Please rethink this. Slayer-logis are more incentivised more than ever in light of the nerf, and being a proper logi is discouraged. In short, it's more rewarding to be a slayer logi than to be a proper logi with all the bonuses.

As I said, please rethink this really could be the downfall of the true logis. Many true logis are saying they would rather lose their light weapon slot than lose their equipment.

I just wish the nanite count wasn't nerfed so hard it's the only thing that keeps my Gallente suits alive :(

They've successfully killed the logi's class. I agree, that the current equipment stats should have stayed the same. Even with the racial bonus' added in, none of it would be "op". In fact, the better rep tools and rep hives would help keep people alive, exending ttk. The snapshot for the scanner was needed, but the cool down time does nothing but encourage me to carry 2 scanners. None of the other equipment should have changed. All they've done, is made the equipment overall less effective, so more of it needs to be spammed to compensate.

Time to stack armor plates and dmg mods.

Please rethink this. Slayer-logis are more incentivised more than ever in light of the nerf, and being a proper logi is discouraged. In short, it's more rewarding to be a slayer logi than to be a proper logi with all the bonuses.

As I said, please rethink this really could be the downfall of the true logis. Many true logis are saying they would rather lose their light weapon slot than lose their equipment.

They didn't hurt all Logis, just the support ones.

And again no.....

They created specialisation into the Logi role.
Killed the Logi Slayers.
Bring balance to equipements.
Nerfed the "grenade" spam.
Nerfed the Op scanner.

No more "i'm a god with all equipements because **** YOU".

Now it's i can do : that / that / that BUT my speciality IS.

Way better.

Somehow I feel like I'm getting hurt as well by this, and I'm a heavy... Who the hell is going to go Minmatar logi now that their hack speed bonus is going to be taken away (if what my friends said was to be believed) and all they get is a lousy repair bonus... My boyfriend, who was going to go proto Minmatar logi is giving up on it when he was originally going to logi for me and be able to hack insanely fast. Most of the people that I play with are quitting the logi class as well, saying that they are demanding a respec with this and switching to the assault class instead.

Well, unless they leave it the same as they are in 1.7, any logi who has already spent the points in both reptard tools and minmatar logi will still be able to help you quite well. Btw this is the one tool that I have foregone as a Logi because there are so many other ways to be better support that to follow around a heavy it is not even funny. I prefer the Minmatar hacking bonus as a Logi bonus on the minmatar suit and feel it fits better.

Incorrect. The logi had the core focused repair tool that as of 1.7 could barely keep a heavy alive vs a well matched team. The range meant that the logi was always in the line of fire and also meant that there was 1 less gun shooting at the enemy. With nerfed ranges and repair I will barely be able to keep up and will be so into the line of fire I might as well be shooting.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. A repair tool should be better at keeping people alive than a weapon. If this is not true in 1.8 all you will see is either an exodus of the logi class or slayer logi's all around because it will be better to shoot and patch things up later than try and rep and everyone die.

The heavies got the measly resistance bonus but guess what; apart from being a full proto support logi I am also a full proto sentinel heavy and can tell you how much of a pain it is to be killed faster than I can turn around with 1700 hp. A nerf to repair tool will be bad no matter what.

that's only part of the story. the new bonuses to suits will make the equipment far better than now.

wouldnt it have just been easier to remove/nerf the tank ability of all the logi suits? instead of nerfing equipment?

Please rethink this. Slayer-logis are more incentivised more than ever in light of the nerf, and being a proper logi is discouraged. In short, it's more rewarding to be a slayer logi than to be a proper logi with all the bonuses.

As I said, please rethink this really could be the downfall of the true logis. Many true logis are saying they would rather lose their light weapon slot than lose their equipment.

agreed.... bumpage. Ima throw this up in the registry that cool?

No. (As a Logi)
Just think more than 2 sec please.
Changements on ALL suits is happening.
Weapons will CERTAINELY receive some nerf.
The purpose is to increase TTK.
Heavy is receiving resistance.
The CPU/PG bonus to logi means than Logi suits going to receive at least 25% less base PG/CPU.
You're able to fit heavy equipements but no more heavy modules / weapons.

Logi Slayer problem : Ruled.


Repair tool is a REPAIR TOOL not something that give "god mod" to the one you repair you're supposzed to REPAIR your allies not making him able to tank extra damage.
Maybe we're going someday to have a Tool that creates "shields" for allies and protect them from fire but here it's NOT the purpose.

The nerf of the repair tool is JUSTIFIED.
The purpose is to make the "Medic" role a REAL role because right now ALL logi is repairing and do it with great efficacity the Focused Core repair tool is REALLY easy to fit and almost all Logi can fit it.
The repair tool is one of the equipements that takes the less PG/CPU.
Proto Focused : 10PG.
Drop uplinks STD : 9 PG.
After the "nerf" every logi can still repair with GREAT efficacity BUT if you want to be specialized into it then you go Minmatarr.

Now if you want to be a logi specialized on repairing you go Minmatarr.
You want to be specialized on ressuply ? Go Caldari.
You want to be a Reco unit ? Go Gallente.
You want to.....set the spawn (yes it sucks) you go Amarr.

It creates VERSABILITY into the Logi role.
No more MacGyver overspecialized in EVERYTHING now you're still useful with everything BUT with a speciality.
(Exemple in Battlefield Medic and Support are diffrent classes).
This "nerf" is in fact one of the best Class Revamp maded since a LONG time.

Stop thinking "OH NO they nerf my gun/equipement/suit" and try to think more "global".

CCP this is really NICE stuff you bring there.
Logi specialization is Perfect : Honestly GG.


To slayer Logi : It's Over for you now.
The 25% bonus on equipements for Logi also means a HUGE nerf to PG/CPU.
Now logi is able to fit LOOOOOOT of equipements easily.
But not able anymore to make fit as powerful than assault because module and weapons still takes lot of PG/CPU.
Stacking armor plates and damage mod is OVER in Logi suits.

Now it's time to nerf Armor Modules / Damage mod.
Buff a little ferroscales/reactives.

And nerf weapons TTK.

Fittings examples, without relying on skill bonuses or it didn't happen.
I've been asking for this for months and it's largely been unheeded.

1. Choose a race
2. Build an assault fit (or heavy or scout if you like but those are less directly comparable)
3. Build a Logi fit trying to match the stats of your fit from #2 in all metrics before specializing into any one area, such as eHP or DPS, more heavily.
4. Fill your equipment slots with an assortment of proto
5. If you have any fittings resources left add additional mods as able
6. Tally the required SP and ISK costs to field each fitting.
Then post your fittings side by side for everyone to see.

I don't claim to be a fittings "god" or somehow "super leet" but the simple fact is I have yet to encounter a fitting, using the unmodified equipment/weapon/frame values which can demonstrably indicate the current logi layout is superior.
If you can provide say, a couple of examples (or even one) from each race then lets have a discussion about those cases and see what can be figured out. Until then I'm going to continue to ask for solid proof that there is a problem with the current suit stats/layout.

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