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Kharga Lum Arcana Imperii Ltd. 243	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:52:00 - [1] - Quote Is it just me or it is MASSIVE. 80m and it'll out DPS my laser. Maybe my mistake is the heavy suit. To slow to dodge.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1488	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:01:00 - [2] - Quote I've noticed this too. They often deal more range to me than I do to the at ranges as far out as 72m, when I'm using my Laser Rifle. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2704	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:08:00 - [3] - Quote Because 80m is in effective range for a high end CR? Hot fix for Laser Rifle is coming before 1.8 to make it more competitive according to CCP Remnant. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/weaponstats.jpg // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6051	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:09:00 - [4] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Because 80m is in effective range for a high end CR? Hot fix for Laser Rifle is coming before 1.8 to make it more competitive according to CCP Remnant. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/weaponstats.jpg It also out DPSes the ScR which is supposed to be a longer range gun. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 49	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:09:00 - [5] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Because 80m is in effective range for a high end CR? Hot fix for Laser Rifle is coming before 1.8 to make it more competitive according to CCP Remnant. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/weaponstats.jpg Wrong link much?
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 374	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:14:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah I use just the basic one and it owns everything but a rail rifle, But that has some what to do with its botched damage resits, only -5 to shields not -10
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1427	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:15:00 - [7] - Quote The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It should out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. Fish in a bucket!
XxDuneRayxX Legacy Rising 24	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:16:00 - [8] - Quote i have died too many times from combat rifles i try my best to stay away, i barely ever beat them
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 528	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:17:00 - [9] - Quote CR is as brutal as the AR when it comes to whelping out at 80m, out damaging RRs n **** its crazy
XxDuneRayxX Legacy Rising 24	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:20:00 - [10] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: CR is as brutal as the AR when it comes to whelping out at 80m, out damaging RRs n **** its crazy CCP really need to try out these guns before they actually put it in because there is always a problem after an update

Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 213	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:23:00 - [11] - Quote I've been saying this all along but ppl just ignore me.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 370	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:49:00 - [12] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Because 80m is in effective range for a high end CR? Hot fix for Laser Rifle is coming before 1.8 to make it more competitive according to CCP Remnant. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/weaponstats.jpg Wrong link much? Actually that supported his claim that 80m is the effective range of the highend CR. He never said he was gonna link Remnant promising a LR hotfix I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1451	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:55:00 - [13] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Yeah I use just the basic one and it owns everything but a rail rifle, But that has some what to do with its botched damage resits, only -5 to shields not -10 It isn't botched. Projectile weapons have been like that for the entire history of the game. I don't know why CCP did it that way, but it is very clearly intentional. They've even blog posted about it. IMO, damage profiles should be: Laser = 120% shield, 80% armor Plasma = 110% shield, 90% armor Rail = 100% shield, 100% armor Projectile = 90% shield, 110% armor Explosive = 80% shield, 120% armor But you know. That'd make too much sense. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 92	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:10:00 - [14] - Quote I have to admit, I do love my CR that I use, and I only use the RS-90 to conserve on fitting. It still absolutely rips through people except tanked logis and fatsuits with RRs. Something probably should be done about it, however I don't want it adjusted until RR goes down, otherwise all I have left against RR is ScR (which isn't the worst). Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2706	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:38:00 - [15] - Quote Arirana wrote: NK Scout wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Because 80m is in effective range for a high end CR? Hot fix for Laser Rifle is coming before 1.8 to make it more competitive according to CCP Remnant. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65468/1/weaponstats.jpg Wrong link much? Actually that supported his claim that 80m is the effective range of the highend CR. He never said he was gonna link Remnant promising a LR hotfix This. Thanks, Arirana. I wasn't clear why I was linking that but since it had CR ranges I thought it would make sense in the context of the post. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 982	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:56:00 - [16] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Is it just me or it is MASSIVE. 80m and it'll out DPS my laser. Maybe my mistake is the heavy suit. To slow to dodge. With more and more people switching to KB/M, out strafing scoped weapons is getting less and less doable by the day regardless of the suit. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 982	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:03:00 - [17] - Quote I love how people complain that semi-auto weapons out DPS full auto weapons. OF COURSE THEY DO. They require you to place shots rather than spray damage everywhere and just swipe your crosshair across someone to damage them. I also love how people complain that CR's out DPS the ScR. When, if you charge your first shot with the ScR, you out DPS the CR for the first 3 seconds. How many of you have enough health to take 3 seconds worth of ScR fire? Yeah, that's what I thought. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3083	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:05:00 - [18] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: I love how people complain that semi-auto weapons out DPS full auto weapons. OF COURSE THEY DO. They require you to place shots rather than spray damage everywhere and just swipe your crosshair across someone to damage them. I also love how people complain that CR's out DPS the ScR. When, if you charge your first shot with the ScR, you out DPS the CR for the first 3 seconds. How many of you have enough health to take 3 seconds worth of ScR fire? Yeah, that's what I thought. Heavies even have trouble living through the first few seconds of scrambler rifle fire. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1662	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:05:00 - [19] - Quote if shields were good I suspect it would be fine, but they can't compete with armor tanks currently
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 93	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:11:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: I love how people complain that semi-auto weapons out DPS full auto weapons. OF COURSE THEY DO. They require you to place shots rather than spray damage everywhere and just swipe your crosshair across someone to damage them. I also love how people complain that CR's out DPS the ScR. When, if you charge your first shot with the ScR, you out DPS the CR for the first 3 seconds. How many of you have enough health to take 3 seconds worth of ScR fire? Yeah, that's what I thought. Heavies even have trouble living through the first few seconds of scrambler rifle fire. Yeah, ScR is still super effective. I've been using CR for some time now, but decided to take out my Imperial again today for some Dom matches. Forgot just how fun that piece of equipment is at medium to long range. Even the heavies with RR didn't last too long, and I have zero proficiency even, just two damage mods. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1638	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:15:00 - [21] - Quote 8213 wrote: The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It shouldn't out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. How about 100/100 getting tired of everything ripping through armor and all the shield killer weapons being garbage Thank you :) Armor and Shields are not the same!
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 214	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:30:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: 8213 wrote: The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It shouldn't out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. How about 100/100 getting tired of everything ripping through armor and all the shield killer weapons being garbage Thank you :) I wish the ScrR was garbage but it clearly isn't, and the AR just isn't the king it once was but still far from garbage.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 93	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:35:00 - [23] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: 8213 wrote: The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It shouldn't out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. How about 100/100 getting tired of everything ripping through armor and all the shield killer weapons being garbage Thank you :) I wish the ScrR was garbage but it clearly isn't, and the AR just isn't the king it once was but still far from garbage. I miss my beloved AR. Picking people off from elevated balconies or roofs with burst fired iron sighted head shots. Good times lol. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1638	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:04:00 - [24] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: 8213 wrote: The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It shouldn't out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. There are 7 shield killing weapons. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. How about 100/100 getting tired of everything ripping through armor and all the shield killer weapons being garbage Thank you :) I wish the ScrR was garbage but it clearly isn't, and the AR just isn't the king it once was but still far from garbage. There are 6 infantry shield killers ingame, vs 9 infantry armor killers. AR, SHOTGUN, SCR, LASER, SCP, ION PISTOL Out or these the only one not out classed is the SCR, the AR is outclassed by the RR and the CR and the SCR thus it is obsolete, the laser rifle and shotgun are broken as hell, the SCP is a novelty weapon and the ion pistol has the smallest dps of all the pistols and it's charge shot has an overheat cooldown meaning using the charge shot will keep you from switching weapons (probably) so it's probably going to be useless. There are 9 armor killers RR, CR, Massdriver, flaylock, sniper rifle, SMG, Magsec SMG, bolt pistol. RR and CR are the best guns right now, the RR being the best omni weapon and having the best DPS distribution out of all the guns due to its range the CR comes second. Thales and Charges with damage mods are insta-win buttons, the magsec boasts the same range as a AR but slightly lower DPS it's basically a cheap AR that costs half the price, the bolt pistol does a whopping 150 per shot fully automatic and has the range of a AR. Because armor is slow all of these weapons just build upon their bonuses to obliterate armor. The SMG flaylock and MD duck so they don't count. This leaves a total of 1 effective and 1 semi effective shield killer. And 5 effective armor killers. Armor and Shields are not the same!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1663	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:08:00 - [25] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: 8213 wrote: The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It shouldn't out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. There are 7 shield killing weapons. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. How about 100/100 getting tired of everything ripping through armor and all the shield killer weapons being garbage Thank you :) I wish the ScrR was garbage but it clearly isn't, and the AR just isn't the king it once was but still far from garbage. There are 6 infantry shield killers ingame, vs 9 infantry armor killers. AR, SHOTGUN, SCR, LASER, SCP, ION PISTOL Out or these the only one not out classed is the SCR, the AR is outclassed by the RR and the CR and the SCR thus it is obsolete, the laser rifle and shotgun are broken as hell, the SCP is a novelty weapon and the ion pistol has the smallest dps of all the pistols and it's charge shot has an overheat cooldown meaning using the charge shot will keep you from switching weapons (probably) so it's probably going to be useless. There are 9 armor killers RR, CR, Massdriver, flaylock, sniper rifle, SMG, Magsec SMG, bolt pistol. RR and CR are the best guns right now, the RR being the best omni weapon and having the best DPS distribution out of all the guns due to its range the CR comes second. Thales and Charges with damage mods are insta-win buttons, the magsec boasts the same range as a AR but slightly lower DPS it's basically a cheap AR that costs half the price, the bolt pistol does a whopping 150 per shot fully automatic and has the range of a AR. Because armor is slow all of these weapons just build upon their bonuses to obliterate armor. The SMG flaylock and MD duck so they don't count. This leaves a total of 1 effective and 1 semi effective shield killer. And 5 effective armor killers. true but armor killing weapons tend to need to get through 40% more ehp
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1638	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:13:00 - [26] - Quote calisk galern wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: 8213 wrote: The problem is, with that kind of fire rate, it needs more check and balances. 80% Shields / 120% Armor damage Maybe a .75% reduction in base damage as well. Even against a shield tank, that thing rips right through you because its just pelts you instantly. The range could use a major nerf. It shouldn't out DPS a AR past 50m. More fall off is needed. There are 7 shield killing weapons. But the Rail Rifle is still more of a problem, as it is a no skill weapon. Just hold down the trigger and spray 55 damage? A 5yr old could do that. But, CCP is trying to take skill out of the game, so it doesn't really matter. They want it to be CoD, because CoD makes money... DUST 514 has proven not to. How about 100/100 getting tired of everything ripping through armor and all the shield killer weapons being garbage Thank you :) I wish the ScrR was garbage but it clearly isn't, and the AR just isn't the king it once was but still far from garbage. There are 6 infantry shield killers ingame, vs 9 infantry armor killers. AR, SHOTGUN, SCR, LASER, SCP, ION PISTOL Out or these the only one not out classed is the SCR, the AR is outclassed by the RR and the CR and the SCR thus it is obsolete, the laser rifle and shotgun are broken as hell, the SCP is a novelty weapon and the ion pistol has the smallest dps of all the pistols and it's charge shot has an overheat cooldown meaning using the charge shot will keep you from switching weapons (probably) so it's probably going to be useless. There are 9 armor killers RR, CR, Massdriver, flaylock, sniper rifle, SMG, Magsec SMG, bolt pistol. RR and CR are the best guns right now, the RR being the best omni weapon and having the best DPS distribution out of all the guns due to its range the CR comes second. Thales and Charges with damage mods are insta-win buttons, the magsec boasts the same range as a AR but slightly lower DPS it's basically a cheap AR that costs half the price, the bolt pistol does a whopping 150 per shot fully automatic and has the range of a AR. Because armor is slow all of these weapons just build upon their bonuses to obliterate armor. The SMG flaylock and MD duck so they don't count. This leaves a total of 1 effective and 1 semi effective shield killer. And 5 effective armor killers. true but armor killing weapons tend to need to get through 40% more ehp 25%. A caldari can max 662 shields in 1.7, a Gallente will max 866 using enhanced in 1.8 using complex extenders is still stupid. 730 if the Gallente uses 1 armor repairer. Armor and Shields are not the same!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1663	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:14:00 - [27] - Quote [quote=BL4CKST4R] 25%. A caldari can max 662 shields in 1.7, a Gallente will max 866 using enhanced in 1.8 using complex extenders is still stupid.[/quote my current logi suit has 1040 ehp 180 ish in shield and 860 in armor
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1638	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:17:00 - [28] - Quote calisk galern wrote: [quote=BL4CKST4R] 25%. A caldari can max 662 shields in 1.7, a Gallente will max 866 using enhanced in 1.8 using complex extenders is still stupid.[/quote my current logi suit has 1040 ehp 180 ish in shield and 860 in armor I said in 1.8 lol I'm using 4 slots and assaults Armor and Shields are not the same!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1663	Posted - 2014.01.22 03:18:00 - [29] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: calisk galern wrote: [quote=BL4CKST4R] 25%. A caldari can max 662 shields in 1.7, a Gallente will max 866 using enhanced in 1.8 using complex extenders is still stupid.[/quote my current logi suit has 1040 ehp 180 ish in shield and 860 in armor I said in 1.8 lol I'm using 4 slots and assaults well nobody has any idea what the balance will be like in 1.8, new guns, and various patches will likely be in place.


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