So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

nunchucks?

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

Good stuff, you didn't kill them from your redline with a railgun did you?

Guess what guess what guess what guess what, I played an ambush match with six enemy tanks and didn't die once to them. Wanna know how? I didn't run blindly in front of them.

Seriously, just be more ninja when there are tanks around and they won't kill you (it's also quite fun to do as it just makes them waste their time)

People blindly running in-front of them isn't the problem about tanks in Ambush.

It's the "Smart" Spawn mechanic and terrible map design that creates issues.

People blindly running in-front of them isn't the problem about tanks in Ambush.

It's the "Smart" Spawn mechanic and terrible map design that creates issues.

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

You still Owe me 600k for answering the other question right... I'd go with Soma/Sica Rails

Ok so you have complaind in the reacent past how op tanks are and now you say you destroid how many in one game ...... from now on when you bich and moan like a pissy ***** about how op tanks are we shall all refer to this thread.

This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate:

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced.

1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that.

2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you?

3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt.

4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness.

These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth.

But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR:

Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them.

Who wants to bet that after the respec, Atiim dumps his SP back into swarms and still complains?

I could have said the same thing to any pilot who has ever survived an entire match. But did I? Nope.

No you could not.

You, on the one hand are saying that tanks are impossible to take out and need to be nerfed.

On the other you say you can destroy 30 in a single match.

Those two items are mutually exclusive.

Either you can destroy 30 tanks in a game or tanks are OP and unkillable, but not both.

Not that I believe your story at all. In my experience, most people will not throw more than 3 clones at trying to tank. You pop them 3 times, you see them in the killfeed with an exile or something cheap.

No, this just seems like another of your drama queen posts.

No you could not.

You, on the one hand are saying that tanks are impossible to take out and need to be nerfed.

On the other you say you can destroy 30 in a single match.

Those two items are mutually exclusive.

Either you can destroy 30 tanks in a game or tanks are OP and unkillable, but not both.

Not that I believe your story at all. In my experience, most people will not throw more than 3 clones at trying to tank. You pop them 3 times, you see them in the killfeed with an exile or something cheap.

No, this just seems like another of your drama queen posts.

I know that no matter what I do, you wouldn't believe a single thing I say. Because of this, I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Believe what you want, but I know it happened. Ask my CEO if you feel so inclined.

If I were to take a guess though, I would say you used the furthest back rail turret on the defenders side of Spine Crescent. The one that very few tankers know about, but can completely cut the map in half.

Nothing like shooting them when they can't shoot back eh Atiim? Must remind you of the good ole days when you were untouchable with your invisiswarms.

So you still believe that I camped on towers and in the redline eh? What a shame.

I usually find dancing works, the tanks break down and explode as they figure out that they cant match such beautiful movement to express their feelings.

No you could not.

You, on the one hand are saying that tanks are impossible to take out and need to be nerfed.

On the other you say you can destroy 30 in a single match.

Those two items are mutually exclusive.

Either you can destroy 30 tanks in a game or tanks are OP and unkillable, but not both.

Not that I believe your story at all. In my experience, most people will not throw more than 3 clones at trying to tank. You pop them 3 times, you see them in the killfeed with an exile or something cheap.

No, this just seems like another of your drama queen posts.

Shut up Atiim. You let me roflstomp your whole team by myself.

Hey, Atiim:

You're also a liar.

Then prove that I'm lying by doing something other than saying "I don't believe you."

Mkay brah?

I think he is saying you are in general a liar not just this case though I do believe you over exaggerated your claim.

Redline, no. Tower camping of course. And there is no doubt that you would have been a long range swarmer, taking full advantage of the render problems.

You could have been a LLAV tank spiker, but that takes balls, and if you had balls you never would have specced swarms.

Well of course you'd believe that I was a long range, tower camping Swarmer. Everyone who likes to drive vehicles believes that. A guy who defends Swarm Launchers?

He absolutely, positively, must be an evil tower camping, redline swarming, Medium Frame user

It's kinda funny that you say this, because I had a nice sum of SP put into Limbi for the sole purpose of killing vehicles (and having demo durbies with other LAVs). But you don't believe that do you? It's impossible for a biased tanker such as yourself to comprehend such a thing.

Wait. Did you just imply that speccing tanks takes "balls?" LOL

Agreed on the first part.

The whole AV is UP or not UP isn't even relevant here, because we didn't even use AV weapons to destroy them. Moving on now.

I know that no matter what I do, you wouldn't believe a single thing I say. Because of this, I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Believe what you want, but I know it happened. Ask my CEO if you feel so inclined.

But you can still win a small ISK prize for guessing what we used, if your interested

Atiim: the only player who cries about av being UP and then kills 30 tanks with his combat rifle.

Because if it wasn't AV its AI. Those are literally the only two options. Tell me more about how you killed 30 tanks with your combat rifle? Or was it a rail rifle?

Must I always be so literal with you people? Are you incapable of understanding context?

I'm saying that I didn't use infantry AV weapons.

dropship

So me and my CEO decided to que up for a Domination match a few minutes ago, and there were 6 enemy tanks just dog-piling eachother as they slaughtered pretty much anything in their path.

We managed to destroy the first 6 tanks, but then they called in 6 more, and they just refused to stop bringing in tanks. Destroy some, and have a few more would come rushing right back in waves.

All in all, we manged to destroy about 30 of them before they took us down.

What was the point of this story you ask? Well, I actually have a question for you.

How many 'waves' do you think you could survive?

(Also, a small bonus goes to whoever can guess what weapon we used)

Must I always be so literal with you people? Are you incapable of understanding context?

I'm saying that I didn't use infantry AV weapons.

No, you said you didn't use AV weaponry. Which was a lie. Which is what you do. Lie.

Also 30 tanks is probably a lie as well. I took out 14 (my record so far) and it took the whole game and eventually most people stopped calling them in except for two people in a rich corp.

Must I always be so literal with you people? Are you incapable of understanding context?

I know that no matter what I do, you wouldn't believe a single thing I say. Because of this, I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Believe what you want, but I know it happened. Ask my CEO if you feel so inclined.

Atiim killed lots of tanks in one battle but still claims they're OP. Which is it, scrub?

It's so hard to take you seriously BC you never PC. I'd like to see you take on even a bad PC team and try to go positive. Maybe you could tank....er, AV....plasma cannon? What do you even do other than whine on the forums about OP tanks that you, apparently, can kill 30 of in one battle?

Atiim killed lots of tanks in one battle but still claims they're OP. Which is it, scrub?

It's so hard to take you seriously BC you never PC. I'd like to see you take on even a bad PC team and try to go positive. Maybe you could tank....er, AV....plasma cannon? What do you even do other than whine on the forums about OP tanks that you, apparently, can kill 30 of in one battle?