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I-Shayz-I I-----I 2064	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:15:00 - [1] - Quote I've seen so many posts about how you have to have a fast trigger finger to fire the combat rifle super-fast. In fact, you don't even have to press the button very fast at all for the weapon to fire automatically. Here's a video to help demonstrate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAwF860swU&feature=youtu.be As you can see, pressing the button as fast as possible actually makes the weapon fire very slowly because half of your button presses are DURING the burst, meaning that it only fires the next time you press the button after the burst has ended. In other words, you're wasting effort if you try and press the button as fast as possible. The best way is to time your presses to be exactly as soon as the burst ends. Once you get "in-rhythm" with the weapon, However, if you have a fast trigger finger you may in fact like the scrambler rifle a lot better. I show in the video that button presses DO equate to rounds fired with the SR, whether you press the trigger slow or fast. This is the only weapon in the game that I know of that does this because of its high fire rate. Even so, there is in fact a limit and if you press the button faster than that limit you will get the same effect as the combat rifle. This is very hard to do though, and I'm not even fast enough to make this happen unless I turn the controller upside down and button mash it with my thumb (Still have it from those mario party days). Finally, there is a downside to this. Every time you fire the weapon it raises the barrel ever so slightly. At the end of the video I show you how when you fire it while scoped, the gun raises up quite a bit. This is probably the best way to practice firing the weapon as you can see how many of your button presses are hitting at the perfect time. Every time your gun raises up a bit it means that you timed the shot perfectly. When your gun lowers back down it means you broke the chain. ________________________________________ The thing is, I did post this in general discussions so I want your opinion. Do you think that the Combat Rifle needs to have more of a delay in-between bursts to prevent this from happening? Is this abusing the mechanics of the gun or is the simply the correct way to fire the weapon? Would you consider being able to fire the weapon like this "skill" or is it just understanding the weapon? Give me your feedback and maybe this will give you a reason to try out the combat rifle again, or help you understand how some players are able to make the CR the deadly weapon that it is. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:23:00 - [2] - Quote Personally i don't think that a rifle should have a higher ROF than the SMG, but that's just me. Maybe a little forced delay between burst would help? I haven't used the CR enough to give an opinion but goddamn does it hurt my gallente suits fast...
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 258	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote Nothing kills this Cal Logi faster than a good player with the SCR. The CR is probably second in that list. As for your request for feedback, I'd say the CR is working as designed -- as I recall the burst AR functioned similarly. That said, I prefer AR type automatic weapons, and in my testing the assault CR didn't work as well as the assault RR, and I don't think this post will change that. Respectfully...Leadfoot
Alaskan Ganja Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:24:00 - [4] - Quote This is pretty much exactly what I do and it gets me out of some sticky situations. Don't mind me I'm just Some Alaskan.
Orenji Jiji 341	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:31:00 - [5] - Quote Wait, let me get this straight. Scrambler Rifle has no cap on firing speed and can be spammed as fast as you like, until it overheats. Rail Rifle has super short spool time, that can be cycled continuously & used to kill infantry barely in rendering distance with impunity. Assault Rifle is standing sad in the corner... JK, I see ARs every day, just more situational. Skilled operators still rock those GEKs. But then you've got a medium range Combat Rifle, that requires actual manual skill to operate (trigger rhythm and kick compensation is required), and you want to "adjust" that? And you call the actual gun game application "abusing the mechanics"? SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, Scout beast-mode. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time.. to die.
Cpl Foster USMC Bank of Saikanen 517	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:45:00 - [6] - Quote wait...I know this one...?! the answer is.....Six Kin Combat Rifle....right ? Lolo Jones.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2770	Posted - 2014.01.23 15:52:00 - [7] - Quote Kara Anschel wrote: Personally i don't think that a rifle should have a higher ROF than the SMG, but that's just me. Maybe a little forced delay between burst would help? I haven't used the CR enough to give an opinion but goddamn does it hurt my gallente suits fast... I think the higher rate of fire is to compensate for the player's inability to consistently maximize the shots through trigger pulls. The three round burst is at 1200 but there is always at least a small delay between bursts. The Assault CR is a different beast though and limited by its ammo supply. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2068	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:39:00 - [8] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: But then you've got a medium range Combat Rifle, that requires actual manual skill to operate (trigger rhythm and kick compensation is required), and you want to "adjust" that? And you call the actual gun game application "abusing the mechanics"? Well to start off I just wanted people's opinions. I'm not against the CR at all, but I see it in posts daily about how the CR is OP simply because players have faster trigger fingers...and that is simply not true at all. But if you actually saw the video and watched as I scrolled past 90% of my fittings which all use some variation of the CR in them...you could probably guess that I use the CR more than any other weapon. Which would mean that I probably don't want to change the CR, but instead want to argue against why it should ever be changed at all because of the mechanics you even specifically stated in your post. Gah, what is it with people and thinking that every thread out there about a weapon is a "NERF DIS NAO" thread? -_- Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3166	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:48:00 - [9] - Quote Working as intended. Made a similar observation: http://youtu.be/MXo_yQO1G-M?t=2m32s Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 539	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:56:00 - [10] - Quote Wait... Did anyone notice the lighting changes in the video? Every couple seconds it gets darker then brighter... WTF lol Is that the game? GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 124	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:57:00 - [11] - Quote Just my opinion but - RR = CR (Both variants) they are somewhat equal to SCR / ASCR which is > AR right now. My only issue is the AR is meant to be the short range brawler high damage beasty. At least in EVE lore the Gallente blaster is more like a shotgun blast than an assault rifle like machine gun. Oh yea that and the laser rifle, what ever little place it had left of the battlefield was swept aside almost entirely by the RR. Give the LR more range than the RR.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 912	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:59:00 - [12] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Wait... Did anyone notice the lighting changes in the video? Every couple seconds it gets darker then brighter... WTF lol Is that the game? Have you ever noticed that sometimes, when you hack and objective, your surroundings fade to blackness and your arms start glowing? I swear this happens all the time, but only when im in my Amarr Assault suit.... may the holy light of god shine down upon me during my time of need The Sinwarden
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1891	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:04:00 - [13] - Quote It needs delays in the burst. The Railrifle needs higher spool up time and less hipfire accuracy Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2071	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:23:00 - [14] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: It needs delays in the burst. The Railrifle needs higher spool up time and less hipfire accuracy Exactly. Balancing the weapons without messing with the damage. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 758	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:25:00 - [15] - Quote All the rifles needs a nerf
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1549	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:30:00 - [16] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: It needs delays in the burst. The Railrifle needs higher spool up time and less hipfire accuracy This is exactly what they need. The ScR could use its RoF being dropped to 600 from the 705 it is currently at. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3670	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:34:00 - [17] - Quote Just wondering: is it like the burst HMG? If you hold down the trigger, it'll fire repeated bursts automatically. I am your scan error.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2776	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:35:00 - [18] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Nothing kills this Cal Logi faster than a good player with the SCR. The CR is probably second in that list. Oh the tears that fall upon my shiny dropsuit Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 639	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:35:00 - [19] - Quote I learned this trick while using the Tactical assault rifle.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2776	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:39:00 - [20] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: Rail Rifle has super short spool time, that can be cycled continuously & used to kill infantry barely in rendering distance with impunity. Using the RR is just like the OP telling you how to fire between bursts. In fact, its like revving an engine. For close, CQC battles and I know you're around the corner, I keep tapping the trigger like its a gas pedal. I listen for the sound. Zzzeek Zzzeek. If I see you, I catch it right after the Zzeek sound and begin unloading. Again, I said this before. The RR has been maximized by users who have gotten good with it. When I first got the RR, it was a pain in CQC. Now that I know how to work me loves, she purrs whenever I coax her rhythmically Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Espartoi Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day 9	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:40:00 - [21] - Quote I don't thinks that rifles need a nerfed when using the CR and bursting to fast you lose accuracy and you get low on ammo very fast and some times i see more kills with the AR than the CR.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1549	Posted - 2014.01.24 02:48:00 - [22] - Quote I would like to point out that there is a word for pulling the trigger so fast that the RoF is lowered on Semiautomatic and Burst weapons. This word is 'oversampling'. You were oversampling the rifle. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Espartoi Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day 9	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:00:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: I would like to point out that there is a word for pulling the trigger so fast that the RoF is lowered on Semiautomatic and Burst weapons. This word is 'oversampling'. You were oversampling the rifle. Thanks i not know much of the terms, but sometimes is doing that or be killed. What i don't like of the standar rifle is the difference of the 1,5 and the 10k isk version is pretty much the mayor change is in how much you pay and that is in almost all weaponry.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6139	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:06:00 - [24] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Marad''er wrote: Wait... Did anyone notice the lighting changes in the video? Every couple seconds it gets darker then brighter... WTF lol Is that the game? Have you ever noticed that sometimes, when you hack and objective, your surroundings fade to blackness and your arms start glowing? I swear this happens all the time, but only when im in my Amarr Assault suit.... may the holy light of god shine down upon me during my time of need Indeed. I remember this one time on Line Harvest our 5 man squad was at C running down the last of the Matari scum. We cleansed the CRU and forced the enemy back into the hills where they took a high position and rained down fire on us. Even with the sun in our eyes, ((I **** you not)), we all unanimously agreed to charge their lines. I don't really remember what happened except to say we sprinted up through the Godrays onto their gun line, and utterly shattered it. A motley combination of Commando's, Assaults, and even a Logistics trooper knocked out 8 enemy units on that hill in a better position, while we had the sun in our eyes. I swear after that.....even if I wanted to I could never truely fight for another faction besides the Amarr.....some virtual providence or insane luck was looking after us that day. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 187	Posted - 2014.01.24 03:16:00 - [25] - Quote Don't really care for the combat rifle. But considering that it is a slug thrower like the HMG, it seems reasonable that the combat rifle should be subjected to overheating sort of like the laser rifle and scrambler rifle are.


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