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Bad JuJu Jones R 0 N 1 N 0	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:25:00 - [1] - Quote is it just me or does anyone else feel the AR loses its luster to the Combat Rifle? I mean if you look at the Burst AR compared to the bottom of the barrel Combat Rifle the ISK cost and performance seem to clearly favor the combat Rifle and makes the Burst Assault Rifle obsolete in Every way.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 104	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:28:00 - [2] - Quote All the ARs are outclassed and outdone ATM. Highest DPS belongs to the assault rail rifle, highest range to regular rail rifle, highest ROF to combat rifles, and her DPS and range ain to shabby either. Hence why combat rifle and rail rifles are king. Since all I run is AR, I can't wait for inevitable nerf/buff to come Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8011	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:29:00 - [3] - Quote The AR is generally obsolete by now, yes. It is outperformed in DPS, range, RoF, and accuracy. In at least two of those categories any assault variant of another rifle outperforms it. In the other two, the difference is not significant. RR? Slightly more damage. Much, much more range. RoF isn't much different. Very accurate. CR? Much more damage. More range. More RoF. More accurate. SCR? Much more damage. Much more range. Semi-auto fires as fast as you want pretty much. More accurate. ARR? Same as the RR. ACR? Similar damage. More range. More RoF. More accurate. ASCR? Similar damage. More range. Similar RoF. Similar accuracy. Also has a much longer clip. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 175	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:30:00 - [4] - Quote I normally only get around 500 WP per match using an Adanced AR, I Skilled into Standard CR's and I'm getting around 800 every match. Maybe the weapon is just right for me .... more likely it is a bit on the OP side.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2647	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:34:00 - [5] - Quote The Burst AR is supposed to be the bad copy of the CR. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8013	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:40:00 - [6] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The Burst AR is supposed to be the bad copy of the CR. This is a terrible argument. Why design a weapon to be awful? If this is truly the case, why are the assault variants of the other rifles not awful? It would logically follow that they're bad copies of the plasma rifle, after all. Yet they're not. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Bad JuJu Jones R 0 N 1 N 0	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:41:00 - [7] - Quote Hrmmm you would think more thought and testing would be put into the addition to new weapons to keep them in line with pros AND con's for balance. Its just a bitter taste when you have all those points in AR skill tree. Oh well, I guess every kill with an inferior weapon just adds to the glory!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 106	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:42:00 - [8] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The Burst AR is supposed to be the bad copy of the CR. By this theory shouldn't all the assault variants be crapy copies of the AR? I have not don't the math on combat rifles, as I think the big issue is players using modded co trolers with that, hence why rail rifles are the more common of the two to encounter. But all of teir assault vaients GREATLY increase their DPS and outclass the assault rifle. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4346	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:49:00 - [9] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The Burst AR is supposed to be the bad copy of the CR. By this theory shouldn't all the assault variants be crapy copies of the AR? I have not don't the math on combat rifles, as I think the big issue is players using modded co trolers with that, hence why rail rifles are the more common of the two to encounter. But all of teir assault vaients GREATLY increase their DPS and outclass the assault rifle. yes they should, ccp rarely get things right first time however. given time they should be brought back into line though. i think one of the biggest issues though is the overlaps in the engagement envelopes, more things could probably be done to distinguish between the rifles optimal ranges, something like the LR's efficiency changes over range, that kind of thing. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 293	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote Bad JuJu Jones wrote: is it just me or does anyone else feel the AR loses its luster to the Combat Rifle? I mean if you look at the Burst AR compared to the bottom of the barrel Combat Rifle the ISK cost and performance seem to clearly favor the combat Rifle and makes the Burst Assault Rifle obsolete in Every way. its not just u. Gal weapons supposed to be best in CQC but bad design is hurting them right now.

The Infected One Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 592	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:54:00 - [11] - Quote I think that the "Blaster Rifles" could use a slight buff, nothing crazy, but maybe 3 or 4 damage per shot. That being said, the weapons are being redesigned in this new patch, so we will have to wait and see how things go. I still like the Burst AR, and the Tac AR. I still love the GEK and the Duv, the breach variants not so much, they are accurate as hell and hit like a mule, but the range and ROF are out performed in their niche by everything else. Since were finally getting all of our racial variants for everything, I've gone full Minmatar seeing as that's what I wanted in the first place. Goodbye Caldari and Gallente (For now), ** you Amarr, you filthy space obsessed nation. ** YOU AND YOUR GOD! What does a Minmatar use in battle? Whatever he can acquire, be it Minmatar tech, or something picked off the enemy.
CRISIS BATTLESUIT The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 20	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:55:00 - [12] - Quote There's nothing wrong with the mainstay assault rifle (AR) when being used within it's range. I have also used with the burst AR 1 VS 1 against the combat rifle and came out on top the victor. Though I admit I have been beaten plenty of times within the AR range VS Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles. Rail Rifles really shouldn't be that good hip firing in close quarter combat.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1650	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:59:00 - [13] - Quote How to fix combat rifle. Change it from +10% vs armor and -5% vs shields to +5% vs armor and -5% vs shields. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Long Evity 1133	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:00:00 - [14] - Quote Bad JuJu Jones wrote: is it just me or does anyone else feel the AR loses its luster to the Combat Rifle? I mean if you look at the Burst AR compared to the bottom of the barrel Combat Rifle the ISK cost and performance seem to clearly favor the combat Rifle and makes the Burst Assault Rifle obsolete in Every way. Not just the AR - HMG is out preformed by it too. Just an insane weapon. Wish they'd low RoF a tad. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Bad JuJu Jones R 0 N 1 N 1	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:11:00 - [15] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Bad JuJu Jones wrote: is it just me or does anyone else feel the AR loses its luster to the Combat Rifle? I mean if you look at the Burst AR compared to the bottom of the barrel Combat Rifle the ISK cost and performance seem to clearly favor the combat Rifle and makes the Burst Assault Rifle obsolete in Every way. Not just the AR - HMG is out preformed by it too. Just an insane weapon. Wish they'd low RoF a tad. The ROF or the damage output, I agree 100%... and make it cost the same as the Burst AR.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 109	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:37:00 - [16] - Quote Or just make it like the tactile AR. It has **** hip fire. Can still work cqc if like point blank, but you have to use the whole damb clip usually, BC your shots are going to miss. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3753	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:38:00 - [17] - Quote Bad JuJu Jones wrote: is it just me or does anyone else feel the AR loses its luster to the Combat Rifle? I mean if you look at the Burst AR compared to the bottom of the barrel Combat Rifle the ISK cost and performance seem to clearly favor the combat Rifle and makes the Burst Assault Rifle obsolete in Every way. Same for SCR vs RR. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2785	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:22:00 - [18] - Quote Combat Rifle is so broken that you might as well give up any arguments for nerfing it. The reason that every rifle after the AR introduced to the game is greater than the AR is because back when the AR was the only rifle, everyone bitched about it because it was the single greatest killing weapon in the game. To cease perpetuation of these whines, CCP introduced the rifles being all around greater than the Assault Rifle. I have also asked the infamous question "Why can't assault rifle variants keep up with the other rifles while the Assault variant of other rifles can more than compete with the Assault Rifle". It's a hopeless question because everyone just barks that the AR variants should be weaker than their rifle counterparts and just tend to neglect the variants of the other rifles. I have an alt who uses the combat rifle and I am disgusted by the weapon. I won't give my reasons because people will just bark at me. So you might as well just accept being all around lesser because that's just the game. If you stick with it in a long time some miracle buff will be pushed your way and then the revenge is all the more sweet. I use the GB-9 which was given a good range buff (same as Assault Rifle) and I used it before it's buff. I get many kills with it, many more at greater ranges now though too. I also use the Burst Assault Rifle, GK-13 and Allotek. I have to admittedly slap some damage amplifiers on it and get proficiency 3 for it to be tolerable. I honestly don't use it very much because it is the lesser of least rifles. I use the TAR alot still and advocate it. My point is to take a deep breath and just live through it. I don't rage very often at all. Maybe twice since October 2012. Invest in some kind of non-direct combat thing, like I run a scout so I don't get scanned and I'm fast so I just tend to win because I surprise them even with the AR in the relative states it's currently in. I agree with your thoughts OP but I just gave up and spent the effort elsewhere. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1830	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:56:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Same for SCR vs RR. Eh... 1.) Charge feature can make it a hell of an Alpha, keep the charge, hit the target and then follow up with normal shots. 2.) Scrambler is king against shield targets and takes them down faster then the RR. I kinda disagree but hey to each their own. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 709	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:06:00 - [20] - Quote All Rifle needs nerfing tbh....... "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^

Sgt Buttscratch 1339	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:11:00 - [21] - Quote This is a crock of ****. The Gallente AR still works very very well, been raping face with mine all day, took down kaaly RR, boundless CR..ETC, I was even using a breach at one point. What has happened is the new rifles have change the way in which you must approach things, adjust, adapt, HTFU whatever, just figure out how to use them efficiently and you'll see they all work fine within their little worlds. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 85	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:20:00 - [22] - Quote devonus durga wrote: All the ARs are outclassed and outdone ATM. Highest DPS belongs to the assault rail rifle, highest range to regular rail rifle, highest ROF to combat rifles, and her DPS and range ain to shabby either. Hence why combat rifle and rail rifles are king. Since all I run is AR, I can't wait for inevitable nerf/buff to come I have skills for all rifles, so whatever gets nerfed or buffed won't bother me much (primarily use CR now), I"ll just swap back over, but AR for me was king and it infuriated me to see it get cast out into oblivion. Could easily go 30+ repeatedly in matches with it but unfortunately the range got clipped along with DPS. However, I await the nerf also, especially to RR. The only thing I hate running into on the field as much as tank spam is a fatsuit with a RR. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 829	Posted - 2014.01.19 03:27:00 - [23] - Quote i see people STILL dont understand the advantages and disadvantages to each of the different rifles yet, and that each one needs to be used differently and eganged with and against differently. the ROF on the regular combat and scrambler rifles are the only potentially imbalance there is right now other then the plasma rifle varients being underwhelming when compaired to their equivilants amung the new rifles (breach/burst/tac) but i think that part may be by design. the gun game changed witht he new rifles and plasma rifles are the underdogs becuase people are so damn used to them being top dog in every area that they cant grasp their new place amung the rifles as being king of the "assault" varients rather then king of everything.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 117	Posted - 2014.01.19 04:02:00 - [24] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i see people STILL dont understand the advantages and disadvantages to each of the different rifles yet, and that each one needs to be used differently and eganged with and against differently. the ROF on the regular combat and scrambler rifles are the only potentially imbalance there is right now other then the plasma rifle varients being underwhelming when compaired to their equivilants amung the new rifles (breach/burst/tac) but i think that part may be by design. the gun game changed witht he new rifles and plasma rifles are the underdogs becuase people are so damn used to them being top dog in every area that they cant grasp their new place amung the rifles as being king of the "assault" varients rather then king of everything. I don't mind being outclassed outside 30 meters. However I should be able to out damage all the other rifles since I have to get so bloody close. RR is only 3 DPS behind an Ar (basic) but an assault rail rifle beats a gel by roughly 15 DPS, has a more accurate hip fire, longer effective range,A lot more damage per magazine. The rail rifle is the same except the 3 measly less DPS, and due to the armor bias of most suits they actually probably outperform if I had the numbers of avg shields/armorof suits in game. We are not king of the assault vaients, and if I had the time I would I've you the numbers to prove it. And we should be ki g of the rifles period inside 30 meters. What we really need is a minimum optimal range. Say 30-40 meters. Below your weapons optimal range your damage starts dropping off, because your bullet doesn't have enough time to reach optimal velocity. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Dkafamos Comando Brasil 41	Posted - 2014.01.19 04:05:00 - [25] - Quote devonus durga wrote: All the ARs are outclassed and outdone ATM. Highest DPS belongs to the assault rail rifle, highest range to regular rail rifle, highest ROF to combat rifles, and her DPS and range ain to shabby either. Hence why combat rifle and rail rifles are king. Since all I run is AR, I can't wait for inevitable nerf/buff to come I wouldn't mind a nerft to CR as a whole and some nerfs to the Rail Rifle (although I'm a user and I can't understand the huge deal of it, mostly because I'm a new player and ain't killing horrors with it anyway =P)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3342	Posted - 2014.01.19 04:08:00 - [26] - Quote CRISIS BATTLESUIT wrote: There's nothing wrong with the mainstay assault rifle (AR) when being used within it's range. I have also used with the burst AR 1 VS 1 against the combat rifle and came out on top the victor. Though I admit I have been beaten plenty of times within the AR range VS Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles. Rail Rifles really shouldn't be that good hip firing in close quarter combat. The AR is not that good in CQC anymore, honestly I feel more adept with an SMG and tend to get more kills too. The "I killed a guy once with..." argument is a flawed one. Anything can happen. For example I went 23-7 with the Plasma Cannon the other day, seems like the Plasma Cannon is perfect right? Wrong. My average score is 7 kills 6 deaths. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior


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