DUST Search - Rail Rifle needs a longer spool up time because it can be bypassed

stlcarlos989 wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

stlcarlos989 wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

... I dont see that as an exploit as it requires you to always remember to tap the trigger. Otherwise starting the spool before you ran round the courner is also exploiting. Or taping the spool while waiting for someone to break cover...i could go on

Its not hard to remember to do so, if CCP thinks this is ok then why have a spool up time it the first place?

Are we just ignoring applied logic and forword thinking in this thread.

The spool is to prevent snap fireing. While its easy to do you still have to remeber to do it and plenty of players wont. PC is ment for the BEST players so if i had a guy who was not doing it i would kick him from my pc squad.

The RR is outclassed by the AR CC and shotgun in CQC its not CCP fault that u cant aim and track. I would say most rifiles are good where they are. Pretty much everyone bar PC players use the WRONG gun for their playstyle or simply suck and make up BS excuses

Really, hard to remember lol? Play a few game just tapping it constantly and it becomes habit, yes its a smart tactic to use to get an advantage in CQC, but it still doesn't mean it isn't a broken game mechanic.

Lol if you're saying I can't track and aim you obviously haven't taken part in much PC.

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Vyle Cross SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 29	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:17:00 - [31] - Quote the spool up time doesnt have momentum like a chain gun... as soon u release the button it resets back to zero.. tapping the r1 isnt game changing nor it eliminates the wait. it just means u anticipated firing the weapon which is what a good rail rifle user should be doing... the only difference is some ppl just need to press r1 one time ...others need to constantly press it. STB director/ Retired Eve online Pirate/ Nova knifer Extraordinaire and Connoiseur
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4679	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:25:00 - [32] - Quote Assault Rail Rifle is the most popular weapon in PC right now, and wrecks in city enviroments (Where they're supposed to under perform) Fatal Absolution Operation - LVL 5 Fatal Absolution Pro. - LVL 5 FOTM Abuser, outta mah way Nyain San!
Vag Eye Lenol Planetary Asset Protection Services 18	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:30:00 - [33] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: No it won't change anything; anyone who uses the Rail Rifle in CQC knows that you have to pre-fire before that red knocks around the corner. Increasing spool time only means theyGÇÖll be pre-firing earlier. This, I'm pre-firing my rounds all the time. :P In conjunction with scanner works wonders around corners.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2191	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:16:00 - [34] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Assault Rail Rifle is the most popular weapon in PC right now, and wrecks in city enviroments (Where they're supposed to under perform) The assult version is ment to be cqc version thats why its called an assult and does not have a scope "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4680	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:18:00 - [35] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Assault Rail Rifle is the most popular weapon in PC right now, and wrecks in city enviroments (Where they're supposed to under perform) The assult version is ment to be cqc version thats why its called an assult and does not have a scope It shouldn't outperform or match the performance of a Plasma Rifle in CQC though, which it does. Fatal Absolution Operation - LVL 5 Fatal Absolution Pro. - LVL 5 FOTM Abuser, outta mah way Nyain San!
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2191	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:22:00 - [36] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: ... I dont see that as an exploit as it requires you to always remember to tap the trigger. Otherwise starting the spool before you ran round the courner is also exploiting. Or taping the spool while waiting for someone to break cover...i could go on Its not hard to remember to do so, if CCP thinks this is ok then why have a spool up time it the first place? Are we just ignoring applied logic and forword thinking in this thread. The spool is to prevent snap fireing. While its easy to do you still have to remeber to do it and plenty of players wont. PC is ment for the BEST players so if i had a guy who was not doing it i would kick him from my pc squad. The RR is outclassed by the AR CC and shotgun in CQC its not CCP fault that u cant aim and track. I would say most rifiles are good where they are. Pretty much everyone bar PC players use the WRONG gun for their playstyle or simply suck and make up BS excuses Really, hard to remember lol? Play a few game just tapping it constantly and it becomes habit, yes its a smart tactic to use to get an advantage in CQC, but it still doesn't mean it isn't a broken game mechanic. Lol if you're saying I can't track and aim you obviously haven't taken part in much PC. This is going to be a hard concept for you. But dont apply you skills as everyone elses. So while u can form a habbit other players might have to spend 100% of the time focusing on just what is happening and moving the right way. Or even trying to line up the shot. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2067	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:24:00 - [37] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: RR needs the spread of the current TAR Agreed... ADS though seems fine atm. A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 189	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:29:00 - [38] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: RR needs the spread of the current TAR Agreed... ADS though seems fine atm. Suppose you both want dispersion on the forge gun too?
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 788	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:36:00 - [39] - Quote Those who think the RR is fine are the FOTM abusers who don't want to have to actually use skill in a game. When a RR can out DPS the HMG in it's own effective killing range then something is definitely wrong. Anyone who says otherwise just wants to keep the crutch. But remember this is CCP, nerf is imminent no matter how long it takes. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2955	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:36:00 - [40] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Walk around with a rail rifle while constantly tapping the trigger as soon as you engage an enemy just hold it and you will begin firing instantly with no spool up time. The spool up time is supposed to be the balancing factor for the rail rifle in CQC but since since it can be easily bypassed CCP you need to rebalance it. I hate making this "exploit" or whatever you want to call it more common in pubs (already prevalent in PC) but it has to be abused for CCP to react. I spool up in the time it takes me to aim at an enemy. The spool time is ridiculously small. It should be at least a full second to see any real penalty for CQC use. No.

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4693	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:39:00 - [41] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Killar-12 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: RR needs the spread of the current TAR Agreed... ADS though seems fine atm. Suppose you both want dispersion on the forge gun too? You're the only person that mentioned Forge Guns. Fatal Absolution Operation - LVL 5 Fatal Absolution Pro. - LVL 5 FOTM Abuser, outta mah way Nyain San!
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 189	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:54:00 - [42] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Killar-12 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: RR needs the spread of the current TAR Agreed... ADS though seems fine atm. Suppose you both want dispersion on the forge gun too? You're the only person that mentioned Forge Guns. Same tech innit? Tank railguns with dispersion will keep those ADS pilots happy too :) See how silly dispersion on rail tech sounds now? Now I just need to remember who were the loudest voices in closed beta saying that dispersion was a bad mechanic made to help newbs who can't aim. Yes give me dispersion on my RR try dodging my RR's dispersion in CQC! Seriously. It's difficult to track a target with a RR in CQC - problem is. None of you ******* can move cos you're all stacking armour. Bouncy shotgun scout should pish all over a RR user in CQQ and the gud ones do. I would say over 90% of my RR kills have been of people standing still, or running directly at me. My kdr has not suddenly leapt through the roof, im killing/dying just as much/little as when everyone was running with duvolles! HTFU and get gud. All of you.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 216	Posted - 2014.01.23 17:58:00 - [43] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Walk around with a rail rifle while constantly tapping the trigger as soon as you engage an enemy just hold it and you will begin firing instantly with no spool up time. The spool up time is supposed to be the balancing factor for the rail rifle in CQC but since since it can be easily bypassed CCP you need to rebalance it. I hate making this "exploit" or whatever you want to call it more common in pubs (already prevalent in PC) but it has to be abused for CCP to react. It isn't any different/worse than walking around with a charged ScR shoot.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4693	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:00:00 - [44] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Same tech innit? Tank railguns with dispersion will keep those ADS pilots happy too :) See how silly dispersion on rail tech sounds now? Now I just need to remember who were the loudest voices in closed beta saying that dispersion was a bad mechanic made to help newbs who can't aim. Yes give me dispersion on my RR try dodging my RR's dispersion in CQC! Seriously. It's difficult to track a target with a RR in CQC - problem is. None of you ******* can move cos you're all stacking armour. Bouncy shotgun scout should pish all over a RR user in CQQ and the gud ones do. I would say over 90% of my RR kills have been of people standing still, or running directly at me. My kdr has not suddenly leapt through the roof, im killing/dying just as much/little as when everyone was running with duvolles! HTFU and get gud. All of you. Just because its the same tech, doesn't mean it should work in the same way. Fatal Absolution Operation - LVL 5 Fatal Absolution Pro. - LVL 5 FOTM Abuser, outta mah way Nyain San!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4105	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:00:00 - [45] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: ... I dont see that as an exploit as it requires you to always remember to tap the trigger. Otherwise starting the spool before you ran round the courner is also exploiting. Or taping the spool while waiting for someone to break cover...i could go on Its not hard to remember to do so, if CCP thinks this is ok then why have a spool up time it the first place? Rail tech is Caldari tech is long range. RR too good in CQ. Not what the balance factor is supposed to be. Lore breaking and no reason to use the other weapons if the RR does just as good in CQ. That is all. Both Gallente and Caldari use Rails, both use Hybrid weapons in general but Caldari focus on Missiles. Why CCP decided to make rails Solely Caldari in this game is beyond me.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 262	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:01:00 - [46] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Walk around with a rail rifle while constantly tapping the trigger as soon as you engage an enemy just hold it and you will begin firing instantly with no spool up time. The spool up time is supposed to be the balancing factor for the rail rifle in CQC but since since it can be easily bypassed CCP you need to rebalance it. I hate making this "exploit" or whatever you want to call it more common in pubs (already prevalent in PC) but it has to be abused for CCP to react. It isn't any different/worse than walking around with a charged ScR shoot. I agree, however, the charged SCR does a hell of a lot more damage, so in a sense the SCR is even worse in this regard. IMO, this is no exploit. It's not really effective and requires a lot of button pushing for little to no tactical advantage.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3333	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:02:00 - [47] - Quote yaaaaaay, let's balance a gun around an exploit :D ..... -______- great mentallity, OP... The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Supra Advyn Nos Nothi 20	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:07:00 - [48] - Quote The one thing I have come to grips with this game since I started back in sept., Now matter what weapon, item, etc. is implemented into the game, Somebody will always exploit it to its full potential. The goal to OP is a natural coarse pathway for any merc. Some are smarter than others when achieving this, and do very well at doing so. So, please nerf the smart people who figure it out. It's not the weapon, its the person behind the weapon. Nerf creativity. aka Kahn
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1031	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:15:00 - [49] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Walk around with a rail rifle while constantly tapping the trigger as soon as you engage an enemy just hold it and you will begin firing instantly with no spool up time. The spool up time is supposed to be the balancing factor for the rail rifle in CQC but since since it can be easily bypassed CCP you need to rebalance it. I hate making this "exploit" or whatever you want to call it more common in pubs (already prevalent in PC) but it has to be abused for CCP to react. It isn't any different/worse than walking around with a charged ScR shoot. Both are equally bad and I made a thread about that exact topic a while back as well. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:30:00 - [50] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Both Gallente and Caldari use Rails, both use Hybrid weapons in general but Caldari focus on Missiles. Why CCP decided to make rails Solely Caldari in this game is beyond me. Space combat =/= planet-bound combat It's possible that Gallente simply prefers plasma when there's gravity, an atmosphere and only small power generators. Remember, this stuff is either hand-held or vehicle mounted and not part of huge-ass space ships. That completely changes the associated engineering paradigms. You can't just scale things down at will. From what I know about EVE lore, Gallente is close combat with armor and Caldari is ranged combat with shields. So giving Gallente the blaster weapons and Caldari the railguns makes sense in terms of combat doctrine. Supra Advyn wrote: The one thing I have come to grips with this game since I started back in sept., Now matter what weapon, item, etc. is implemented into the game, Somebody will always exploit it to its full potential. The goal to OP is a natural coarse pathway for any merc. Some are smarter than others when achieving this, and do very well at doing so. So, please nerf the smart people who figure it out. It's not the weapon, its the person behind the weapon. Nerf creativity. That's called competitive mindset. The scrubs find an exploit and pretend that it doesn't exist and shout at anyone who uses it. Which creates a web of more and more artificial rules that aren't actually part of the game, causing the barrier to entry to get ever higher and the gameplay to lose more and more variety. Competitive players, meanwhile, find an exploit and abuse the **** out of it. The point here is to raise public awareness, which forces the devs to actually rectify the issue.

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 504	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:33:00 - [51] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: The RR is outclassed by the AR CC and shotgun in CQC its not CCP fault that u cant aim and track. I would say most rifiles are good where they are. Pretty much everyone bar PC players use the WRONG gun for their playstyle or simply suck and make up BS excuses No to the AR, no to the SG (do you REALLY believe THAT) with the CR it is on par in CQC. I have all the weapons you mentioned on prof 2 or higher with AR on 5 and I can tell you the RR does get outclassed by them.
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 113	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:43:00 - [52] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Walk around with a rail rifle while constantly tapping the trigger as soon as you engage an enemy just hold it and you will begin firing instantly with no spool up time. The spool up time is supposed to be the balancing factor for the rail rifle in CQC but since since it can be easily bypassed CCP you need to rebalance it. I hate making this "exploit" or whatever you want to call it more common in pubs (already prevalent in PC) but it has to be abused for CCP to react. Do HMG's have a "spool up" time? I think they do but I'm not an HMG user. If I pull the trigger early as I round a corner to maximize damage application on anybody that might be there....Is that an exploit?
Vyle Cross SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 31	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:48:00 - [53] - Quote they do not they insta fire when u tap r1 STB director/ Retired Eve online Pirate/ Nova knifer Extraordinaire and Connoiseur


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