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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:24:00 -
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A while back I asked a similar question, asking what made someone a tanker.
But upon fishing through my favorites, I had a similar question.
So I want to know:
Atiim wrote:What do you think makes an AVer? (Assuming that the faction actually exists). And no excuses this time trolls. I've already fed you.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:31:00 -
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Bleeding Knight wrote:I played with somebody named Melissa Lewis and he claimed to be the best AVr. He solo multiple tanks in battles so of you can do that i imagine that'll make you an AVer. That doesn't make you "the best" AV.
I do that consistently, and I don't even consider myself to be "the best."
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:07:00 -
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Bleeding Knight wrote:Atiim wrote:Bleeding Knight wrote:I played with somebody named Melissa Lewis and he claimed to be the best AVr. He solo multiple tanks in battles so of you can do that i imagine that'll make you an AVer. That doesn't make you "the best" AV. I do that consistently, and I don't even consider myself to be "the best." Ok? I guess? idk
I honestly forgot what my point was when I typed this.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:32:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:You call yourself one... can we stop with these topics? Yes, I call myself one.
I just want to know what other people think an AVer is.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:34:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:someone who deleted all their other suits that diddnt have an AV weapon as their primary. That's suicidal for Swarm users.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:39:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:someone who deleted all their other suits that diddnt have an AV weapon as their primary. That's suicidal for Swarm users. SMG is secretly a primary weapon, i know because i used it as one for 2-3 months because i diddnt like the plasma rifle. Not with the bonus that's being changed on the Minmatar Assault suits.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:37:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No AVer is truly an AVer without intelligence. So many people try to AV, but don't realize that swarms don't travel through walls. People aren't trying to hit the walls.
The Swarm AI is literally that stupid.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:38:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Yes you do. No, I don't.
Why does everyone assume that? Where have I ever said that I am the best?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 03:52:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote: sooo you havnt figured out how to aim swarms yet? they travel a short while before the AI takes over and redirects them making it so you can shoot around corners or adjust their angle of attack to give them the angle nessesary to go over hills.
I've been using Swarms for over half a year now. I know what I'm doing.
A firing a Swarm near terrain is like relying on RDVs.
Sometimes the swarms are beasts and track a vehicle no matter how many times it turns; and other times it throws itself straight into a wall or crashes into the ground.
And don't even get me started about that old glitch where your Swarms would fly in circles. That was f*cking annoying.
Aiming your SL all the way up sometimes breaks your lock. No AI can function no matter how terrible if you can't even lock.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 04:17:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote: And im guessing that's why you let me roflstomp your entire team with my tank, right?
I didn't "let" you do anything.
But the fact that you assume that I didn't try to kill you manages to do nothing but reinforce my point about AV being a non-factor.
Rather ironic. You insult me, yet the insult makes my point even more credible. Kinda like that hate thread from a few weeks ago.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 05:51:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote: No, you are just bad.
I played a few games today.
Against full squads of enemies with only a logi.
Total score was 23 tanks, 14 dropsships over three rounds.
It got boring blowing stuff up, and the enemy eventually stopped trying, so I had to go on the ground.
Squaded up with a full crew, and between the two forges, and a tank, enemy vehicles stood absolutely zero chance.
If tanks are rolling over you, you are bad. No more excuses. Stop being a scrub.
Let me guess, you use a Forge Gun don't you? Go AV with a Swarm Launcher or Plasma Cannon and then come back to me saying how AV is fine.
I'll take that insult about me being a scrub seriously when tanking actually requires skill.
I've waited so long for you to come back here. Just so I can slap you with this.
Goric Rumis wrote:This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate:
Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced.
1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that.
2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you?
3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt.
4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness.
These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth.
But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR:
Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:01:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote: I assure you, I can tackle ANY tank that any player could put forth.
That is what AV does.
If you can't say the same, then you need more SP.
Please, take my Swarm Launcher and show me that I need more SP.
If I am having problems using my weapon, then it must be because of my skill right?
If you truly believe this, then go get Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon. Show us that you can do it better than us, and that it's fine.
I know that you won't take me up on my challenge, because your to afraid that someone will prove that there is a problem with AV.
Nobody would. Not the Attorney General. Not Spkr4TheDead. Not Charollette O'dell. And definetly not Tankahiro.
Until you can prove otherwise, Swarms are underpowered.
Kill 1 and 7 more come right back.
Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies.
Although, that would explain a lot.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:03:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Atiim,
You're mad because you're bad. Says the tanker.
But I guess averaging 1-2k WP per match when I'm not AV makes me bad.
I guess going 20/2 with a Plasma Cannon makes me bad.
If I'm bad, then please take me up on my challenge.
Take my Swarm Launcher and show me that you can do it better. Until then, have fun troll.
Kill 1 and 7 more come right back.
Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies.
Although, that would explain a lot.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:08:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I plasma and FlayLock, U MAD? Not mad. Educated.
I plasma too. Want a cookie?
Kill 1 and 7 more come right back.
Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies.
Although, that would explain a lot.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:45:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote: I can do it with an RE trap and the necessary grenade.
F your swarms.
I can shoot, why would I need swarms?
I am an AV'er, why would I need swarms?
Not when a forge and grenade does it right, everytime. Your just mad because your bad, and your scrub swarms got nerfed.
Any situation where you need to be in a medium frame to fight tanks, you might as well be laying traps and running a rifle. That way you can tend to an objective and be a deterrent to vehicles. That way you have a much better chance of getting away. That way you can operate at a flag and hold it against the infantry that needs to come in and take the flag.
If a tanker falls for the RE trick, then they are bad and should feel bad. And those weapons are highly situational. Making them incredibly unreliable.
F your Forge Gun.
I can shoot just fine. You'd need a Swarm because your not a heavy and Plasma Cannons suck (Learned that lesson the hard way)
Because not all AVers are heavies.
Not everyone has a forge gun. And once again, if I'm really bad, then take me up on my challenge. Put your money where your mouth is.
Why would (or should) any Anti-Vehicle weapon be a deterrent to vehicles? Especially when that vehicle is operated by only one person?
You most likely failed kindergarden like the rest of the tankers. So I'll put this here simply.
1=1.
Kill 1 and 7 more come right back.
Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies.
Although, that would explain a lot.
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