taking a district on PFC, or if CCP ever opened up more districts we could set up an entire system for PFC so more corps will have an opportunity to train for pc.
Passive ISK generation is a bad Idea but until a alternative comes there's nothing else.
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
325
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:07:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:heres an idea for PFC makes those district not generate money, i don't know if its a dumb idea probably is but might stop some corps from taking a district on PFC, or if CCP ever opened up more districts we could set up an entire system for PFC so more corps will have an opportunity to train for pc.
Passive ISK generation is a bad Idea but until a alternative comes there's nothing else.
instead of a daily isk gain make it every three days, corp that have many district just gain isk and for what really? theres nothing in this game at the moment that corp can spend isk on |
Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2709
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:12:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:heres an idea for PFC makes those district not generate money, i don't know if its a dumb idea probably is but might stop some corps from taking a district on PFC, or if CCP ever opened up more districts we could set up an entire system for PFC so more corps will have an opportunity to train for pc.
Passive ISK generation is a bad Idea but until a alternative comes there's nothing else. instead of a daily isk gain make it every three days, corp that have many district just gain isk and for what really? theres nothing in this game at the moment that corp can spend isk on
I think you may be on to something, but I think at the end of the day expecting mechanic changes for a player initiative isn't going to happen. It will be those involved in PFC that make those kinds of changes in effect depending on how PFC is operated.
The feedback so far has been very helpful. We may have a path here to restoring PFC to it's former glory and putting the power into the hands of those that are contributing members.
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XEROO COOL
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
392
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:15:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I would like each corp currently on PFC to designate a point of contact and mail me at "Kane Spero" in-game. Please be sure to sure to put PFC in the subject line.
Traky78, I really see no issue with school corps being on PFC as long as they are active. What is the reasoning behind Nyain Chan having a PFC district? Their main corp has over 50 districts... if they want to train, why can't they do it on those? This is not enough activity to warrant a PFC district in my eyes.
I just think that the district would be better spent on a corp that uses it.
Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face!
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1224
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:25:00 -
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XEROO COOL wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I would like each corp currently on PFC to designate a point of contact and mail me at "Kane Spero" in-game. Please be sure to sure to put PFC in the subject line.
Traky78, I really see no issue with school corps being on PFC as long as they are active. What is the reasoning behind Nyain Chan having a PFC district? Their main corp has over 50 districts... if they want to train, why can't they do it on those? This is not enough activity to warrant a PFC district in my eyes. I just think that the district would be better spent on a corp that uses it.
Nyain San still has the district on PFC because nobody in the game is able to remove them from it anyways.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.24 17:36:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:XEROO COOL wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I would like each corp currently on PFC to designate a point of contact and mail me at "Kane Spero" in-game. Please be sure to sure to put PFC in the subject line.
Traky78, I really see no issue with school corps being on PFC as long as they are active. What is the reasoning behind Nyain Chan having a PFC district? Their main corp has over 50 districts... if they want to train, why can't they do it on those? This is not enough activity to warrant a PFC district in my eyes. I just think that the district would be better spent on a corp that uses it. Nyain San still has the district on PFC because nobody in the game is able to remove them from it anyways.
Hmm if Motinai Japan, Die Valk, and the other Japanese/Asian corps were more active...
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