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Grit Breather
Cannonfodder PMC
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:37:00 -
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With the upcoming infantry changes, it is possible (and depending on who you ask, probable) we will be getting a partial or full respec for our skills.
With that in mind, could I ask that if such a move is made, people are given an opt-out option?
My reason for asking this is that I like my trained skills exactly where they are now. If I had to go back and retrain everything I already have trained I'd probably screw it up somehow and waste SP on skills I do not need.
So this is basically a simple request. If a skill respec of any sort is made, could I elect to not have any of my skills reset at all?
The above is obviously not valid for any discontinued skills or ones that have no choice but to be reset.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5674
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:42:00 -
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Kain already answered you.
Optional respecs are labor intensive, and CCP has better things to do.
Write down what you have, it will take much less trouble for you to do it than for CCP to go through Emails and respec every single one.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Grit Breather
Cannonfodder PMC
966
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Kain already answered you.
Optional respecs are labor intensive, and CCP has better things to do.
Write down what you have, it will take much less trouble for you to do it than for CCP to go through Emails and respec every single one.
They aren't really labour intensive. It's just a matter of having a script black-list. All you do is keep a list of characterIDs.
"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
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BlazeXYZ
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:12:00 -
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I hope they would give a full respec because I regret so many things that I skilled into. This would also help in trying out new things in the game. |
Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6495
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Posted - 2014.01.19 00:46:00 -
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The last time CCP did optional respecs it took up too much time and people complained about their petitions not going through. It's easier to just make a forced respec. Just remember to write down what you currently have. Besides, take this as an opportunity to review your skill set and see if you like to make a change. Who knows?
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
54
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:19:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote: Can big brother protect me from my own stupidity.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5712
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:14:00 -
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Dustbunny Durrr wrote:Grit Breather wrote: Can big brother protect me from my own stupidity. No
Uhh...
He said that his skill placement is just perfect and he doesn't want a respec.
That means he's smarter than the majority of the forum lol
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Sascha Brostovich
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:46:00 -
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Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best.... |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5425
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:32:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Kain already answered you.
Optional respecs are labor intensive, and CCP has better things to do.
Write down what you have, it will take much less trouble for you to do it than for CCP to go through Emails and respec every single one. They aren't really labour intensive. It's just a matter of having a script black-list. All you do is keep a list of characterIDs.
And what is so labor intensive about you writing down what skills you have and spending 5 minutes to reskill them?
You'll probably waste more time in this thread than actually writing down you skills would take.
ARC Commander
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5425
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:34:00 -
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Sascha Brostovich wrote:Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best....
This isn't a matter of some things getting nerfed and some things getting buffed, this is a matter of nearly everything getting completely changed all together.
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Sascha Brostovich
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:16:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Sascha Brostovich wrote:Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best.... This isn't a matter of some things getting nerfed and some things getting buffed, this is a matter of nearly everything getting completely changed all together.
Ya, for the 1.8. Then we'll go ahead and set up our characters under the new build. Then CCP will just change everything again.. My point is that this will never end. The will make major changes for 1.8, then all the builds from 1.81 to 1.89 will keep nerfing this and buffing that... Then the 1.9 build will come, and everything will change... I think it would be in CCP's best interest to STOP changing everything, and just fix the problems! |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1605
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:33:00 -
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Sascha Brostovich wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sascha Brostovich wrote:Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best.... This isn't a matter of some things getting nerfed and some things getting buffed, this is a matter of nearly everything getting completely changed all together. Ya, for the 1.8. Then we'll go ahead and set up our characters under the new build. Then CCP will just change everything again.. My point is that this will never end. The will make major changes for 1.8, then all the builds from 1.81 to 1.89 will keep nerfing this and buffing that... Then the 1.9 build will come, and everything will change... I think it would be in CCP's best interest to STOP changing everything, and just fix the problems!
Fixes require change, and one must make changes in order to bring about change.
Besides, it's not the 'fixes' that merit the respec per say, its that currently we have racial gaps and placeholder bonuses that always were intended to be filled and replaced respectfully.
I understand what you're getting at but an opt-out system is purely superficial. I suppose yes you'll be a little inconvenienced but the amount of additional work is really marginal. Besides I think about 90% of the community probably has a few skills points in places they don't want them and would not complain if they could move them around a bit.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
691
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:19:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sascha Brostovich wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sascha Brostovich wrote:Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best.... This isn't a matter of some things getting nerfed and some things getting buffed, this is a matter of nearly everything getting completely changed all together. Ya, for the 1.8. Then we'll go ahead and set up our characters under the new build. Then CCP will just change everything again.. My point is that this will never end. The will make major changes for 1.8, then all the builds from 1.81 to 1.89 will keep nerfing this and buffing that... Then the 1.9 build will come, and everything will change... I think it would be in CCP's best interest to STOP changing everything, and just fix the problems! Fixes require change, and one must make changes in order to bring about change. Besides, it's not the 'fixes' that merit the respec per say, its that currently we have racial gaps and placeholder bonuses that always were intended to be filled and replaced respectfully. I understand what you're getting at but an opt-out system is purely superficial. I suppose yes you'll be a little inconvenienced but the amount of additional work is really marginal. Besides I think about 90% of the community probably has a few skills points in places they don't want them and would not complain if they could move them around a bit.
I think Pokey is got the gist of this with the updated racial kit coming online. I also suspect he's on the mark with the comment there is something, even a small something, that most folks would change in some way if given a respec. I'm actually very happy with my SP allotment at the moment but there are a couple small areas that I would like to rework.
Sacha, your concern is pretty valid as well...The nerf/buff & change cycle does get pretty frustrating when you start investing SP...minimal or suble changes would be much more preferable. For many people it's really not about FOTM investment; it's legitimately trying to skill into a racial kit setup or something that supports a given playstyle.
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Spartan MK420
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
87
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:24:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Kain already answered you.
Optional respecs are labor intensive, and CCP has better things to do.
Write down what you have, it will take much less trouble for you to do it than for CCP to go through Emails and respec every single one. They aren't really labour intensive. It's just a matter of having a script black-list. All you do is keep a list of characterIDs.
ever typed out 40,000 names?
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6499
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:13:00 -
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Sascha Brostovich wrote:Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best....
Only when racial symmetry is established. Eve Online had one respec but that was nearly 10 years ago when racial symmetry was likely established. Since then, many Eve ships were either added or overhauled throughout the 10 years and respecs haven't occurred so far.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.19 22:33:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Only when racial symmetry is established. Eve Online had one respec but that was nearly 10 years ago when racial symmetry was likely established. Since then, many Eve ships were either added or overhauled throughout the 10 years and respecs haven't occurred so far.
I think all these new suits/weapons should finally bring us close enough to a racial symmetry, don't you agree?
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Banjo Robertson
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:14:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Kain already answered you.
Optional respecs are labor intensive, and CCP has better things to do.
Write down what you have, it will take much less trouble for you to do it than for CCP to go through Emails and respec every single one. They aren't really labour intensive. It's just a matter of having a script black-list. All you do is keep a list of characterIDs.
Would need some kind of confirmation otherwise people might troll others by opting other people out of the respec. |
akira 1999
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
9
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:58:00 -
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simple fix... we are getting the rest of the racial suits as far as we know right??.. fine full respec for all
once the remainder of the vehicles are fully implemented then 1 more respec.
after that make it a aurum cost for respec option from that point on.
lets face it.. people don't play the same way forever, and having options allow the game to become actually personal for people.
and make this known in every possible way, psn mail, newsletter, dev blogs and the whole lot...
that way no one can say... i want a repec NOWWWW... we all get 2 more for free then it costs money for the respec of skills from that point on. |
Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6507
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:39:00 -
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Only when racial symmetry is established. Eve Online had one respec but that was nearly 10 years ago when racial symmetry was likely established. Since then, many Eve ships were either added or overhauled throughout the 10 years and respecs haven't occurred so far. I think all these new suits/weapons should finally bring us close enough to a racial symmetry, don't you agree?
For infantry, yes. We'll have all racial suit classes (core classes), racial assaults, and racial sidearms. But racial heavies will still be lacking the heavy weapons for Amarr, Gallente, and maybe Caldari. Then there are the vehicles to consider later on for Amarr vehicles and Minmatar vehicles.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6507
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:46:00 -
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akira 1999 wrote:simple fix... we are getting the rest of the racial suits as far as we know right??.. fine full respec for all
once the remainder of the vehicles are fully implemented then 1 more respec.
after that make it a aurum cost for respec option from that point on.
lets face it.. people don't play the same way forever, and having options allow the game to become actually personal for people.
and make this known in every possible way, psn mail, newsletter, dev blogs and the whole lot...
that way no one can say... i want a repec NOWWWW... we all get 2 more for free then it costs money for the respec of skills from that point on.
Ooh hell no! Don't bring up respecs on demand here. I can tolerate respecs due to overhauls and racial symmetry, but I will never tolerate respecs on demand (paid or otherwise). And I'm only talking for core content here like all racial scouts, all racial heavies, racial assault, and racial logistics along with all racial LAVs, racial HAVs, racial drop ships, and racial fighters.
All other classes such as racial pilot suits, racial MTACs, racial speeders, racial covert ops, pirate faction suits and weapons, etc. are just extra icing and wouldn't need any respecs if they came out as long as they have symmetry.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
385
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:49:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Kain already answered you.
Optional respecs are labor intensive, and CCP has better things to do.
Write down what you have, it will take much less trouble for you to do it than for CCP to go through Emails and respec every single one. They aren't really labour intensive. It's just a matter of having a script black-list. All you do is keep a list of characterIDs.
and how do we go about making the list
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
385
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:51:00 -
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Sascha Brostovich wrote:Is there really a point to a respec?? Think about it... Say we get a respec, then cool. So you build your character up the way you want, based on what you know today. Everything is fine and you love your new character, then the 1.81 update comes along, and everything you've spec'd into gets nerfed, while everything you didn't spec into gets boosted... Then we all come right back to here, asking for another respec. If everything didn't change in the game every time they updated it, then a respec would be a good idea. I just don't see it working out for the best....
thats why you mlt/std it for a week and find the fotm
then avoid it like the plauge
and skill into something not as op but still good and fun
but i also dont really want a respec
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:36:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:With that in mind, could I ask that if such a move is made, people are given an opt-out option?
Your opt out is to put your SP back where it was. Write down what you have now. Put some effort into it.
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P1nK13 P13
Apothic Void
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Posted - 2014.01.20 05:15:00 -
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Nah...Optional respecs take too long, for both the player and CCP. I'd rather have them spend their time rebalancing the game rather than wasting it doing respecs for every mercs in the game. Anyway, use this next respec to skill into the new FOTM: The Scout Suits  |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
85
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Posted - 2014.01.20 12:41:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:For infantry, yes. We'll have all racial suit classes (core classes), racial assaults, and racial sidearms. But racial heavies will still be lacking the heavy weapons for Amarr, Gallente, and maybe Caldari. Then there are the vehicles to consider later on for Amarr vehicles and Minmatar vehicles.
According to a weapons pic I found some ago, there are 2 missing heavy weapons, a Plasma one (Gallente?) and a Laser one (Amarr?), but I don't think CCP will give us another RESPEC for them: think about when they released CR and RR...
No idea about vehicles/ships 
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R0ad Pizza
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:07:00 -
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We need a full infantry respec:
Dropsuits
Dropsuit upgrades
weaponry<--- one of the most important for us vets |
Anoko Destrolock
Crimson Saints
33
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:32:00 -
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R0ad Pizza wrote:We need a full infantry respec:
Dropsuits
Dropsuit upgrades
weaponry<--- one of the most important for us vets
Agreed |
Lonewolf Heavy
ROGUE SPADES
33
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:41:00 -
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R0ad Pizza wrote:We need a full infantry respec:
Dropsuits
Dropsuit upgrades
weaponry<--- one of the most important for us vets
I totally agree, especially with Dropsuits and upgrades,
Back before commando came out i had put sp into Amarr Logi because I doubted the commando would actually come. But when it did i still had the SP for it but regretted wasting that 600kish sp on medium/logi.
Also wouldnt mind getting rid of my regulation skill, dont really use them ever because heavies have a pretty decent recharge delay.
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