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Jason Pearson 4000	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:09:00 - [31] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Try flying an ADS, as far as im concerned they earned it I used to :) point I was trying to make was that spam is spam no matter what, tank spam is annoying, ADS spam is possibly worse, and we need to realize that. It's not just tanks that will wreck your face but other vehicles can do it too providing there's a lot of them. But, there will ALWAYS be "vehicle spam" so long as we can call in vehicles. That's what channels like 1st Airborne and Condor Squad are meant for, for forming up squads of ADS that work together and improve their flying skills. No matter what, squadding up is inevitable Aye there will, but all spam can become irrelevant in matches with a red line, no matter what vehicles are there, but in Ambush, you cannot fight it really. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 624	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:12:00 - [32] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Try flying an ADS, as far as im concerned they earned it I used to :) point I was trying to make was that spam is spam no matter what, tank spam is annoying, ADS spam is possibly worse, and we need to realize that. It's not just tanks that will wreck your face but other vehicles can do it too providing there's a lot of them. But, there will ALWAYS be "vehicle spam" so long as we can call in vehicles. That's what channels like 1st Airborne and Condor Squad are meant for, for forming up squads of ADS that work together and improve their flying skills. No matter what, squadding up is inevitable Aye there will, be all spam can become irrelevant in matches with a red line, no matter what vehicles are there, but in Ambush, you cannot fight it really. So I take it you're for the idea of having railguns camp behind the redline? There's always a friendly depot you can run your tank under, I've had it done many times to me.
Jason Pearson 4000	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:13:00 - [33] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Try flying an ADS, as far as im concerned they earned it I used to :) point I was trying to make was that spam is spam no matter what, tank spam is annoying, ADS spam is possibly worse, and we need to realize that. It's not just tanks that will wreck your face but other vehicles can do it too providing there's a lot of them. But, there will ALWAYS be "vehicle spam" so long as we can call in vehicles. That's what channels like 1st Airborne and Condor Squad are meant for, for forming up squads of ADS that work together and improve their flying skills. No matter what, squadding up is inevitable Aye there will, be all spam can become irrelevant in matches with a red line, no matter what vehicles are there, but in Ambush, you cannot fight it really. So I take it you're for the idea of having railguns camp behind the redline? There's always a friendly depot you can run your tank under, I've had it done many times to me. I don't agree nor disagree, all I know is I can organize a whole let better when I'm not instantly spawned next to a tank, a dropship or a squad of infantry. Ambush is no place for vehicles. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 624	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:15:00 - [34] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Try flying an ADS, as far as im concerned they earned it I used to :) point I was trying to make was that spam is spam no matter what, tank spam is annoying, ADS spam is possibly worse, and we need to realize that. It's not just tanks that will wreck your face but other vehicles can do it too providing there's a lot of them. This is true, but the reason that one is "abuse" and another isn't is because you can wreck ** with militia tanks, low SP costing items that are easy to operate and shoot from. However, an ADS is a GIANT SP sink, and only a select few of pilots have had enough SP to make a level 5 passive skill, proto module dropship. That's what we were all using, and honestly, it should be able to wreck ** when there's 5 extremely skilled pilots all working in coordination
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4340	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:34:00 - [35] - Quote :D always nice to see an ADS squad take tankers down. hey jason do you remember that time you ran youself over trying to get away from my python? cause i do Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Jason Pearson 4002	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:37:00 - [36] - Quote gbghg wrote: :D always nice to see an ADS squad take tankers down. hey jason do you remember that time you ran youself over trying to get away from my python? cause i do -¼_-¼ King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - kingbabar
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4340	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:41:00 - [37] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: gbghg wrote: :D always nice to see an ADS squad take tankers down. hey jason do you remember that time you ran youself over trying to get away from my python? cause i do -¼_-¼ Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2014.01.18 18:53:00 - [38] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Try flying an ADS, as far as im concerned they earned it Personally, I consider HAVs to be no less frustrating than dropships. At least with dropships I don't get caught on random terrain features. And I don't use either outside of fooling around.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 784	Posted - 2014.01.18 19:10:00 - [39] - Quote Play once against someone like Sir Snugglez, best DS pilot I have ever seen, a force to be reckoned with. Agree that DS pilots deserve to be OP for a while since they had a very rough going the past year + However, I still feel that CCP needs to limit the number of tanks or dropships per side.. 2-3 of each at most would allow vehicles to be useful and fill a role but not blanket the field of battle making the game almost unplayable for the infantry. Coordinated AV stands a chance, but sometimes the only viable counter to solid pilots is to use vehicles.. which imo is not balanced.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3621	Posted - 2014.01.18 19:11:00 - [40] - Quote To infantry, any more than 2= spam We used to have a time machine

Foxhound Elite The Rainbow Effect 641	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:36:00 - [41] - Quote You should hear us on comms when we're in squad together. Not only are we just calling out targets but we have a little 'system' that prevents us from crashing into eachother when chasing targets. It's awfully good fun and people should be scared Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 246	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:50:00 - [42] - Quote I have and its annoying.....until you get an angle with a wyrkomi breach forge gun.....if you pair up with another heavy most vehicles die before they can engage hardeners Real heavies use lasers
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 104	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:22:00 - [43] - Quote I've run into my fair share of them. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10269	Posted - 2014.01.23 02:29:00 - [44] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: Oh, I forgot. You know how certain forum tankers preach teamwork? Well, even blaster tanks can protect each other from us by simply spacing out and aiming while we're attacking one of you. Then our choices are die or fly and it works in all game modes, even ambush. I hate getting zoned out by a couple of tanks working together. I think I hate it so much because I can't complain about it, because I tend to play solo, and teamwork should trump solo play in most cases. If the assault dropships also coordinate to try and keep each tank busy, then that's just good gameplay right there. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Alpha 443-6732 330	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:07:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Blaze Ashra wrote: Oh, I forgot. You know how certain forum tankers preach teamwork? Well, even blaster tanks can protect each other from us by simply spacing out and aiming while we're attacking one of you. Then our choices are die or fly and it works in all game modes, even ambush. I hate getting zoned out by a couple of tanks working together. I think I hate it so much because I can't complain about it, because I tend to play solo, and teamwork should trump solo play in most cases. If the assault dropships also coordinate to try and keep each tank busy, then that's just good gameplay right there. I think you just need to get gud, friend! Here, let me guess your favourite turret: Large missiles? Yay! You must reaaally like those, I'm sure of it! Because racism is realism
Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:19:00 - [46] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Blaze Ashra wrote: Oh, I forgot. You know how certain forum tankers preach teamwork? Well, even blaster tanks can protect each other from us by simply spacing out and aiming while we're attacking one of you. Then our choices are die or fly and it works in all game modes, even ambush. I hate getting zoned out by a couple of tanks working together. I think I hate it so much because I can't complain about it, because I tend to play solo, and teamwork should trump solo play in most cases. If the assault dropships also coordinate to try and keep each tank busy, then that's just good gameplay right there. I think you just need to get gud, friend! Here, let me guess your favourite turret: Large missiles? Yay! You must reaaally like those, I'm sure of it! Dust flies an incubus with small rail guns (av) and xt missiles(anti infantry). He's got videos in his signature. And yes for tanking Large missiles is my favorite. ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 189	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:38:00 - [47] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Haha is this about us Jason? That's not abuse, that's a highly trained squad of pro pilots that jump into matches to show the potential of power dropships have when a full squad of Assaults work together. We had Blackhole Nova, Foxhound Elite, Me, and a few other very good pilots. Remember when i got you as you were about to hit me with your forge? xD that was crazy fun. And then that's when you tried your railgun tank which didn't work out so famously either :P You have to understand here, spam is when anyone can do it so everyone does it, much like the crisis milita tanks are in (which is why you guys had 6+ tanks on the field in one game we were flying in. You'll hardly ever see a squad of ADS pilots like the ones you saw in those games, it was the same people, the 1st Airborne squad that i reffered to last paragraph. No noob can do what we were doing. Keep it up dude, wonder why most of the Dust playerbase has no sympathy for DS pilots? Can't wait til you are no longer able to demonstrate your faggotry in ambush.
Azura Sakura Blood Eye Ravens 554	Posted - 2014.01.23 12:53:00 - [48] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Haha is this about us Jason? That's not abuse, that's a highly trained squad of pro pilots that jump into matches to show the potential of power dropships have when a full squad of Assaults work together. We had Blackhole Nova, Foxhound Elite, Me, and a few other very good pilots. Remember when i got you as you were about to hit me with your forge? xD that was crazy fun. And then that's when you tried your railgun tank which didn't work out so famously either :P You have to understand here, spam is when anyone can do it so everyone does it, much like the crisis milita tanks are in (which is why you guys had 6+ tanks on the field in one game we were flying in. You'll hardly ever see a squad of ADS pilots like the ones you saw in those games, it was the same people, the 1st Airborne squad that i reffered to last paragraph. No noob can do what we were doing. Keep it up dude, wonder why most of the Dust playerbase has no sympathy for DS pilots? Can't wait til you are no longer able to demonstrate your faggotry in ambush. If only you guys know how much more work we have to put into being good in a ADS than most vehicles . Then they have to coordinate in the air not to crash into each other because they have a higher chance to explode than tanks when they collide. Just looks like team work being OP than tank spamming, which requires little to no skill to do.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 261	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:05:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In a skirmish map no, dropships are not a problem, worst spam I had was 5 of the buggers and shot 4 of them down with a rail gunnlogi. You must not have faced any good ADS pilots then. Most good ADS pilots will ruin your tank before you'd get more than one shot on him, if you're lucky enough to get any. I'm not here to say they're OP by any means, but it seems like an issue when a CPM doesn't see vehicle spam as an issue.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4184	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:08:00 - [50] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Haha is this about us Jason? That's not abuse, that's a highly trained squad of pro pilots that jump into matches to show the potential of power dropships have when a full squad of Assaults work together. We had Blackhole Nova, Foxhound Elite, Me, and a few other very good pilots. Remember when i got you as you were about to hit me with your forge? xD that was crazy fun. And then that's when you tried your railgun tank which didn't work out so famously either :P You have to understand here, spam is when anyone can do it so everyone does it, much like the crisis milita tanks are in (which is why you guys had 6+ tanks on the field in one game we were flying in. You'll hardly ever see a squad of ADS pilots like the ones you saw in those games, it was the same people, the 1st Airborne squad that i reffered to last paragraph. No noob can do what we were doing. Blackhole Nova and Foxhound Elite? The only people that could make it better are Moochie Cricket and Sir Snugglz Winner of at least 10 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D

NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 853	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:45:00 - [51] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: You people thought tanks were ridiculous? ahahahaha, atleast on some maps you can hide and get into position, squad of ADS pilots will tear every tank on the field a new one and then smash the infantry, and there's no fighting back xD That was last night... I run an armor based suit... So those Missiles were not welcomed lol
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:57:00 - [52] - Quote Yeah except they crash into each other and die quite a bit. Pro tip, use forge guns. Anyway the amount of pilot skill required to fly in a squadron is at least 5-6 months so you can really handle your craf. You also need really good coordination or you'll just crash into each other and even then it still happens. Assault dropship spam is rare, most of the times you see it it involves ace pilots who all know each other. This isn't something that will suddenly become wide spread like milita tanks because it takes quite a bit of time, isk and sp to even get to the level of a decent squadron pilot.
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 636	Posted - 2014.01.23 14:39:00 - [53] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Haha is this about us Jason? That's not abuse, that's a highly trained squad of pro pilots that jump into matches to show the potential of power dropships have when a full squad of Assaults work together. We had Blackhole Nova, Foxhound Elite, Me, and a few other very good pilots. Remember when i got you as you were about to hit me with your forge? xD that was crazy fun. And then that's when you tried your railgun tank which didn't work out so famously either :P You have to understand here, spam is when anyone can do it so everyone does it, much like the crisis milita tanks are in (which is why you guys had 6+ tanks on the field in one game we were flying in. You'll hardly ever see a squad of ADS pilots like the ones you saw in those games, it was the same people, the 1st Airborne squad that i reffered to last paragraph. No noob can do what we were doing. Keep it up dude, wonder why most of the Dust playerbase has no sympathy for DS pilots? Can't wait til you are no longer able to demonstrate your faggotry in ambush. Your delicious tears taste delicious. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4399	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:29:00 - [54] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Yeah except they crash into each other and die quite a bit. Pro tip, use forge guns. Anyway the amount of pilot skill required to fly in a squadron is at least 5-6 months so you can really handle your craf. You also need really good coordination or you'll just crash into each other and even then it still happens. Assault dropship spam is rare, most of the times you see it it involves ace pilots who all know each other. This isn't something that will suddenly become wide spread like milita tanks because it takes quite a bit of time, isk and sp to even get to the level of a decent squadron pilot. ^ this there's probably less than 50 people who can pull off ADS squads, you need a huge sp and time investment to reach the point where you can get 3 dropships in a 100m square area without crashing into each other. it takes skill, coordination and a lot of trust. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 177	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:44:00 - [55] - Quote I saw one of these multi ADS ambush matches end with Blaze Ashra and one fo the others killing each other in a mid air collision for the final messages on the kill feed. I laughed, and I needed a laugh after a full game of forgegunning them for little effect other than keeping their ground attack runs short.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 73	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:59:00 - [56] - Quote As long as I earn isk, earn SP, Earn WP (no matter how few), and watch cool ish then I really am not bothered by ambush anymore. I don't think spam even helps. There are times where there are tons of tanks and ADS from opposing teams and yet the newbs that don't run this get creamed too fast. I play with a 10k or less ISK build or blueprint 90% of ambush matches anyway. Plus, the absolute first thing I do when spawning in is take my freaking rail rifle and look for people summoning vehicles. Every 5 or so games I steal a tank or dropship and I know that person isn't happy. I can't fly drop ships worth anything. So i just go as high as possible knowing that the enemy unit has spawned and is looking for it and then I just jump out and let it crash while I enjoy my Point Break moment until I land. Little known fact, Point Break is being re-made/re-booted.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 371	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:01:00 - [57] - Quote As an ADS pilot, I could only wish \|: "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1001	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:15:00 - [58] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: You people thought tanks were ridiculous? ahahahaha, atleast on some maps you can hide and get into position, squad of ADS pilots will tear every tank on the field a new one and then smash the infantry, and there's no fighting back xD I ran into this 5 times in day one of 1.7 and at least once a day every day since. No believed me when I told them, but they'll see for themselves soon enough. To apply to L.O.T.I.S. or to squad with us, join our public chat channel: L.O.T.I.S.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 676	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:06:00 - [59] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Keep it up dude, wonder why most of the Dust playerbase has no sympathy for DS pilots? Can't wait til you are no longer able to demonstrate your faggotry in ambush. I don't wonder about sympathy for pilots, dropships are in the best state they have ever been in. If anything I wish people knew how hard it is to fly as well as me and my fellow ace pilots and not show sympathy, but respect, maybe even admiration. People like you probably have to fly a gallente ship and turn on hardeners just to land but miss your landing and have to lazily float back to the tower or something. I can dive at full speed do a barrel roll bank into a city come under a beam just 2 feet off the ground then land like a pro. With my skilled gunners, there is a kill or two in that sequence. And most pilots i know including those who have posted in this thread can do the same. So I don't want your sympathy, Ive flown and lost hundreads of dropships to all manner of stupid ****, yet this is my profession. I'd much rather have some respect for what I do, it sure isn't easy! I do understand where you are coming from tho, there should be an ambush without vehicles for those like yourself that only enjoy pure infantry combat. That sounds fine to me. In fact I would probably play ambush on the ground more to with a game type like that! Fing tanks..
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3982	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:08:00 - [60] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: You people thought tanks were ridiculous? ahahahaha, atleast on some maps you can hide and get into position, squad of ADS pilots will tear every tank on the field a new one and then smash the infantry, and there's no fighting back xD At least ADS takes Skill. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.



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