What do you think makes an AVer? (Assuming that the faction actually exists).

I played with somebody named Melissa Lewis and he claimed to be the best AVr. He solo multiple tanks in battles so of you can do that i imagine that'll make you an AVer.

That doesn't make you "the best" AV.

I do that consistently, and I don't even consider myself to be "the best."

Ok?

You call yourself one... can we stop with these topics?

someone who deleted all their other suits that diddnt have an AV weapon as their primary.

That's suicidal for Swarm users.

SMG is secretly a primary weapon, i know because i used it as one for 2-3 months because i diddnt like the plasma rifle.

Not with the bonus that's being changed on the Minmatar Assault suits.

That doesn't make you "the best" AV.

I do that consistently, and I don't even consider myself to be "the best."

No AVer is truly an AVer without intelligence. So many people try to AV, but don't realize that swarms don't travel through walls.

Yes you do.

People aren't trying to hit the walls.

The Swarm AI is literally that stupid.

sooo you havnt figured out how to aim swarms yet? they travel a short while before the AI takes over and redirects them making it so you can shoot around corners or adjust their angle of attack to give them the angle nessesary to go over hills.

sooo you havnt figured out how to aim swarms yet? they travel a short while before the AI takes over and redirects them making it so you can shoot around corners or adjust their angle of attack to give them the angle nessesary to go over hills.

That doesn't make you "the best" AV.

I do that consistently, and I don't even consider myself to be "the best."

And im guessing that's why you let me roflstomp your entire team with my tank, right?

I didn't "let" you do anything.

But the fact that you assume that I didn't try to kill you manages to do nothing but reinforce my point about AV being a non-factor.

Rather ironic. You insult me, yet the insult makes my point even more credible. Kinda like that hate thread from a few weeks ago.

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The willingness to risk death over and over for the sheer joy of watching someone lose a half-million ISK Death Machine.

Being willing to keep attacking said death machine until it's nothing but a burned wreck.

Considering enemy infantry annoying pests who seem to make it their purpose in life to interrupt your holy calling: burning tank drivers alive.

Seriously ignoring that moron with the AR to squeeze off that last shot that might kill a vehicle, and it's driver.

Getting mad that your shot got messed up and revenge-blapping the guy who screwed your shot.

No, you are just bad.

I played a few games today.

Against full squads of enemies with only a logi.

Total score was 23 tanks, 14 dropsships over three rounds.

It got boring blowing stuff up, and the enemy eventually stopped trying, so I had to go on the ground.

Squaded up with a full crew, and between the two forges, and a tank, enemy vehicles stood absolutely zero chance.

If tanks are rolling over you, you are bad. No more excuses. Stop being a scrub.

You are not making any point.
You must have played against terrible players as all the good players are either taking a break or running militia fits to minimize costs due to the broken game

I assure you, I can tackle ANY tank that any player could put forth.

That is what AV does.

If you can't say the same, then you need more SP.

I assure you, I can tackle ANY tank that any player could put forth.

That is what AV does.

If you can't say the same, then you need more SP.

I only have 10 million SP and its spread rather thin.
The problem with tanks is that with a militia tank you can do more damage and a militia suit can't take you out.
Of course with all Proto AV and maybe advanced Militia tanks are no problem

You are only true to your Anti-Vehicle quest when you have 20+ fittings with Anti-vehicle potential.

No, you are just bad.

I played a few games today.

Against full squads of enemies with only a logi.

Total score was 23 tanks, 14 dropsships over three rounds.

It got boring blowing stuff up, and the enemy eventually stopped trying, so I had to go on the ground.

Squaded up with a full crew, and between the two forges, and a tank, enemy vehicles stood absolutely zero chance.

If tanks are rolling over you, you are bad. No more excuses. Stop being a scrub.

This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate:

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced.

1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that.

2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you?

3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt.

4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness.

These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth.

But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR:

Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them.

I assure you, I can tackle ANY tank that any player could put forth.

That is what AV does.

If you can't say the same, then you need more SP.

Atiim,

You're mad because you're bad.

I plasma and FlayLock, U MAD?

Please, take my Swarm Launcher and show me that I need more SP.

If I am having problems using my weapon, then it must be because of my skill right?

If you truly believe this, then go get Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon. Show us that you can do it better than us, and that it's fine.

I know that you won't take me up on my challenge, because your to afraid that someone will prove that there is a problem with AV.

Nobody would. Not the Attorney General. Not Spkr4TheDead. Not Charollette O'dell. And definetly not Tankahiro.

Until you can prove otherwise, Swarms are underpowered.

Please, take my Swarm Launcher and show me that I need more SP.

If I am having problems using my weapon, then it must be because of my skill right?

If you truly believe this, then go get Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon. Show us that you can do it better than us, and that it's fine.

I know that you won't take me up on my challenge, because your to afraid that someone will prove that there is a problem with AV.

Nobody would. Not the Attorney General. Not Spkr4TheDead. Not Charollette O'dell. And definetly not Tankahiro.

Until you can prove otherwise, Swarms are underpowered.

I can do it with an RE trap and the necessary grenade.

F your swarms.

I can shoot, why would I need swarms?

I am an AV'er, why would I need swarms?

Not when a forge and grenade does it right, everytime. Your just mad because your bad, and your scrub swarms got nerfed.

Any situation where you need to be in a medium frame to fight tanks, you might as well be laying traps and running a rifle. That way you can tend to an objective and be a deterrent to vehicles. That way you have a much better chance of getting away. That way you can operate at a flag and hold it against the infantry that needs to come in and take the flag.

I would assume it's someone who Enjoys the Role of Killing vehicles

Not someone who specked into AV because it was a role they felt they HAD to have to counter vehicles