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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
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Posted - 2014.01.18 07:48:00 -
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I recently speced to proto hoping to have the ability to put 15 mines total on the ground. I was hoping to leverage some kind of tactic or new trend. After many, many tries, I just realize that AV grenades seems more effective agains HAV. I do understand that most LAV's nowadays are blueprints (I also own two of them) and that 3 mines is enough to destroy 3 mercs in a LAV. Thats nice.
As far as HAV goes, since I am not a tanker, a buddy of mine said to me, that tanks have warning about them and that the damage done is so insignificant that they roll in them anyways.
So My question is how to properly use them ? We could also ask, why did the game designers kept the damage constant for all levels when grenades do not follow this level up path ?
When hardeners are on, a single mine is really a small anoyance.... I also woud like to opninion of other players on this. This equipment is underused alot in my opinion and its a good question considering people complains about tanking nowadays.... |
Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
949
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Posted - 2014.01.18 07:49:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:I recently speced to proto hoping to have the ability to put 15 mines total on the ground. I was hoping to leverage some kind of tactic or new trend. After many, many tries, I just realize that AV grenades seems more effective agains HAV. I do understand that most LAV's nowadays are blueprints (I also own two of them) and that 3 mines is enough to destroy 3 mercs in a LAV. Thats nice.
As far as HAV goes, since I am not a tanker, a buddy of mine said to me, that tanks have warning about them and that the damage done is so insignificant that they roll in them anyways.
So My question is how to properly use them ? do we have to be a full squad with logies taking each 3 slots putting a total of 6 x 15 x 750 dmg to do something ? when hardeners are on, a single mine is really a small anoyance.... I also woud like to opninion of other players on this. This equipment is underused alot in my opinion and its a good question considering people complains about tanking nowadays....
You throw down proxies, but sprinkle in lots of REs too, the proximities blow up the REs for massive bonus damage.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
8
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Posted - 2014.01.18 07:56:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:I recently speced to proto hoping to have the ability to put 15 mines total on the ground. I was hoping to leverage some kind of tactic or new trend. After many, many tries, I just realize that AV grenades seems more effective agains HAV. I do understand that most LAV's nowadays are blueprints (I also own two of them) and that 3 mines is enough to destroy 3 mercs in a LAV. Thats nice.
As far as HAV goes, since I am not a tanker, a buddy of mine said to me, that tanks have warning about them and that the damage done is so insignificant that they roll in them anyways.
So My question is how to properly use them ? do we have to be a full squad with logies taking each 3 slots putting a total of 6 x 15 x 750 dmg to do something ? when hardeners are on, a single mine is really a small anoyance.... I also woud like to opninion of other players on this. This equipment is underused alot in my opinion and its a good question considering people complains about tanking nowadays.... You throw down proxies, but sprinkle in lots of REs too, the proximities blow up the REs for massive bonus damage.
is it really enough to kill a tank for a single person ?
you would probably need a proto minmatar
1x advanced prox (x5)
1x proto prox (x6)
1x proto RE (x3)
1x Ammo
total is 12 750 dmg from my count, is it enough to kill any tank without hardeners ? |
Blaze Ashra
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:20:00 -
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Proxies by themselves are to weak and you have to put some RE's in there which makes using them as a non logi suck. The warning systems isn't really necesary due to all the scanning we have going 24/7 but it's fine. Blaster tanks can just stroll up to them and casually blow them to hell. One mega death pile is worse than a few lines in a ] [ or a sideways H shape with 2 proxies between the center and the corners with remotes bringing the punch. You can bait lots of tankers by throwing nanohives in cover right next to a road if the sphere is in view.
And yeah I think proxies should do 1500 damage so that anyone who ignores the beeping actually would be concerned and/or pay for it.
ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
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Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
215
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:39:00 -
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Prox Mines need major looking at...should be doing 2000 dmg per and need to lose that stupid alarm that warns vehicles about them. They are a static explosive charge and shouldn't need RE augmenting.
They should be one of the most direct counters to ground vehicles. Should also explode within 3m when the vehicle gets close. |
Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
9
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:54:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:Prox Mines need major looking at...should be doing 2000 dmg per and need to lose that stupid alarm that warns vehicles about them. They are a static explosive charge and shouldn't need RE augmenting.
They should be one of the most direct counters to ground vehicles. Should also explode within 3m when the vehicle gets close.
I have se en LAV run over them easily on speed boosters taking almost nous dmg because they seem to explode with a delay. I also think they need a rework. But i would still like a dev comment on them |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
979
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Posted - 2014.01.18 09:08:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:I recently speced to proto hoping to have the ability to put 15 mines total on the ground. I was hoping to leverage some kind of tactic or new trend. After many, many tries, I just realize that AV grenades seems more effective agains HAV. I do understand that most LAV's nowadays are blueprints (I also own two of them) and that 3 mines is enough to destroy 3 mercs in a LAV. Thats nice.
As far as HAV goes, since I am not a tanker, a buddy of mine said to me, that tanks have warning about them and that the damage done is so insignificant that they roll in them anyways.
So My question is how to properly use them ? do we have to be a full squad with logies taking each 3 slots putting a total of 6 x 15 x 750 dmg to do something ? when hardeners are on, a single mine is really a small anoyance.... I also woud like to opninion of other players on this. This equipment is underused alot in my opinion and its a good question considering people complains about tanking nowadays.... You throw down proxies, but sprinkle in lots of REs too, the proximities blow up the REs for massive bonus damage. is it really enough to kill a tank for a single person ? you would probably need a proto minmatar 1x advanced prox (x5) 1x proto prox (x6) 1x proto RE (x3) 1x Ammo total is 12 750 dmg from my count, is it enough to kill any tank without hardeners ?
That's enough to kill 4 gunnlogis or around 3 madis and 1 gunny without hardeners.
With?
Maybe 1 gunny or 2 madis
The advantage changes between the 2 tank types with and without hardeners.
Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs.
Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require)
Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3000
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Posted - 2014.01.18 09:17:00 -
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Stack them on top of each in a small clump about the width of an LAV axle. If you spread them out too much they might not go off.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
531
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Posted - 2014.01.18 09:41:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:I recently speced to proto hoping to have the ability to put 15 mines total on the ground. I was hoping to leverage some kind of tactic or new trend. After many, many tries, I just realize that AV grenades seems more effective agains HAV. I do understand that most LAV's nowadays are blueprints (I also own two of them) and that 3 mines is enough to destroy 3 mercs in a LAV. Thats nice.
As far as HAV goes, since I am not a tanker, a buddy of mine said to me, that tanks have warning about them and that the damage done is so insignificant that they roll in them anyways.
So My question is how to properly use them ? do we have to be a full squad with logies taking each 3 slots putting a total of 6 x 15 x 750 dmg to do something ? when hardeners are on, a single mine is really a small anoyance.... I also woud like to opninion of other players on this. This equipment is underused alot in my opinion and its a good question considering people complains about tanking nowadays.... You throw down proxies, but sprinkle in lots of REs too, the proximities blow up the REs for massive bonus damage. is it really enough to kill a tank for a single person ? you would probably need a proto minmatar 1x advanced prox (x5) 1x proto prox (x6) 1x proto RE (x3) 1x Ammo total is 12 750 dmg from my count, is it enough to kill any tank without hardeners ? That's enough to kill 4 gunnlogis or around 3 madis and 1 gunny without hardeners. With? Maybe 1 gunny or 2 madis The advantage changes between the 2 tank types with and without hardeners.
Actually with hardeners you'd be very lucky to even kill a single Maddy...remember hardeners grant at least 60% resistance. Depends on how much his shields eat before hitting Armor.
And if you drop that much hardware in a single location you're asking for it to be fluxed. That's 70 pts. 75 if you count the hive. |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
216
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Posted - 2014.01.18 09:46:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Stack them on top of each in a small clump about the width of an LAV axle. If you spread them out too much they might not go off.
love that u found a workaround....but thats crazy and needs fixing. |
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