No. (As a Logi)
Just think more than 2 sec please.
Changements on ALL suits is happening.
Weapons will CERTAINELY receive some nerf.
The purpose is to increase TTK.
Heavy is receiving resistance.
The CPU/PG bonus to logi means than Logi suits going to receive at least 25% less base PG/CPU.
You're able to fit heavy equipements but no more heavy modules / weapons.

Logi Slayer problem : Ruled.


Repair tool is a REPAIR TOOL not something that give "god mod" to the one you repair you're supposzed to REPAIR your allies not making him able to tank extra damage.
Maybe we're going someday to have a Tool that creates "shields" for allies and protect them from fire but here it's NOT the purpose.

The nerf of the repair tool is JUSTIFIED.
The purpose is to make the "Medic" role a REAL role because right now ALL logi is repairing and do it with great efficacity the Focused Core repair tool is REALLY easy to fit and almost all Logi can fit it.
The repair tool is one of the equipements that takes the less PG/CPU.
Proto Focused : 10PG.
Drop uplinks STD : 9 PG.
After the "nerf" every logi can still repair with GREAT efficacity BUT if you want to be specialized into it then you go Minmatarr.

Now if you want to be a logi specialized on repairing you go Minmatarr.
You want to be specialized on ressuply ? Go Caldari.
You want to be a Reco unit ? Go Gallente.
You want to.....set the spawn (yes it sucks) you go Amarr.

It creates VERSABILITY into the Logi role.
No more MacGyver overspecialized in EVERYTHING now you're still useful with everything BUT with a speciality.
(Exemple in Battlefield Medic and Support are diffrent classes).
This "nerf" is in fact one of the best Class Revamp maded since a LONG time.

Stop thinking "OH NO they nerf my gun/equipement/suit" and try to think more "global".

CCP this is really NICE stuff you bring there.
Logi specialization is Perfect : Honestly GG.


To slayer Logi : It's Over for you now.
The 25% bonus on equipements for Logi also means a HUGE nerf to PG/CPU.
Now logi is able to fit LOOOOOOT of equipements easily.
But not able anymore to make fit as powerful than assault because module and weapons still takes lot of PG/CPU.
Stacking armor plates and damage mod is OVER in Logi suits.

Now it's time to nerf Armor Modules / Damage mod.
Buff a little ferroscales/reactives.

And nerf weapons TTK.

Fittings examples, without relying on skill bonuses or it didn't happen.
I've been asking for this for months and it's largely been unheeded.

1. Choose a race
2. Build an assault fit (or heavy or scout if you like but those are less directly comparable)
3. Build a Logi fit trying to match the stats of your fit from #2 in all metrics before specializing into any one area, such as eHP or DPS, more heavily.
4. Fill your equipment slots with an assortment of proto
5. If you have any fittings resources left add additional mods as able
6. Tally the required SP and ISK costs to field each fitting.
Then post your fittings side by side for everyone to see.

I don't claim to be a fittings "god" or somehow "super leet" but the simple fact is I have yet to encounter a fitting, using the unmodified equipment/weapon/frame values which can demonstrably indicate the current logi layout is superior.
If you can provide say, a couple of examples (or even one) from each race then lets have a discussion about those cases and see what can be figured out. Until then I'm going to continue to ask for solid proof that there is a problem with the current suit stats/layout.

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They did both

its not that hard ive ran the logi before.

might have been a cheap one but its still a logi.

my main problem is the spam itself.

mainly uplink and nanohive spam.

The only equipment that doesn't scale well with rewards are injectors. Another thing too is with CCP trying to increase TTK by nerfing damage mods, skills, and rifles, you'll see repair tools make a better case for itself.

Equipment is so powerful in turning games, its one of the top deciding factor behind tanks and teamwork, though its wp potential is through the roof compared to any other role, it doesn't compare at all.

I can jump into a match in a bpo suit with nothing but proto uplinks, comple hacking mods, and a militia ScP and get 2000 wps, hacking and channel blues into the appropriate areas, that alone is a full time role, let alone a suit that has 2 other pieces of equipment to roll with.

Hiding/protecting uplinks is extremely easy with just basic common sense, on the newer non fishbowl maps, placing an uplink away from the center of the map (away from commonly traversed areas) and within 120-150 m of an objective keeps it out of scanning range from both passive and active. For the fishbowl maps its less so with hiding and more so with having it next to the front line or having them in a very awkward place, there is something to be said with throwaway dropships and uplinks. So I know your uplink bit is a little overdone, they would still be quite feasible given the changes.

The logi bonus essentially gives them 1 free or 1 66% cpu/pg equipment item, equipment is thy most costly thing fitting wise in the game, and 3 equipment slots plus a ton of modules gives the logi plenty to do running the fit the entire match, being able to pew pew while doing it.

I would also say its a bit of a red herring to say that the changes done to the logi were a proposed fixed to equipment spam, its not, its bad now and most likely be bad after 1.8.

Logi got a utility nerf, thus logis who don't stay equipment heavy get less out of their bonus, and will otherwise feel the bite, also it is undeniable that logis were thy best suits in the game, hence why over 50% of the entire dust population prior to the announcement of 1.8 ran logis. Their versatility is being directed to focusing on equipment use, no one is denying that, but to claim that its broken or not usable when the are thy best at their primary function, which as we gone over is still quite valid, while still being able to shoot and kill with the same weapons appears more to be over dramatic, and FotM defending.

That still remains to be seen, especially when intentionally lag bombing as a frequent tactic on city maps, it really can't go beyond that, I believe uplinks will actually become more strategic and less spam with these changes because longer times means less trench holding prowess and more intelligent locations, while nanos might actually increase in spam but will have a quicker decay rate.

I agree that it should be used to tank while in combat, if there are any disagreeing with that point them out.

I can actually pull up the logistic ships in EVE, you'll find they have even less combat prowess than dust logis and are in fact focused on equipment more so than logis in 1.7. The logi class is actually much much closer to EVE logi ships in 1.8 than they are now, for the idea of boxing you in, your not, the choices are still there, I've also heard the exact same piece from tac ars and flaylocks as well, and with the nature of the game things can come back around and will be modified again to re balance again.

The perception is largely based off on the war barge, usually 7-10 out of 16 is fielding a logi into a match, and what I kill on the field. 50-60% of our player base doesn't play logi because its a good team support suit, they play it because it has comparable numbers to the assault to where you are losing only a little bit compared to the assault stats in exchange for the huge boost in equipment utility, TTK is short enough to where a single light weapon can get you by. So while they may be ranked 8 in combat prowess compared to the assaults 9, but their equipment/support potentially blows the assault apart entirely, which is why they are fielded so often, that and the huge wp gains of equipment which translate to faster isk and sp.

Uplink trenching is only a valid tactic assuming you can consistently pop back into the field in 2 to 3 seconds, barring this, the trench gets broken fast and you just get spawned camped, compared to now which you can field 4-6 guys constantly even if you drop them over and over because they can recreate that trench again with a 2 sec spawn. A weakening in dropuplinks trench abilities are what I justified my belief that they will be less likely to be spammed in the future, and by less I don't mean like a large drop, just a small drop. if People want to lag bomb, they are still free to do it, its just that large amount of uplinks won't have the same trench abilities as before.

Now to keep this shorter, the rest of what you wrote translates to EVE does not equal Dust, which I agree with you, I also have no issues with logis killing things, but I do think your undercutting what logis can do, and what they still will be able to do in 1.8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCx2o7JGWG8

Here is a clear example of repair tool being used in a pure tanking scenario, the wp potential, and again with an increased TTK, this will become more powerful

After a while they got some massive fleet going and tried to push us out (sorry for the lag, should have deactivated some effects beforehand). The fight was going well, until three Basilisks entered the field and we were unable to deliver damage to break their repairs.