DUST Search - Amarr scout racial bonus parity problem

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

I noticed the following stats.

Source:
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/

[Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate]
Caldari, 200/30
Gallente, 200/30
Minmatar, 210/35
Amarr, 225/40

Now lets compare this to the other classes.
The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25.

The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15.

The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15.

The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances.

Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad.

Do you really see people getting excited over stamina? It may have its uses, but it doesn't exactly have the "sex appeal" of the other suits.

I just don't see an issue with this. Besides, the scouts are getting a lot of love overall. More CPU/PG, more high/low slots, more equipment slots, balanced out bonuses (yay! Mini Scout Hackers!), and finally racial parity.

I wouldn't see an issue with it either if the bonus was equal to a complex module like all the other scout racial bonuses. Just because scout as a whole are getting a lot of love doesn't mean you should ignore this obvious weak racial bonus.

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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5241	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:01:00 - [1] - Quote The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%) The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener. The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers And now for the fun part, The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery. So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Musta Tornius Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 950	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:06:00 - [2] - Quote What gives CCP? DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 286	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:25:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Caldari Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% scan precision per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex precision enhancer (actually a little more since complex precision enhancers are 20%) The Gallente Scout racial bonus is 5% scan radius per level and 5% profile signature reduction per level At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free standard range amplifier and one free complex profile dampener. The Minmatar Scout racial bonus is 5% hacking speed and nova knife damage per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of one free complex code breaker and multiple free complex sidearm damage modifiers And now for the fun part, The Amarr Scout racial bonus is 5% stamina recovery and max stamina per level. At level 5, this is the equivalent of less than one basic cardiac regulator, and that's it. A basic cardiac regulator does 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina recovery. So all other races get a free complex module and then some, but Amarr scout gets the short end of the stick here. I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator. Yes and Cardiac regulator is the modules that takes the less PG/CPU... So this bonus is pretty ridiculous. The same with AT LEAST the equivalent of a proto cardiac regulator will be balanced.
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 443	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:38:00 - [4] - Quote comparing apples and oranges arnt we? Thr33 is the magic number.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8124	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:55:00 - [5] - Quote +1 Nice find Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2521	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:58:00 - [6] - Quote Nice catch. The bonus is pretty lame. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 799	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:09:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I think it would be more than fair to bump this bonus to 20% stamina recovery and max stamina per level, which at level 5 would be 100% bonus to each which is the equivalent of one complex cardiac regulator. Even this is kind of bleh (hooray! I can run slowly for a very long time!). A stamina bonus may be somewhat necessary to make up for the Amarr being slow, but I would rather have something interesting. One thought would be for Amarr scouts to be sabotage focused. So maybe a bonus to proxi mines and remote explosives in addition to a modest stamina bonus (Minmatar get hacking and knives). Something like 5%/level to stamina and 10%/level to remote explosive/proxi mine vehicle damage might be interesting. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 414	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:18:00 - [8] - Quote Chances are Amarr Scout will get the highest Stamina and regen rate, As their Logi/Assault do.... So the bonus will certainly make an impact So many Amarr players moan over their lower speed while none pay attention to the fact that your stamina buff negates the speed penalty .... An Amarr suit can almost equal anyone elses travel time due to their higher stamina And we haven't seen the layouts so far.... so tough to make a call yet Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6478	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:46:00 - [9] - Quote I noticed the following stats. Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/ [Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate] Caldari, 200/30 Gallente, 200/30 Minmatar, 210/35 Amarr, 225/40 Now lets compare this to the other classes. The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25. The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15. The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15. The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances. Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 101	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:08:00 - [10] - Quote CCP hates Amarr, just look at Amarr Assault suit nerf. Whoever does balancing must be minmatar aligned.

Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 799	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:29:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I noticed the following stats. Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/ [Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate] Caldari, 200/30 Gallente, 200/30 Minmatar, 210/35 Amarr, 225/40 Now lets compare this to the other classes. The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25. The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15. The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15. The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances. Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad. Do you really see people getting excited over stamina? It may have its uses, but it doesn't exactly have the "sex appeal" of the other suits. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6480	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I noticed the following stats. Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/ [Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate] Caldari, 200/30 Gallente, 200/30 Minmatar, 210/35 Amarr, 225/40 Now lets compare this to the other classes. The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25. The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15. The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15. The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances. Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad. Do you really see people getting excited over stamina? It may have its uses, but it doesn't exactly have the "sex appeal" of the other suits. I just don't see an issue with this. Besides, the scouts are getting a lot of love overall. More CPU/PG, more high/low slots, more equipment slots, balanced out bonuses (yay! Mini Scout Hackers!), and finally racial parity. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5327	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:08:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I noticed the following stats. Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/ [Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate] Caldari, 200/30 Gallente, 200/30 Minmatar, 210/35 Amarr, 225/40 Now lets compare this to the other classes. The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25. The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15. The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15. The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances. Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad. Do you really see people getting excited over stamina? It may have its uses, but it doesn't exactly have the "sex appeal" of the other suits. I just don't see an issue with this. Besides, the scouts are getting a lot of love overall. More CPU/PG, more high/low slots, more equipment slots, balanced out bonuses (yay! Mini Scout Hackers!), and finally racial parity. I wouldn't see an issue with it either if the bonus was equal to a complex module like all the other scout racial bonuses. Just because scout as a whole are getting a lot of love doesn't mean you should ignore this obvious weak racial bonus. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 337	Posted - 2014.01.17 20:10:00 - [14] - Quote It is really simple, what does it take for another race's scout to match (not exceed, match) the other scouts inate bonus: Gallente: 1 basic scanr rdius module, 1 complex profile dampner, 1 enhanced armor repper +3 modules, 1 proto, 1 enhanced, 1 basic Caldari: 1 basic scan radius module, 1 complex scan profile enhancer, (almost) 1 basic scan profile enhancer +3 modules, 1 proto, 2 basic Minmatar: (more than) 3 complex damage mods, 1 complex code breaker, (almost) 1 basic code breaker +5 modules, 4 proto, 1 basic Amarr: about 2/3rds of a militia module +1 one module, 1 militia Pretty easy to see as far as scouts go minmatar>>>>>>>>gallente>caldari>>>>>>>>>>amarr EDIT: module differences include stacking penalties for the suit that would be equipping it. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 799	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:48:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I noticed the following stats. Source: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread/ [Race] [Max Stamina] [Stamina Rech. Rate] Caldari, 200/30 Gallente, 200/30 Minmatar, 210/35 Amarr, 225/40 Now lets compare this to the other classes. The best Commando suit (listed in the spreadsheet linked above) with the highest stamina and recharge rate is the Amarr Commando at 180/25. The Assault suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Minmatar Mk.0 with 175/15. The Logistics suit (currently) with the best stamina and recharge is the Logistics Ak.0 with 140/15. The Amarr scout, without fittings, is technically the best scout suit with the most maximum stamina and recover of any suit in any class. It also has 2H and 4L. Compared to other suit classes, this makes the Amarr Scout favorable to those who prefer endurance across long distances. Of course, the bonus only means that the effect will equal to one STD stamina mod compared to the bonuses that other suits in the same class get, but when taking into account the stamina amount and recovery of the Amarr Scout, this is not so bad. Do you really see people getting excited over stamina? It may have its uses, but it doesn't exactly have the "sex appeal" of the other suits. I just don't see an issue with this. Besides, the scouts are getting a lot of love overall. More CPU/PG, more high/low slots, more equipment slots, balanced out bonuses (yay! Mini Scout Hackers!), and finally racial parity. I wouldn't see an issue with it either if the bonus was equal to a complex module like all the other scout racial bonuses. Just because scout as a whole are getting a lot of love doesn't mean you should ignore this obvious weak racial bonus. My point is that the stamina bonus really only partially mitigates the inherent weakness of the Amarr being slow (which is a MAJOR f*cking downside on a suit whose whole purpose is to be fast/agile). If that's all it gets, there is very little reason to choose it over any other scout suit. Giving it some interesting role (like sabotaging vehicles for example) would give people a reason to look past its major shortcomings. What would be wrong with a 10%/level damage increase to remote explosives/proxi mines vs. vehicles in addition to a modest stamina bonus? Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2523	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote Why not give Amarr scouts the previous cloaking bonus? Stamina is just so vanilla. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 420	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:14:00 - [17] - Quote Amarr has the best stamina on the scout.... this is the most important stat on a scout and along with 2H 4L This suit will be a beast.... Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5599	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:16:00 - [18] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Amarr has the best stamina on the scout.... this is the most important stat on a scout and along with 2H 4L This suit will be a beast.... Most important stat is speed. Stamina is still important. Gallente scout also has 2H 4L. Also this thread has stated many times why increasing the stamina bonus on the suit that already has the most stamina would in fact not be over powered at all and easily countered. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 311	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:17:00 - [19] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Amarr has the best stamina on the scout.... this is the most important stat on a scout and along with 2H 4L This suit will be a beast.... Stamina is useless when you're the slowest. Amarr scout is the same speed than Minmatarr Assault.......
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5965	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:19:00 - [20] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Chances are Amarr Scout will get the highest Stamina and regen rate, As their Logi/Assault do.... So the bonus will certainly make an impact So many Amarr players moan over their lower speed while none pay attention to the fact that your stamina buff negates the speed penalty .... An Amarr suit can almost equal anyone elses travel time due to their higher stamina And we haven't seen the layouts so far.... so tough to make a call yet Edit: This bonus with a proto cardiac regulator is going to be epic Again that's not the point. That is our racial balancing inclination. Its like taking the speed from the Minmatar are saying "While all your friends are getting nice shiney new bikes you can have this ****** unicycle." We should not have to barter with the statistics that make the Amarr unique to have a fair and balanced bonus on par with the other racial groups. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 420	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:20:00 - [21] - Quote Your crazy...... Give a smart scout this suit layout and he will rock it Speed is useless without stamina so having the stamina bonus will be awesome with one or two Cardiac Regs this suit will clear 500m without stopping for breath With proto Amarr scout L5, Biotics L5, Cardiacs L5 this suit will easily hit 1000m and not have to stop Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5601	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:22:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Your crazy...... Give a smart scout this suit layout and he will rock it Speed is useless without stamina so having the stamina bonus will be awesome with one or two Cardiac Regs this suit will clear 500m without stopping for breath With proto Amarr scout L5, Biotics L5, Cardiacs L5 this suit will easily hit 1000m and not have to stop But it wouldn't have good scan precision, profile dampening, or hacking speed. Again, let me state this as clearly as possible about how this stamina bonus would be easily countered. When you add a complex cardiac regulator to a Caldari or Gallente suit, they can sprint for 42 seconds. When you add a complex cardiac regulator to a Minmatar suit, they can sprint for 44.1 seconds. This isn't really far off from 45 seconds, which the Amarr scout would have if the bonus was in line with a complex cardiac regulator. When you consider that these suits are faster, they would also travel more distance in this shorter time. And yes, it is fair that these suits would have to use a slot to achieve similar stamina performance, because an Amarr would also have to use a slot if it wanted to achieve similar profile dampening, scan precision, or hacking speed. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 423	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:30:00 - [23] - Quote Scouts are under-powered.... Its part of the parcel when wearing a Light suit As a scout myself I think the Amarr scout will be worth speccing into Caldari/Gallente will be the 'stealth' scouts Minmatar/Amarr will be 'combat' scouts I think they will make 4 fun and individual roles Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5603	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:32:00 - [24] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Scouts are under-powered.... Its part of the parcel when wearing a Light suit As a scout myself I think the Amarr scout will be worth speccing into Caldari/Gallente will be the 'stealth' scouts Minmatar/Amarr will be 'combat' scouts I think they will make 4 fun and individual roles But are you going to spec into it? Simply saying "It sounds good to me" is not a good argument, especially while everyone else is providing cold hard facts and numbers. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 423	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:34:00 - [25] - Quote I haven't seen exact layouts but I think I will give it a shot depending on whether or not Minja gets 2 equipment slots.... If it doesn't and the Amarr does, I will certainly spec into it Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4687	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:48:00 - [26] - Quote Assuming your Amarr Scout is level 5 and you fit a single Complex Cardiac Regulator 562 stamina / 100 stamina per second recovery. Basically that's 295 meters of marathon running with about 5 1/2 seconds of downtime. Kinda makes sense that they didn't give it a built in complex cardiac regulator otherwise you diminish the value of fitting them. Just my opinion. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 423	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:50:00 - [27] - Quote so you have over 100 more stamina then the others if they also used 1 complex reg... Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5965	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:51:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Assuming your Amarr Scout is level 5 and you fit a single Complex Cardiac Regulator 562 stamina / 100 stamina per second recovery. Basically that's 295 meters of marathon running with about 5 1/2 seconds of downtime. Kinda makes sense that they didn't give it a built in complex cardiac regulator otherwise you diminish the value of fitting them. Just my opinion. Is that not so with the other modules though? Lvl 5 Gallente would never need to fit a profile dampener for the most part, the Min would never need to fit a code breaker.... or consequently would for a 5.8 Sec hack which is very much so over powered. Why should 3/4 of scouts excel in scout based roles while one does not? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5965	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:53:00 - [29] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: so you have over 100 more stamina then the others if they also used 1 complex reg... We hace between 3- 0.9 sec more sprint time if we got our bonus and they got their complex Cardiac Regulator Much like the Min Scout gets a 25% faster hack, we also get this bonus if we stack a complex Code breaker. Much like the Gall Scout gets a 25% reduction to profile dampening, much like we get a 20% (I believe) if we fit a complex profile dampener. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 363	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:10:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Assuming your Amarr Scout is level 5 and you fit a single Complex Cardiac Regulator 562 stamina / 100 stamina per second recovery. Basically that's 295 meters of marathon running with about 5 1/2 seconds of downtime. Kinda makes sense that they didn't give it a built in complex cardiac regulator otherwise you diminish the value of fitting them. Just my opinion. Then all in all it is just a bad bonus to give the amarrian scout and they should choose a different one. There should be an equality in the effective modules benefited from the bonuses, and as it is the minmatar scout suit has 5 FREE MODULES and the amarr scout DOES EVEN HAVE ! FREE MODULE. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.



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