Do you guys have any idea how fast a battle can move to a different location or how quick a protohive can be depleted?

You guys just make being a logi useless.

As long as we have deployable support-equipment that you can drop down and forget about we will see equipment spam by players who will just spawn in a different suit after that. Changing to a system as described above, will only hurt the people that want to truly play a logi.

It's time that we realize see that building on the current support-system will always end up sucky in one way or another.

-1 to equipment changes.

only viable change is the snap shot, yet the scan angle should increase to like 120 degree's with that type of cool down they are implementing.

A bit late to the party but here is my honest feedback where I have any opinion at all. For context I've been playing logistics since closed beta so I've been using those tools on a regular basis.

Drop Uplinks
- Increased spawn time, I do not like this at all. One of the reasons why I love/d playing Dust is because it is mostly non-stop action. Having to wait even more between deaths is a buzzkill for me.

Nanohives
- What was the reason to reduce nanites? I see no logical reason for it. The only hive that had too much was the Wiyrkomi Triage hive. I never even thought it was a problem anyway.
- I'm disappointed that the opportunity was not used to introduce a new nanohive at protype level (or an existing one modified). Currently the Ishukone Gauged is by far the best, 4 carried and max 3 deployed. I would have liked to see a variant with 4-5 carried and 1-2 max deployed.

Repair tools
- Again what is the rationale for reduced range and repair rate?
- The range of the Core Focused Repair tool, 7.5m, is simply too short.
- Still no installation specific repair tool (to keep supply depos alive from tank barrages), please bring the old A/7 back.

Active scanners
- I do not like that you have essentially removed the ability to do area sweep scans. This is a massive nerf to the scanner. If you are compelled to keep the instant scan then please at least consider widening the scan angles.
- Scanners are yes very powerful. However, I would have fixed them by buffing profile dampeners (so it would be easier to hide from them), and nerfing the scan duration, especially on the Duvolle Quantum.

Conclusions
I'm really sorry for not being more constructive but it is really hard seeing as most all equipments are getting a massive nerf. Overall I think equipment was fairly balanced as it was before. There were couple of areas that needed desperate improvements, uplink & hive spam, illogical WP rewards for low level gear to name a few, and they are still a problem. You changed things that in my opinion did not need fixing and skipped fixing the most important things that is wrong with equipment.

The major problem I see from this is not so much the specialisation of the suits-> equipment.

I can see Cal and Amarr logi's taking multiple hives/uplinks - making them work more effectively. They are after all the more 'combat' races
The Gal and Min logi's can be counted on for scans / reps, making decent intel/medics.

Remember that since they're getting a reduction to the fitting cost of equipment then they can balance out inadequacies by fitting better equipment. (Something I wish I could do more now) so in a way kinda evens out.

The problem I do have is other classes making use of equipment will be severely hampered. Someone specialising in a assault suit wanting to place uplinks at the start of the battle will have to compromise his fit even more to get the same effect as now.
Scouts may also suffer this problem if they want to have a cloak as well (depending on the visual effectiveness of the cloak. If it is good then the scout can sacrifice protection for good equipment) a basic stable uplink simple won't cut it, even behind the lines - 15s 10 spawns = may as well just hack a CRU.

I think the drop uplinks spawn timers need to be re-thought. It's unreasonable for the adv to be 12 secs and the proto to be 11 secs. There isn't any noticible difference to want to spec into prototype variants. I think the prototypes should have a 8 sec spawn time and the adv flux variant should have 10 sec spawn time with the proto flux having a 6 sec spawn time.

if 1 person can keep everything active, then that means more guns aimed at the enemies, and less repeating actons.

Interesting. I had actually suggested uplink and nanohive proficiency skills as a solution to equipment spam. Your level would determine how many pieces of each you could have active at one time. That way dedicated logis could still drop enough equipment to do their job but the spam brigade would be hindered.

Pretty much 1/2 of my fittings will be this after 1.8, along with my Minlogi for acting like a logi. Not much help for anything but my k/d (which still means nothing). Specialized logi is only useful if it is intended by the individual, but I understand a need for SOME specialization....just not this much.

NOBODY spams proto links. Its always 10 second links everywhere. Remove them problem solved. I NEVER spawn on a 10 anyway. I have been a true logi since day one. Only the best for my team.

I dont really think reptools need a nerf. Barely any 1 uses them apart from hardcore logis so nerfing them will turn plyers away from using them.

While some of these changes make sense (scanner nerf finally!), the core concept of nerfing all equipment, then returning it to its previous level of effectiveness only for specific logi suits, is really a kick in the teeth for equipment-oriented logis everywhere.

The choice between good uplinks, good nanohives, good scanners or good reps shouldn't be dictated by suit, because it forces so many other factors, like slot layout and speed.

In 1.8, you can't both be good at repping and have a sidearm, you can't both be fast and have good uplinks, etc, and that to me flies in the face of Dust's philosophy of fitting freedom.

:( sad logi

I don't get this attitude. You can't have all suits be flexible enough to do anything if they just fit it right. You can still have a somewhat fast amarr deployer, but it wont be as fast as a scout with an uplink, but those uplinks won't be as good as the amarr's.

I wouldn't have this "attitude" if they hadn't given me the nice toys, then taken them away. I just don't get why the blanket equipment nerf was deemed necessary. I feel like this is just another wave of backlash due to slayer logis having been so good for so long, but this is a nerf to the parts of logi-ing that no one complained about. Was 72 nanite clusters too many? No, and even post 1.8 Caldari bonus (108 nanite clusters) would be fine. Was rep tool range too long? Drop uplink spawn count too high, and timers too short? In all the months of forum rage, in which people have posted furiously about nearly every aspect of the game, I have never once seen a topic complaining about any of those things. EDIT: scanners being the obvious exception, they need the nerf badly and the Gallente bonus will only serve to return them to their previous OP status.

To put this issue into different terms, suppose the CR received at 50% damage bonus when used by a Min Assault suit, and that CCP correspondingly decreased the CR's base damage to 70% of its previous value. Now, the Min Assault is dealing 105% of the previous CR damage, while everyone else is stuck with a much weaker version. But what if you had built your clone to be a CR-wielding Gal scout, because you liked the slot layout and stealth of the suit, and the feel of the CR? Your carefully thought out build, tailored to your individual playstyle, is now all but useless in comparison to builds that align with CCP's strict racial bonus lines.

Think my hypothetical about a 50% damage boost sounds absurd? The Amarr Logi bonus to uplinks is larger than that. Halved spawn time and +10 spawns per unit amounts to a truly colossal difference in effectiveness.

I run a Min Logi with uplinks, nanohives, and a scanner, because I like all of those things. I like having the same base speed as assaults, combined with a versatile slot layout that allows me to freely mix speed and tank types depending on the situation, and I think it's the best possible suit for uplink work. I have 0 SP in rep tools, because I'm not that kind of logi. In 1.8, according to these proposed changes, my carefully considered build will be brutally gimped, simply because I'm not following racial tech lines. There's no excuse to EVER use uplinks on a Min Logi when an Amarr Logi makes them more than twice as effective. Rather than getting to play in the SP and fitting sandbox, we're being forced into racial pigeonholes. There's going to be a few cookie-cutter builds for each suit according to its racial bonuses, and that's going to be it. And THAT makes me a sad logi.

The EVE analogy doesn't work here. While it may be one universe, Dust and EVE are VERY different games, and what balances one does not necessarily balance the other. In a game with 16-person fixed team sizes, you can't afford to have logis only be able to use one type of equipment at its current level of effectiveness. Logis have so many equipment slots because we NEED 2/3rds of the equipment in the game to do our job properly! Having 4 equipment slots but being able to use only one type of equipment effectively is huge kick in the teeth.

If there's a respec in 1.8 I'm going commando or scout. I'm done shelling out more ISK for my equipment than most people do for their whole ADV fitting, only to see that equipment nerfed. Seriously, who was complaining about nanohives having too many nanites, or uplinks having excessively fast spawn timers? Just leave equipment stats alone, implement the new suit bonuses, and see how things play out. I don't think these nerfs (except for the scanner) are necessary at all.

While I can agree with the scanner nerf, I honestly dont understand the level of the other equipment nerfs. I hope CCP is giving at least a dropsuit tree respec with 1.8 as these are some profound changes.

This is very true, but I think a counter point here is that you don't have to switch suits, given that you don't like scanners but are specced into Gallente Logi. The fact is that Gallente Logi still brings the innate armor repair (probably, not released yet), strong armor tanking/slot count, many equipment slots, etc. That's why you should go Gallente Logi. The scan bonuses are nice, but you're not seeing the whole picture. You still have many more equipment slots (and more HP) than an assault suit. Yes, Gal. Logi will be the best at scanning, to be sure, as Caldari Logi will be at hives, Amarr at uplinks, and Minmatar at repairing. CCP is creating a distinction between Logi = healer and Logi = support. They're making Logi into a broader role that supports other players on the battlefield, by providing them various buffs (ability to spawn wherever faster/better, ability to replenish supplies more/better, providing tactical information on other team for longer, healing their damaged armor/allowing them to last longer in the battle).

Gone are the days of the master Logi do-it-alls. It's probably a very healthy change for the game. I do think it's curious, however, that the two shield tanking races are the best at armor-related triage, through Caldari-buffed hives or Minmatar-buffed repair. I understand the racial connection to the equipment; it's just an oddity the way it turned out.

How would you feel about PRO uplinks and PRO mCRUs having a second or so longer spawn time than CRUs? (Whatever those values are, CRUs would be fastest.)

Any dev response to all this feedback yet?

If the equpiment is getting redruced in effectiveness can we at least get a price reduction on proto tier equpiment?Paying 21k for a nanohive or 35k for a rep tool is ridiculous if these changes go through and prices stay the same

$360 to $400...jebus, buy a PS4 and play one of those games instead.
I feel so poor as a gamer...

IKR, I was thinking that myself but in all reality, I've been told that if I hadn't spent that money on Dust and saved it I could have. I had spent the money on Dust instead of on Eve, now it makes me a very sad panda that we have this "balance pass" coming out along with the new suits and still the Logi is by far the worst suit for trying to be isk efficient in, its about saving your bros but sacrificing yourself. How does CCP expect us to pay for these proto mods on a regular basis if they are effectively cutting our isk sources and removing health?

Active scanners are and will be way too effective for their virtually non-existent drawbacks. The ability to both detect and paint your enemies for your entire team repeatedly without limit is extremely powerful if not game breaking. Especially after the effectiveness of passive radar was reduced.

Active scanners need larger cool down times than a couple of seconds to balance out their power; they need whole minutes.